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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:49:28 GMT -5
Next week's going to be a dud no matter what happens due to the FS1 move and World Series competition, but the week after should be interesting. Especially since WWE's going to be limited in its ability to really try to make the show a big deal given everybody's going to be exhausted from just flying back from Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 16:50:40 GMT -5
I used to think that explained why Raw and Smackdown were so awful. They're not trying. But I think they are, I think in 2019 especially they've tried countless schemes and ideas to improve ratings. I think this is them really trying. Which is even more worrying, because this is them trying their hardest and the product is still absolutely f***ing terrible. I believe they're trying, I don't believe they're trying "their hardest". Everything is still really lacking and weird and complacent, bringing on changes that are all superficial and shallow enough for them to avoid having to change the show in a way that addresses any of the real complaints about the show. No effort has been taken to actually listen to the criticisms of their product or to figure out what the problem is, everything is just a magic trick. Wildcard rule, announced and then delayed and misfired NXT call-ups, random unexpected NXT call-ups before the announced call-ups had debuted for random exhibition matches only for two of them to go back, 24/7 title, a new draft. It's pretty colours to try and make people clap along and keep staring, but the show remains the same where it counts. I don't believe they're really trying, I believe they're sticking random band-aids onto it that require little commitment or introspection. I think a good show that they aren't trying is how little these huge shakeups actually tend to last. Like, the third hour of Raw being grittier only lasted for two weeks before they just got bored of it, and for all the talk about how SmackDown on Fox was going to look radically different it looks the exact same as Raw but with a noticeably lower frame rate.
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Post by Abdullah on Oct 19, 2019 17:04:50 GMT -5
I believe they're trying, I don't believe they're trying "their hardest". Everything is still really lacking and weird and complacent, bringing on changes that are all superficial and shallow enough for them to avoid having to change the show in a way that addresses any of the real complaints about the show. No effort has been taken to actually listen to the criticisms of their product or to figure out what the problem is, everything is just a magic trick. Wildcard rule, announced and then delayed and misfired NXT call-ups, random unexpected NXT call-ups before the announced call-ups had debuted for random exhibition matches only for two of them to go back, 24/7 title, a new draft. It's pretty colours to try and make people clap along and keep staring, but the show remains the same where it counts. I don't believe they're really trying, I believe they're sticking random band-aids onto it that require little commitment or introspection. I think a good show that they aren't trying is how little these huge shakeups actually tend to last. Like, the third hour of Raw being grittier only lasted for two weeks before they just got bored of it, and for all the talk about how SmackDown on Fox was going to look radically different it looks the exact same as Raw but with a noticeably lower frame rate. Yeah. It’s weird that they were clearer signs of change in the aftermath of the 2016 draft. Lasted about a week on Raw, from an aesthetic standpoint, but it was there. I guess it’s true: because they have more money deals now than they did even a few years ago, they’re not really bothering to even make their important episodes stand out.
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Post by cabbageboy on Oct 19, 2019 17:17:30 GMT -5
Yeah the weird look of SD is hurting my eyes. I don't know if it is the frame rate, my new TV, or all the hideous lasers and strobe lights. But SD is easily the worst looking wrestling show on national TV.
But I digress. The baffling thing about Fox to me is that they apparently had no clue about what Raw's ratings have done over the last few years when they would put the title on Lesnar and he would run off for months on end. It didn't hurt as bad the first time in late 2014/early 2015, but at that point they had a freshly turned Rollins, a hot face Ambrose, Cena still there, etc. But it seemed like post WM last year when Lesnar beat Reigns yet again that people were just done with this guy being champ. And they keep....going....back....to....it. Does Fox not get that Lesnar does not show up on any sort of regular basis? These idiots were sold a bill of goods based on wanting Ronda Rousey (who isn't even there anymore, and was a ratings killer when she was) and Lesnar.
NXT on USA is a troubling thing for the shows that actually drive revenue and matter, Raw and SD. Now they are going to want to keep talent on NXT way too long, and not only will it make NXT stale but it'll also make the main shows even staler because WWE won't want to move talent off NXT to Raw or SD.
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Post by Perd on Oct 19, 2019 17:19:35 GMT -5
Whether they’re trying or not, the shows just aren’t good. What is there to make a casual fan want to come back? There’s no interesting feuds. There’s no interesting angles. Bray aside, the promos are mediocre and same-y. Match quality is fine, but the matches don’t mean anything. It’s all just really skippable. They need a huge overhaul. But the guy that cN make that happen, is 74, and ain’t got time for that. This is what main roster WWE is. And it’s what it’s going to be.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 18:19:59 GMT -5
If this show's viewership gets much smaller they're going to have to rename it Shorty SD.
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Post by theironyuppie on Oct 19, 2019 19:31:10 GMT -5
Interestingly Becky/Charlotte on Raw got 2.699 million, though obviously the show as a whole averaged less than SD.
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Post by Tenshigure on Oct 19, 2019 20:00:54 GMT -5
Whatever, I'm here for the Selleck posts.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 19, 2019 20:10:18 GMT -5
Whatever, I'm here for the Selleck posts. Does this count?
