Burst
El Dandy
*inarticulate squawking*
Posts: 8,592
|
Post by Burst on Nov 17, 2019 17:38:58 GMT -5
Man, we never got to see that Strange Kentucky People video that Jericho hyped up in his autobiography. That videos doesn't exist. I started tape trading in the mid 90s and know lots of long time tape traders. No one had ever heard of that tape until Jericho's book. The same book where Chris claims it was a tape trading hit. That, and it surely would've been leaked or made it onto YouTube at SOME point if it was indeed a tape trading hit. If it exists at all I have a feeling it might have just been one tape circulated among the SMW workers. I recall Jericho saying at some point he had the master copy but wouldn't post it out of respect for the folks involved, which obviously could be BS but could also be true, who knows.
|
|
|
Post by ogreknee on Nov 17, 2019 18:20:54 GMT -5
Being an ethnicity is not a gimmick. Especially in 2019 You are very much not understanding what is being said. For decades - DECADES - most territories treated being black as the gimmick of most African-American workers. That's why there was rarely more than one black face and/or one black heel on their roster. Is/Was it racist? You bet your ass it was and is. But the absolute fact is that it was how wrestlers of color were treated for literally decades. Promotions didn't bother with giving them gimmicks, because to the promoters, that WAS their gimmick. And in 2019 it is bullshit. You know your other post made me look at wrestling being toxic and how pro wrestling lets scum like lawler, hogan, flair, and just keep getting kept relevant. The worst is how children in joshi are bread into sex idols. Like i have this sick feeling after rewatching gaea girls about what possible abuse riho had to go through. How she was 9 and is now 21. Or how much f***ed up shit rey mysterio and juvi saw at 13 traveling tijuana. Or even the apartment wrestling seth rollins and adam cole did. Or the gross sexualization of everyone in wwe. You are right pro wrestling is a f***ing cesspool of shit.
|
|
Ultimo Gallos
Grimlock
Dreams SUCK!Nightmares live FOREVER!
Posts: 14,455
|
Post by Ultimo Gallos on Nov 18, 2019 12:51:44 GMT -5
That videos doesn't exist. I started tape trading in the mid 90s and know lots of long time tape traders. No one had ever heard of that tape until Jericho's book. The same book where Chris claims it was a tape trading hit. That, and it surely would've been leaked or made it onto YouTube at SOME point if it was indeed a tape trading hit. If it exists at all I have a feeling it might have just been one tape circulated among the SMW workers. I recall Jericho saying at some point he had the master copy but wouldn't post it out of respect for the folks involved, which obviously could be BS but could also be true, who knows. If it existed people would have heard about it before Jericho's book. And so far no one has claimed to know about it before the book came out. I don't doubt that wrestlers in the south have gotten odd videos from fans. I have seen some odd things happen at tiny indy shows. Like the mother and daughter who have a few times asked a wrestler to "get in the back of the truck and have some fun with us". This has happened at least 4 times locally in the past 3 years. Which is why now all the wrestlers park in the back.
|
|
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 18, 2019 13:29:59 GMT -5
What an angry, bitter, racist soul.
Peace to you, Jimmy. Get some help.
Don't think I can watch Powerrr while this guy is doing this clickbait shtick for pennies.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 13:37:01 GMT -5
The only reason I don't watch NWA is because of this prick. Shame really as I'd like to check it out.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 18, 2019 13:42:07 GMT -5
What an angry, bitter, racist soul. Peace to you, Jimmy. Get some help. Don't think I can watch Powerrr while this guy is doing this clickbait shtick for pennies. He's done so much damage to himself that even if he tried to claim that this all was a personality to garner money, the main question people will ask is why the hell you want to be so ugly to get some money Nothing he can say can ever really help him dig that whole he made for himself
|
|
Lupin the Third
Patti Mayonnaise
I'm sorry.....I love you. *boot to the head*--3rd most culpable in the jixing of NXT, D'oh!
Join the Dark Order....
