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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 7, 2019 5:36:34 GMT -5
I compare Vince to Gene Roddenberry. A great visionary, but a crap storyteller. Look back at the original Star Trek. Gene's idea, but much of the creative work we loved was by guys like Gene Coon. Vince meanwhile had guys like Pat Patterson to make him look great. Gene had Star Trek TNG Season 1 and 2 to show what things looks like when he had total control, and Vince has the WWE now.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 7, 2019 18:33:20 GMT -5
There will be two distinct groups, with not much middle ground.
First group reveres Vince the way comic fans revere Stan Lee. This group is comprised by those dudes who do the bowing during Vince's entrances.
Second group remember him as a carny scumbag who built an empire on the talent of better folks. This group is comprised of just about everyone else.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Nov 8, 2019 10:27:55 GMT -5
I'm sure he'll be subject to a state funeral if the inevitable happens while his friend is the President.
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Post by sokratesschmitt on Nov 8, 2019 13:57:36 GMT -5
"Isn't he the one this movie is based on that killed Bradley Coopers career?"
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 8, 2019 14:13:16 GMT -5
I doubt that WWE will make an angle out of his death, which as the King of Carnies, he would have wanted.
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Post by joeiscool on Nov 8, 2019 17:37:49 GMT -5
Honestly, the best/most successful wrestling promoter of all time.
Anything short of that is just smarks being smarks
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 8, 2019 18:05:10 GMT -5
As probably the most significant figure in wrestling history and as Foley said, a cross between satan and a hell of a guy.
Plus you can't libel a dead guy so I think we will find out he is a lot worse than we know.
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Post by northernmonkey on Nov 8, 2019 19:33:52 GMT -5
His ASS
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 8, 2019 22:25:19 GMT -5
He is PT Barnum for both good and ill.
Death tends to let people gloss over any flaws, so memory wise it's largely going to be sunshine and rainbows.
The persona of Vince McMahon is what will get promoted moreso than the man.
Lots of people will go full Gerald Brisco circa Monday Night Wars DVD.
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Post by koreycaskets on Nov 9, 2019 1:09:00 GMT -5
He will be remembered as MR.McMAHON DAMMIT!
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Post by segaz on Nov 9, 2019 3:26:41 GMT -5
No one man is more responsible for anyone here being a wrestling fan than Vince McMahon. Yes he's lost his way and the product has stunk for years but I do find the way people talk of him as fairly disrespectful. Think what you like of the modern product his legacy is phenomenal and his impact over this form of 'entertainment' will never be rivalled after him. It's like if the Beatles had never broken up but just gradually declined in music quality. Their hypothetical crap 1989 album wouldn't be what they were remembered for, it'd be their pioneering stuff in the 60s that changed the landscape of popular music forever. Same with Vince. He isn't just at the top of he's field, he designed the field, paid the guy who planted the turf and asked him to mow a pattern of his own penis and testicles in it. I hate the current product with a passion but anyone arguing that Vince will be remembered as anything less than an absolute God of the industry in years to come, is way off the mark. He's our Walt Disney. Our Elvis. Spielberg. Nobody looks back and say "All things considered, Dumbo was crap, Elvis got fat and Hook was a piece of shit, therefore all those people ain't as good as some think". He'll be remembered for taking wrestling national, Hulkamania, the Attitude era and being a pop culture icon. You can create a great product that entertains and inspires millions, and still do some quite nasty things. Thing is, a lot of his absolute derogatory stuff involve him looking the other way rather than being directly involved, so there will always be the tendency for many to look up to Vince as a father. Well, unless you actually worked for him of course, then you might be able to honestly admit not just that he wasn't perfect, not just that he made a mistake or two, but that he actually is not a nice person. But then again, who needs to be nice jn business? And by all accounts, he has helped a lot of people. Does that excuse his scumminess? For some, yes.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 9, 2019 5:44:21 GMT -5
It depends, are we talking people that actually know him or are we talking in like 50 years? After a lot of time passes he's going to be remembered very fondly, he'll probably be remembered as the king of pro wrestling and you'll have people discussing how the business wasn't the same after he died, etc etc. I think this part is being glossed over. There's already a huge sentiment of nostalgia specifically regarding the 80s and 90s style of wrestling. Now, imagine when Vince dies, and Triple H and Stephanie become the most recognizable figures in WWE management, and they start changing Raw and Smackdown to become more like NXT in a structural sense and enact changes that the fans have differentiating opinions on, especially ones that might be watching wrestling for the first time in decades as a result of Vince's passing. You're definitely going to have people not liking the smaller guys taking over Wrestlemania main event slots in longer matches, preferring larger than life superstars who got over on character work. And I expect Vince to become an avatar for his nostalgia. Granted, these arguments have been here for a while, but Vince's hypothetical passing would definitely result in polarizing the product even further, depending on what creative changes happen in the months and years after he leaves.
