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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 1:04:10 GMT -5
Jericho remains the champion, and he's killing it, but we've got a problem now. He faces Tanahashi at Wrestle Kingdom, and I'm sure it's going to be a great match, but what happens?
If NJPW puts Jericho over in the match, aces, sure, but will they?
And if Jericho loses, that's an awful look. Okada, Naito, and then Tanahashi all having beat him is not a good thing when you're presenting Jericho as this untouchable world beater in AEW, since yeah, it's not like his credibility is taking that much of a hit, but it's AEW's first champion, and the message becomes, "Jericho's good, but REAL main eventers can beat him. AEW guys just aren't on that level". It doesn't help Okada's match with him was such a letdown because Okada had exactly zero interest in deviating from the same formula he relies on as a general rule. I'm sure Tanahashi's more versatile than that, but it's... concerning.
Jericho signed with NJPW before AEW was a thing, and he makes 100K per match for them. I do not begrudge him doing the match, and I know NJPW doesn't owe AEW anything, much less making their champion look good. Still, it's going to blow if Jericho embarrasses the company. It's not going to be "Hulk Hogan calls the WWF title a children's toy to put over the IWGP title", but this has the potential to be a debacle all the same.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Nov 10, 2019 1:17:16 GMT -5
In an ideal world Jericho would lose to Tanahasi in Tokyo and then go over him in a brief two week title program on Dynamite. That won't ever happen. So the best we can hope for is that Jericho beats Tanahasi to keep him as a threat and then loses to someone like Ibushi after he drops the AEW belt in the new year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 1:18:34 GMT -5
Honestly when it comes to one wrestling company I don't really see much reason to care about how events in another affect it. Same reason I thought PAC being concerned about losing was totally stupid.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 10, 2019 1:24:47 GMT -5
Honestly when it comes to one wrestling company I don't really see much reason to care about how events in another affect it. Same reason I thought PAC being concerned about losing was totally stupid. I agree with this. There is no working relationship with New Japan, so anything they would conceivably do with Jericho isn't really going to affect his overness overseas. It's not like they are jobbing him to Captain New Japan in five minutes. Jericho eating a clean loss to a borderline living legend like Tanahashi isn't going to hurt his profile in another universe.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 1:28:41 GMT -5
Honestly when it comes to one wrestling company I don't really see much reason to care about how events in another affect it. Same reason I thought PAC being concerned about losing was totally stupid. I agree with this. There is no working relationship with New Japan, so anything they would conceivably do with Jericho isn't really going to affect his overness overseas. It's not like they are jobbing him to Captain New Japan in five minutes. Jericho eating a clean loss to a borderline living legend like Tanahashi isn't going to hurt his profile in another universe. Jericho's profile is fine. The profile of the company, ehh, that's trickier, especially since so many of them came from NJPW to begin with. You really don't want to invite the perception this is the bastard child, not when you're trying to build prestige.
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Post by mystermystery on Nov 10, 2019 1:34:43 GMT -5
Well, Jericho has morphed his character into heavily leaning on outside interference and basic Inner Circle stuff in order to maintain control of the AEW title.
Just recently: He needed Jake Hager in order to beat a no-handed Darby Allin.
He made Sammy keep wrestling until there was the briefest of advantages for Jericho to take.
He had Hager's help tonight and won after MJF threw in the towel when Cody seemed dedicated to die rather than tap.
So, losing cleanly to Tanahashi could easily serve to prove Cody's "You need the younger guys more than they need you," super promo point.
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Post by Some Guy on Nov 10, 2019 2:03:39 GMT -5
It's Tanahashi. Jericho losing to him in a non-title match is not even close to a big deal or hurting his credibility.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 2:13:40 GMT -5
It's Tanahashi. Jericho losing to him in a non-title match is not even close to a big deal or hurting his credibility. If it was just him, I'd agree with you, but he has the AEW title. His own credibility is a secondary concern at best when he is representing an entire company, which is the point I am making. His loss to Okada was fine because it was him getting rolled up when he was heading towards the All Out title match, but he was still not actually champion. He's Chris Jericho, he's a multi-time world champion. That's not him putting an asterisk next to any presentation of "can anyone beat Jericho for his title?". The answer shouldn't be an immediate, "Tanahashi, quite handily. What's AEW's excuse?"