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Post by KofiMania on Oct 19, 2019 22:32:39 GMT -5
Next week's going to be a dud no matter what happens due to the FS1 move and World Series competition, but the week after should be interesting. Especially since WWE's going to be limited in its ability to really try to make the show a big deal given everybody's going to be exhausted from just flying back from Saudi Arabia. Could build a big match for that show with guys not on the Saudi show. Maybe something with Bryan.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 19, 2019 23:30:11 GMT -5
I assumed they were going to put a little more effort into making the show different. They haven't and they shouldn't be surprised if the number regresses to where it used to be.
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Post by dpg on Oct 20, 2019 3:36:28 GMT -5
WWE have no idea how to improve ratings. They use the blunt object of nostalgia talent and do nothing inbetween.
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Post by 111111 on Oct 20, 2019 4:21:07 GMT -5
What am I missing here?
They seem to be doing well in the demos that actually matter, It was the most watched show of the night with the 18-34 year olds, I thought that was more important than the overall number?
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Post by Starshine on Oct 20, 2019 4:46:16 GMT -5
What am I missing here?They seem to be doing well in the demos that actually matter, It was the most watched show of the night with the 18-34 year olds, I thought that was more important than the overall number? A billion dollars. No one invests that much money to get middling results like this. Fox wanted to kick-start Friday night as a big viewers night, and that's not happening. Fact is SmackDown came last compared to ABC, NBC and CBS shows in the same timeslots. Plus those top demos have also been falling significantly in the few weeks the show has been on (from 0.95 and 1.35 down to 0.55 and 0.75, respectively). None of this is good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 4:53:54 GMT -5
What am I missing here?They seem to be doing well in the demos that actually matter, It was the most watched show of the night with the 18-34 year olds, I thought that was more important than the overall number? A billion dollars. No one invests that much money to get middling results like this. Fox wanted to kick-start Friday night as a big viewers night, and that's not happening. Fact is SmackDown came last compared to ABC, NBC and CBS shows in the same timeslots. Plus those top demos have also been falling significantly in the few weeks the show has been on (from 0.95 and 1.35 down to 0.55 and 0.75, respectively). None of this is good. And the thing is, wrestling makes terrible ad revenue. WWE might be winning the 18-49, but guarantee the other shows in the timeslot are making more money.
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Post by dpg on Oct 20, 2019 5:01:03 GMT -5
The rating will keep dropping. Probably bottom out slightly above what it was before the move.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 20, 2019 10:10:38 GMT -5
Well according to Meltzer FOX still thinks Smackdown is a winning idea investment.
And that only when it drops to 1.7 it will start to worry.Believe that as much as you will,could just be FOX saying everything is fine
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 20, 2019 10:14:47 GMT -5
A billion dollars. No one invests that much money to get middling results like this. Fox wanted to kick-start Friday night as a big viewers night, and that's not happening. Fact is SmackDown came last compared to ABC, NBC and CBS shows in the same timeslots. Plus those top demos have also been falling significantly in the few weeks the show has been on (from 0.95 and 1.35 down to 0.55 and 0.75, respectively). None of this is good. And the thing is, wrestling makes terrible ad revenue. WWE might be winning the 18-49, but guarantee the other shows in the timeslot are making more money. Is that still a thing? I know it was for years even with the attitude eras high ratings but has WWE going mostly pg/pg 13 changed that any? And the reason Fox wanted them so bad was the dvr proof concept. Does that help ad rates any with that new paradigm?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 11:55:38 GMT -5
Next week WWE releases a press release: WWE IS PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THE RELEASE OF BRUCE PRICHARD IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT.THE END. No chance, considering just where his head is and how hard it would be to remove it from there. Vince was able to remove JR’s head from his own ass on live tv.He can do anything except book a decent wrestling show.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 20, 2019 13:06:00 GMT -5
Well according to Meltzer FOX still thinks Smackdown is a winning idea investment. And that only when it drops to 1.7 it will start to worry.Believe that as much as you will,could just be FOX saying everything is fine I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Fox said something like that, but I can't say I really believe it, not unless there's a proportional viewership drop across all networks. I buy the idea that SD remaining a couple clicks below 2.5 million isn't the end of the world, necessarily, but I highly doubt it's something Fox would be very pleased by. Not all that long ago the buzz was that Fox wanted the show to draw 5 million viewers; then suddenly it was "they'll be alright with around three and a half million"; then it was "better than what they were doing on USA"; now it's "worry if it gets to 1.7 million"; I'm guessing there's a difference, as in 1.7 million is probably more a doomsday scenario and there's a nice gap between "disappointing" and "catastrophe", but still, it's weird. Again, a lot of this comes back to the fact that Fox is spending $200 million a year on this; the good numbers in the key demo relative to the other networks are nice, as is the fact that SD gives them 52 episodes a year and now just a 13-22 episode season, but we still don't know how advertisers view and value wrestling audiences, how much more or less costly some of what Fox had on there before is to produce compared to WWE, or how Fox might factor in that they don't own the show or have anything like syndication rights to gain from it.
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