Posts: 36,332
|
Post by Lupin the Third on Nov 18, 2019 13:46:26 GMT -5
What an angry, bitter, racist soul. Peace to you, Jimmy. Get some help. Don't think I can watch Powerrr while this guy is doing this clickbait shtick for pennies. He's done so much damage to himself that even if he tried to claim that this all was a personality to garner money, the main question people will ask is why the hell you want to be so ugly to get some money Nothing he can say can ever really help him dig that whole he made for himself Brian Last: "No no no, dig up, stupid." *Jim beats him to death with shovel.*
|
|
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 18, 2019 13:48:46 GMT -5
What an angry, bitter, racist soul. Peace to you, Jimmy. Get some help. Don't think I can watch Powerrr while this guy is doing this clickbait shtick for pennies. He's done so much damage to himself that even if he tried to claim that this all was a personality to garner money, the main question people will ask is why the hell you want to be so ugly to get some money Nothing he can say can ever really help him dig that whole he made for himself What's so sad is he's very good at calling wrestling and he CAN be very entertaining. But this character he's playing, or personality that he's leaned so far into, is so bad. I just can't watch the guy. I want nothing to do with Lars Sullivan and I'll actively take the time to point out that he's no good. I can't be hypocritical and give Jim Cornette a pass just because he has more value in the wrestling world than Lars does. Jim has to go away, for a very long time, forever maybe. I really like NWA Powerrr, but I've got a limit, and he's crossed it.
|
|
|
Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 18, 2019 13:53:13 GMT -5
He's done so much damage to himself that even if he tried to claim that this all was a personality to garner money, the main question people will ask is why the hell you want to be so ugly to get some money Nothing he can say can ever really help him dig that whole he made for himself What's so sad is he's very good at calling wrestling and he CAN be very entertaining. But this character he's playing, or personality that he's leaned so far into, is so bad. I just can't watch the guy. I want nothing to do with Lars Sullivan and I'll actively take the time to point out that he's no good. I can't be hypocritical and give Jim Cornette a pass just because he has more value in the wrestling world than Lars does. Jim has to go away, for a very long time, forever maybe. I really like NWA Powerrr, but I've got a limit, and he's crossed it. The damage is done and this will follow him for a long time. For a guy with his mind, he just somehow doesn't get this shit isn't cool as a character but imo i've always said his "character" and the real life guy weren't too far apart and now he's blended that enough to the point it is f*** this dude levels The sad thing is he admits to this stuff and yet he still has a job and supporters. Billy is doing bad by just keeping him on or not even saying anything towards these things he says. It shouldn't be a ho hum response, that's just Jim he's like that
|
|
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 18, 2019 13:55:06 GMT -5
What's so sad is he's very good at calling wrestling and he CAN be very entertaining. But this character he's playing, or personality that he's leaned so far into, is so bad. I just can't watch the guy. I want nothing to do with Lars Sullivan and I'll actively take the time to point out that he's no good. I can't be hypocritical and give Jim Cornette a pass just because he has more value in the wrestling world than Lars does. Jim has to go away, for a very long time, forever maybe. I really like NWA Powerrr, but I've got a limit, and he's crossed it. The damage is done and this will follow him for a long time. For a guy with his mind, he just somehow doesn't get this shit isn't cool as a character but imo i've always said his "character" and the real life guy weren't too far apart and now he's blended that enough to the point it is f*** this dude levels The sad thing is he admits to this stuff and yet he still has a job and supporters. Billy is doing bad by just keeping him on or not even saying anything towards these things he says. It shouldn't be a ho hum response, that's just Jim he's like that Yeah, I got nothing to add. I've got no respect for the man right now, same for the people who defend or support the things he's saying. There's having an opinion and then there's, whatever Jim's doing.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 18, 2019 14:57:17 GMT -5
