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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Oct 19, 2019 13:20:43 GMT -5
The fact that they're so happy to run insulting shit like this Shorty G nonsense is why they're in this state. Dress that gimmick up with all the inspirational bullshit you want, it's obvious that it's Vince trying to entertain himself at the expense of his talents and irritation of his audience.
I'm glad the rating went down and I hope it keeps going down. I don't want Vince to ever see another success for the rest of his career.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 19, 2019 13:32:03 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live?
This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did.
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Post by Fade on Oct 19, 2019 13:37:30 GMT -5
How low can you go? How low can you go?
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Post by spagett on Oct 19, 2019 13:40:57 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live? This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did. I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They're not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they've tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 13:46:52 GMT -5
The show just still isn't very good. Nakamura vs. Reigns was a good match, but like Abdullah said, there's no hook. The shiny new presentation is nice, but I could've skipped the last three weeks and felt like I didn't miss anything.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 19, 2019 13:56:07 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live? This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did. I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They’re not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they’ve tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. I’m watching with the hope that this is like Smackdown after 2018’s shakeup. The roster is somewhat similar and that hot streak also started out slow. We ended up with so many good episodes and fantastic promos. When I think of WWE trying, I think of them in 2016 after the draft. Or in 2018, after the shakeup. It’s not looking great so far. Especially with Brock and Cain looming around.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 19, 2019 14:15:43 GMT -5
Look, Lesnar is ratings death at this point. Putting the title on him in the way it went down angered virtually everyone who watched that show. But here's the thing about Crown Jewel. For all the talk about how the Saudi deal is morally dubious people forget just how horrid the TV is leading up to these shows and also how bad the PPVs are themselves. The minute WWE has any momentum coming out of WM, or going into the fall season with the Fox move and draft....here comes another Saudi show to kill any possible momentum. It was the TV before and after Crown Jewel last year that saw ratings crater horribly on Raw and that was another instance of putting the title on Lesnar and everyone tuning out.
For the life of me I can't think of a single match they can build to for either Raw or SD right now. Provided Rollins escapes The Fiend on the 31st what is he even going to do? Raw has no remotely decent challengers and no interesting feud on the horizon. SD with Lesnar has this Cain crap but after that it's just him and Reigns or Strowman for the umpteenth time. Even throwing NXT into the mix I have no earthly idea what they are even building to at this point. The talent there is ultra stale and they need to move guys to Raw/SD and start pushing some of the other talent.
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Post by spagett on Oct 19, 2019 15:09:28 GMT -5
Brock as the absentee World Champion with Roman as the lead babyface was a gigantic failure for Raw a couple of years ago.
Just re-doing it a few years later on Smackdown is destined to fail agan.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 19, 2019 15:38:29 GMT -5
The show just still isn't very good. Nakamura vs. Reigns was a good match, but like Abdullah said, there's no hook. The shiny new presentation is nice, but I could've skipped the last three weeks and felt like I didn't miss anything. But just like EVERY TIME they do the champion title match in TV against top fac.it just a lame DQ that set up something. Did it matter that Shinsuke lost by DQ? No,does it matter if it was a title match? Not at all
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Post by Dub H on Oct 19, 2019 15:41:58 GMT -5
I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They’re not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they’ve tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. I’m watching with the hope that this is like Smackdown after 2018’s shakeup. The roster is somewhat similar and that hot streak also started out slow. We ended up with so many good episodes and fantastic promos. When I think of WWE trying, I think of them in 2016 after the draft. Or in 2018, after the shakeup. It’s not looking great so far. Especially with Brock and Cain looming around. The roster isnt similar at all Smackdown 2016 had 0 top stars and forgotten mid carder. This show has corbin,bray , Brock , Cain, Roman, Bryan
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 15:43:41 GMT -5
lol they conned Fox so bad
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Post by Facetious on Oct 19, 2019 15:48:25 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live? This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did. I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They're not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they've tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. This is why they get so aggressively defensive when criticized because they genuinely don't understand why it's bad television.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Oct 19, 2019 15:53:43 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live? This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did. I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They're not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they've tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. I agree. There's no reason for them to "not try". It's not like they know how to magically bring in a couple more million viewers but they're like nah let's just keep losing people. They're just not very good. That weird video about the writing team tells you everything. They're people from non wrestling backgrounds who don't know anything about wrestling so once they've learned a few tired tropes they just repeat them over and over and over and over and over.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 19, 2019 16:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Oct 19, 2019 16:27:55 GMT -5
They had their doors open to new viewers and they provided them with the same redundant filet they’ve had for the past few years and surprisingly those people don’t want to watch either .
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Oct 19, 2019 16:28:18 GMT -5
They had their doors open to new viewers and they provided them with the same redundant filet they’ve had for the past few years and surprisingly those people don’t want to watch either .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:34:36 GMT -5
Both lower than the first hour of Raw was and than Last Man Standing was doing in the same time slot earlier this year, including in the key demo.
Fox bought a lemon.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 19, 2019 16:43:08 GMT -5
I’m watching with the hope that this is like Smackdown after 2018’s shakeup. The roster is somewhat similar and that hot streak also started out slow. We ended up with so many good episodes and fantastic promos. When I think of WWE trying, I think of them in 2016 after the draft. Or in 2018, after the shakeup. It’s not looking great so far. Especially with Brock and Cain looming around. The roster isnt similar at all Smackdown 2016 had 0 top stars and forgotten mid carder. This show has corbin,bray , Brock , Cain, Roman, Bryan I meant it’s somewhat similar to the roster in 2018, which I view on the whole as being as good as 2016. Only somewhat. The UFC dudes ruin it all, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:46:45 GMT -5
The roster isnt similar at all Smackdown 2016 had 0 top stars and forgotten mid carder. This show has corbin,bray , Brock , Cain, Roman, Bryan I meant it’s somewhat similar to the roster in 2018, which I view on the whole as being as good as 2016. Only somewhat. The UFC dudes ruin it all, though. Late 2016 was great and 2018 SD was also very good. I was enjoying 2019 SD up until the wildcard shit, but ever since then the show's gone donwhill. I was looking forward to the FOX move, but thus far it's just been more o the same.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Oct 19, 2019 16:47:23 GMT -5
The thing is: it’s the big move and they’re not trying?
Like, last night’s show wasn’t bad. But there’s no hook to it. There’s almost no storylines, no characters are really being defined. If I’m this casual viewer, why would I tune in live? This might be the stable number. Or they may, very likely, drop below 2 million. On USA, they almost did. I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They're not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they've tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. I believe they're trying, I don't believe they're trying "their hardest". Everything is still really lacking and weird and complacent, bringing on changes that are all superficial and shallow enough for them to avoid having to change the show in a way that addresses any of the real complaints about the show. No effort has been taken to actually listen to the criticisms of their product or to figure out what the problem is, everything is just a magic trick. Wildcard rule, announced and then delayed and misfired NXT call-ups, random unexpected NXT call-ups before the announced call-ups had debuted for random exhibition matches only for two of them to go back, 24/7 title, a new draft. It's pretty colours to try and make people clap along and keep staring, but the show remains the same where it counts. I don't believe they're really trying, I believe they're sticking random band-aids onto it that require little commitment or introspection.
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