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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 14:48:41 GMT -5
He wrestled a 9 Year Old. Basically that.In Cornette's eye Omega disgraced the business forever And don't forget that even though that match happened like a decade ago, no amount of off the charts six star matches can ever make up for it. I want to state that I'm not a "Cornette hater" but sometimes I wish people would hold his Tuxedo Match against Paul Heyman against him in the same way.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 14:50:31 GMT -5
Cornette has done tons of whacky shit. But for some reason he is above criticism
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Nov 14, 2019 15:25:26 GMT -5
Just a random thought... who is Cornette's favorite wrestler that is still active? I feel like the list of people he hates is nearly all encompassing.I don't think I've ever heard "Jim Cornette says he's likes *this wrestler*" He's still really high on Rollins; it's the same style he criticizes the Bucks and Omega for, but Rollins was on top in RoH when they were paying Cornette, so he praised him to high heaven at the time as the future of the business. Now that he's a top name in WWE, Cornette can harp on Rollins as proof that he's still with it and it's the children who are wrong about AEW. Ah, so it's whiny bitches of a feather then
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Post by Celgress on Nov 14, 2019 15:59:32 GMT -5
Complaining about someone being ruined forever by wrestling a 9 year old in a comedy promotion is like hating Bryan Cranston in Breaking Bad because he once played a dork on Malcom in the Middle The best summation of the baselessness of Corny's problem with Omega I've yet read, or at least what Corny cites as the reason he hates Kenny which we all know is BS (the real reason being Omega's ROH blowoff).
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Post by petef3 on Nov 14, 2019 18:42:39 GMT -5
That analogy doesn't really hold. From Cornette's POV it'd be more like if Cranston broke character while doing a stage play or live show. It'd be like if Cornette was Lorne Michaels and Omega was somebody like Milton Berle or Louise Lasser. There's plenty to criticize about Lorne Michaels but I don't know too many people who hold those SNL "banishments" against him.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 19:27:13 GMT -5
Also, questionable as comments about Bea might be, she is in a relationship with Ospreay. People can infer questionable things from it and that's not great, but it's still a huge level past that to like, claim two people who aren't publicly in a relationship are and that the only reason someone is where they are is through fulfilling the "Asian schoolgirl fetish" of a man she isn't romantically linked to. Like that's an entirely different messed up level. Doesn't Cornette denigrate a lot of joshi workers in the US as fulfilling an Asian Schoolgirl fetish? I think he said similar remarks about Kairi Sane and Io Shirai. That is racist bullshit and i cannot ever support cornette for his backwards mindset. Ethnicities are not gimmicks
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 19:29:18 GMT -5
The thing is, Cornette genuinely believes that there was ever a time(at least in his wrestling lifetime) where the fans didn't know wrestling was fake. The truth is though, most people long knew it was all fixed before it was officially admitted. Only a tiny tiny percentage of people even in his heyday actually believed it was legitimate competition. Dude spent too much time in the south. Like hills have eyes south. Like lobster kid south. Like momma and daddy were brother and mother type of south
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Post by petef3 on Nov 14, 2019 19:32:54 GMT -5
Doesn't Cornette denigrate a lot of joshi workers in the US as fulfilling an Asian Schoolgirl fetish? I think he said similar remarks about Kairi Sane and Io Shirai. That is racist bullshit and i cannot ever support cornette for his backwards mindset. Ethnicities are not gimmicks Can we get an exact quote from a specific podcast or interview first? And sorry, but for decades upon decades, yes, ethnicities absolutely 100% were gimmicks. The WWWF was built on that. And in many ways still is. What's Jinder Mahal's gimmick other than his ethnicity?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 14, 2019 19:46:07 GMT -5
The thing is, Cornette genuinely believes that there was ever a time(at least in his wrestling lifetime) where the fans didn't know wrestling was fake. The truth is though, most people long knew it was all fixed before it was officially admitted. Only a tiny tiny percentage of people even in his heyday actually believed it was legitimate competition. Dude spent too much time in the south. Like hills have eyes south. Like lobster kid south. Like momma and daddy were brother and mother type of south Man, we never got to see that Strange Kentucky People video that Jericho hyped up in his autobiography.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 19:52:06 GMT -5
That is racist bullshit and i cannot ever support cornette for his backwards mindset. Ethnicities are not gimmicks Can we get an exact quote from a specific podcast or interview first? And sorry, but for decades upon decades, yes, ethnicities absolutely 100% were gimmicks. The WWWF was built on that. And in many ways still is. What's Jinder Mahal's gimmick other than his ethnicity? That is bullshit. R A C I S T Bullshit
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Nov 14, 2019 20:11:22 GMT -5
Also, questionable as comments about Bea might be, she is in a relationship with Ospreay. People can infer questionable things from it and that's not great, but it's still a huge level past that to like, claim two people who aren't publicly in a relationship are and that the only reason someone is where they are is through fulfilling the "Asian schoolgirl fetish" of a man she isn't romantically linked to. Like that's an entirely different messed up level. Doesn't Cornette denigrate a lot of joshi workers in the US as fulfilling an Asian Schoolgirl fetish? I think he said similar remarks about Kairi Sane and Io Shirai. I didn't know that there was a worse person to hear talk about Asian women than JR but this has been enlightening
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Post by Nickybojelais on Nov 14, 2019 20:48:57 GMT -5
The thing is, Cornette genuinely believes that there was ever a time(at least in his wrestling lifetime) where the fans didn't know wrestling was fake. The truth is though, most people long knew it was all fixed before it was officially admitted. Only a tiny tiny percentage of people even in his heyday actually believed it was legitimate competition. Dude spent too much time in the south. Like hills have eyes south. Like lobster kid south. Like momma and daddy were brother and mother type of south Fighting harmful, lazy and outdated stereotypes with even more harmful, lazy outdated stereotypes is not a great look.