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Post by Nosnorb on Nov 9, 2019 6:05:45 GMT -5
It's how he would want to be remembered.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Nov 9, 2019 11:15:55 GMT -5
As one of the best heels ever from 97 to about 2000
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Nov 10, 2019 18:46:14 GMT -5
Honestly, the best/most successful wrestling promoter of all time. Anything short of that is just smarks being smarks Most successful perhaps, but "best" is somewhat debatable and would depend on how you define it. He sold a lot of tickets, but that's like saying Come On Over by Shania Twain or the soundtrack to The Bodyguard are two of the "best" albums ever made because they sold a lot of copies. They patently aren't.
And you are a smark too.
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Post by Dang! on Nov 10, 2019 21:11:10 GMT -5
He will be remembered as the creator of wrestling. The man that turned an ugly word like wrestling into sports entertainment. The man to take sports entertainment out from the rank, smoke filled bingo halls to gigantic stadiums. And the genius to bring it all to households of millions watching worldwide. His naysayers will perish in the wind but his legend will live on forever... In a giant marble statue... That's how you'll remember him. Cause he'll have a pyramid sized statue constructed somewhere. It's what I would do if I were him Make like a tree and f*** off, Corey!
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Nov 10, 2019 23:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by BRV on Nov 11, 2019 0:15:29 GMT -5
It's all about the first sentence in his obituary. Beyond that, a lot of it will be forgotten in the mainstream consciousness. I could read it as something like:
"Vince McMahon, the wrestling promoter and tycoon who transformed professional wrestling into sports entertainment and the magnate whose World Wrestling Entertainment rose out of the territorial system into an international powerhouse, thanks in large part to the advent of cable television, the first 'WrestleMania' event, and cross-promotion with the burgeoning Music Television, but who would later face his share of criticisms including a steroid trial in the early 1990s, the death of Owen Hart in 1999, and the murder-suicide involving Chris Benoit in 2007, died..."
All the allegations about union squashing, stealing competitors' ideas and/or wrestlers, partnerships with Saudi Arabia, and the seedy rumors found in the darkest corners of the Internet will be relegated to later paragraphs and, in time, forgotten to history. What Vince McMahon will be remembered for is growing professional wrestling out of smoky arenas and armories and into arenas and stadiums, having the foresight to get out ahead of the cable TV revolution before his competitors could - thus giving him a leg up in the inevitable death of the territorial era, and making "WrestleMania" a household term, but later facing challenges with the steroid trial, the response to Owen Hart's death, and the Chris Benoit murder-suicide - which were the three single biggest newsmakers of his tenure atop WWF/WWE in the 1990s and 2000s.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Nov 11, 2019 8:23:45 GMT -5
With Randy Orton driving the hearse through the Smackdown sign while being chased by Shane O'Mac and Shorty G
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 11, 2019 15:10:03 GMT -5
Considering all the stuff that Vince has done in recent years, how will he be remembered by the wrestling world when he passes on? Created 3 wrestling booms Making billion dollar deals Creating megAstars from hogan to austin to rock to cena to ambrose Like honestly without vince the current "boom" and all the others do not happen
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