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 2:31:03 GMT -5
If you are a champion of a company, especially this new one in AEW, you really shouldn't be losing
Fans are too smart now to try to throw a curveball at them in trying to hand wave it. Don't get me wrong, Jericho should lose to Tana but I can't blame him if he goes to NJPW like I have to play hardball because i'm the face of the company in America and I really shouldn't be losing
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 2:32:20 GMT -5
It's Tanahashi. Jericho losing to him in a non-title match is not even close to a big deal or hurting his credibility. If it was just him, I'd agree with you, but he has the AEW title. His own credibility is a secondary concern at best when he is representing an entire company, which is the point I am making. His loss to Okada was fine because it was him getting rolled up when he was heading towards the All Out title match, but he was still not actually champion. He's Chris Jericho, he's a multi-time world champion. That's not him putting an asterisk next to any presentation of "can anyone beat Jericho for his title?". The answer shouldn't be an immediate, "Tanahashi, quite handily. What's AEW's excuse?" Yes, Jericho without question should lose a convincing match to Tana whether he is champ or not However, with him losing as champ whether people realize it or not, it hurts AEW to an extent.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 10, 2019 8:04:58 GMT -5
Yeah it’s hard to say given this is Tanahashi we’re talking about, but I see Y2J going over at WK, especially if he has more dates with NJPW planned after this. If they like the ticket sales then I can see them pushing for a rematch a la Naito last year when he got his win over Jericho back.
And Tana is still a slightly de-powered ace against Okada’s rise, so it makes sense on paper to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:46:03 GMT -5
If you are a champion of a company, especially this new one in AEW, you really shouldn't be losing Fans are too smart now to try to throw a curveball at them in trying to hand wave it. Don't get me wrong, Jericho should lose to Tana but I can't blame him if he goes to NJPW like I have to play hardball because i'm the face of the company in America and I really shouldn't be losing I mean, by the same token, though, if you're one of the smart fans that's watching both AEW and NJPW, you already know it's a work. I get what you're saying, though. I feel like New Japan has taken so many L's on the talent front lately that they're not going to care about Jericho's AEW belt in the slightest.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Nov 10, 2019 9:49:05 GMT -5
Jericho could lose the title before then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 9:51:42 GMT -5
It’s pretty simple, you don’t acknowledge the loss on tv. The two companies don’t have a working relationship, so just ignore it and move on.
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Post by chrom on Nov 10, 2019 10:42:24 GMT -5
We don't know if Jericho will be champ by WK
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Post by sunnytaker on Nov 10, 2019 12:30:07 GMT -5
could also do it where whoever tanahashi is feuding with at the time interferes and costs him the match. Jericho "wins" to preserve the honor of AEW while leaving people with the impression that the Ace was going to put him down until X interfered. now Tana has extra reason to go after X- they could even tease that if tanahashi won he'd get an AEW title match (first ever to hold NJPW IC/NJPW world/AEW worldchamp) but X just ruined that for him.
sounds like a jay white kinda move.
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Post by nickcave on Nov 10, 2019 14:00:12 GMT -5
I honestly thought Cody was going to win for this very reason, we'll see what happens.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 10, 2019 14:16:54 GMT -5
If you are a champion of a company, especially this new one in AEW, you really shouldn't be losing Fans are too smart now to try to throw a curveball at them in trying to hand wave it. Don't get me wrong, Jericho should lose to Tana but I can't blame him if he goes to NJPW like I have to play hardball because i'm the face of the company in America and I really shouldn't be losing I mean, by the same token, though, if you're one of the smart fans that's watching both AEW and NJPW, you already know it's a work. I get what you're saying, though. I feel like New Japan has taken so many L's on the talent front lately that they're not going to care about Jericho's AEW belt in the slightest. Yea but smart fans know it's a work but want to keep shit in kayfabe, it is a weird mix lol And yeah I doubt they care about the AEW title. As I said they will probably act like it doesn't exist as Jericho will not have it. Jericho will just be the "painmaker" or whatever silly name he decides to use to rhyme with Ace Jericho in himself will try to push in the back for sure in terms of him losing. At best he's going to get a hard fought defeat but he's losing to the Ace especially since I can't see NJPW really using Jericho that much moving forward
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 10, 2019 14:19:05 GMT -5
I guess you could call it the Y2WK problem.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 10, 2019 17:58:15 GMT -5
could also do it where whoever tanahashi is feuding with at the time interferes and costs him the match. Jericho "wins" to preserve the honor of AEW while leaving people with the impression that the Ace was going to put him down until X interfered. now Tana has extra reason to go after X- they could even tease that if tanahashi won he'd get an AEW title match (first ever to hold NJPW IC/NJPW world/AEW worldchamp) but X just ruined that for him. sounds like a jay white kinda move. Jay's got enough on his plate for WK, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone else would cheat, no.
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