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Post by ogreknee on Nov 14, 2019 20:51:02 GMT -5
Dude spent too much time in the south. Like hills have eyes south. Like lobster kid south. Like momma and daddy were brother and mother type of south Fighting harmful, lazy and outdated stereotypes with even more harmful, lazy outdated stereotypes is not a great look. This is from chris jericho's book. Confirmed by lance storm. And by pretty much everybody who worked smokey mountain.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 14, 2019 20:55:32 GMT -5
That analogy doesn't really hold. From Cornette's POV it'd be more like if Cranston broke character while doing a stage play or live show. It'd be like if Cornette was Lorne Michaels and Omega was somebody like Milton Berle or Louise Lasser. There's plenty to criticize about Lorne Michaels but I don't know too many people who hold those SNL "banishments" against him. No, your analogy is the one that doesn't hold, because Omega did those comedy matches in-character. He was 100% committed to the story of the match and of the promotion, which treated a child and a blow-up doll as legitimate threats of some sort because it was a comedy promotion where a ladder is a multiple-time champion. There was no breaking of kayfabe in those matches; they were presented to an audience who knew it wasn't a real fight, but the matches themselves retained the narrative consistency they were going for. I don't know if you actually watched the match in question, but it's not at all like someone breaking character.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 14, 2019 20:59:25 GMT -5
Doesn't Cornette denigrate a lot of joshi workers in the US as fulfilling an Asian Schoolgirl fetish? I think he said similar remarks about Kairi Sane and Io Shirai. I didn't know that there was a worse person to hear talk about Asian women than JR but this has been enlightening I wish I knew which week it was he claimed to skip over an Io Shirai match on NXT over this reasoning. Like, of all the Asian women he could invoked that over, it's the one who is the absolute least like that on TV.
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Post by petef3 on Nov 14, 2019 21:26:04 GMT -5
Still looking for an exact quote of Cornette's re: the joshi workers. I'm not even saying he didn't say it, but "I heard..." or asking, "Didn't he say...?" is not good enough.
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Post by petef3 on Nov 14, 2019 21:27:27 GMT -5
Can we get an exact quote from a specific podcast or interview first? And sorry, but for decades upon decades, yes, ethnicities absolutely 100% were gimmicks. The WWWF was built on that. And in many ways still is. What's Jinder Mahal's gimmick other than his ethnicity? That is bullshit. R A C I S T Bullshit No, it's absolutely not "bullshit." You can like or dislike the fact, but it doesn't change that it is indeed a fact. I did no editorializing one way or the other on whether or not any of that was good (or bad). But ethnicities as a gimmick has long been a thing across any and all forms of pro wrestling across all countries.
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Post by warden on Nov 14, 2019 21:30:34 GMT -5
Why does corny hate kenny olivier?
Sometimes a dude just hates another dude
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2019 21:57:43 GMT -5
Still looking for an exact quote of Cornette's re: the joshi workers. I'm not even saying he didn't say it, but "I heard..." or asking, "Didn't he say...?" is not good enough. Since i`m trying to not get too involved,I won`t argue anything,just give the sources. On the review of the first episode of Dynamite (for Nyla vs Riho) he calls Riho a "98 pound Japanese schoolgirl" and it he says the only logical explanation is Kenny and Riho are banging Some of the episodes he says that shit(which I won`t click because I won`t give the view ).And I also do not endorse anyone clicking them,but they are the source He also skipped a NXT match because he had enough of "schoolgirls"
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Post by Dub H on Nov 14, 2019 22:02:44 GMT -5
Also about Cornette faking Omega's Story of ditching ROH with a fake injury(taken from reddit)
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