You are very much not understanding what is being said. For decades - DECADES - most territories treated being black as the gimmick of most African-American workers. That's why there was rarely more than one black face and/or one black heel on their roster. Is/Was it racist? You bet your ass it was and is. But the absolute fact is that it was how wrestlers of color were treated for literally decades. Promotions didn't bother with giving them gimmicks, because to the promoters, that WAS their gimmick. And in 2019 it is bullshit. You know your other post made me look at wrestling being toxic and how pro wrestling lets scum like lawler, hogan, flair, and just keep getting kept relevant. The worst is how children in joshi are bread into sex idols. Like i have this sick feeling after rewatching gaea girls about what possible abuse riho had to go through. How she was 9 and is now 21. Or how much f***ed up shit rey mysterio and juvi saw at 13 traveling tijuana. Or even the apartment wrestling seth rollins and adam cole did. Or the gross sexualization of everyone in wwe. You are right pro wrestling is a f***ing cesspool of shit. I've attempted to write a reply to this no less than five times now over the last day, each time getting several paragraphs in before deciding I'm derailing myself and walking away. Try #6. Look, I love wrestling. It's been part of my core being since 1985. It's something I hold very dear in a lot of ways. But yes, pro wrestling has always been a cesspool. It started as a traveling carny con, it mutated with the Gold Dust Trio into a bigger and more organized con, and with the NWA, it became an even bigger, monopolized, organized con. And cons attract cons. Not saying everyone in the business ever have been such. There are and were a LOT of very good people that have been part of the business. But it's form of entertainment that - due to its very genetic make-up - attracts the types of people who make very poor life choices. It is and always has been a haven for racists and sexual predators (my god, you never want to know how many underage female fans were taken advantage of in the 1980s, especially in the Memphis and World Class areas). It's always been a haven for those that are legit violently unhinged. It's always been a haven for mobsters and would-be mobsters to work their "craft". The fact that I can immediately count on my fingers the number of convicted pedos that have worked major promotions and still know I'm leaving some out is disturbing. That I can do the same with the number of wrestlers who have taken lives, equally. That I can point to over half of the major-ish workers from the 80s and 90s and can bring up at least one incident that paints them as a horrible human being. Dusty Rhodes? Great guy, awesome to hang out with, well-loved mentor. Dusty also purposely and actively tried to destroy a woman's career once because she friend-zoned him. We're in a better place now, for absolute sure. A lot of that *has* been expunged. But it's all still there in strong form regardless. Wrestling is a cesspool, and people will have to start making choices - are they okay with all of their heroes being slime, or do we demand better? And when I say demand better, I don't mean stupid shit like dumb storylines or general backstage politics. The racists need to be called out and sent on their way. The predators have to be weeded out. It is upon the business and those within it to start standing up and cleaning out their own pool because without them, all we can do is scream from the sideline and continue to hand them money anyway, or we find ways to make sure they know this crap is unacceptable in 2019.
|
|
|
Post by ogreknee on Nov 18, 2019 15:07:09 GMT -5
And in 2019 it is bullshit. You know your other post made me look at wrestling being toxic and how pro wrestling lets scum like lawler, hogan, flair, and just keep getting kept relevant. The worst is how children in joshi are bread into sex idols. Like i have this sick feeling after rewatching gaea girls about what possible abuse riho had to go through. How she was 9 and is now 21. Or how much f***ed up shit rey mysterio and juvi saw at 13 traveling tijuana. Or even the apartment wrestling seth rollins and adam cole did. Or the gross sexualization of everyone in wwe. You are right pro wrestling is a f***ing cesspool of shit. I've attempted to write a reply to this no less than five times now over the last day, each time getting several paragraphs in before deciding I'm derailing myself and walking away. Try #6. Look, I love wrestling. It's been part of my core being since 1985. It's something I hold very dear in a lot of ways. But yes, pro wrestling has always been a cesspool. It started as a traveling carny con, it mutated with the Gold Dust Trio into a bigger and more organized con, and with the NWA, it became an even bigger, monopolized, organized con. And cons attract cons. Not saying everyone in the business ever have been such. There are and were a LOT of very good people that have been part of the business. But it's form of entertainment that - due to its very genetic make-up - attracts the types of people who make very poor life choices. It is and always has been a haven for racists and sexual predators (my god, you never want to know how many underage female fans were taken advantage of in the 1980s, especially in the Memphis and World Class areas). It's always been a haven for those that are legit violently unhinged. It's always been a haven for mobsters and would-be mobsters to work their "craft". The fact that I can immediately count on my fingers the number of convicted pedos that have worked major promotions and still know I'm leaving some out is disturbing. That I can do the same with the number of wrestlers who have taken lives, equally. That I can point to over half of the major-ish workers from the 80s and 90s and can bring up at least one incident that paints them as a horrible human being. Dusty Rhodes? Great guy, awesome to hang out with, well-loved mentor. Dusty also purposely and actively tried to destroy a woman's career once because she friend-zoned him. We're in a better place now, for absolute sure. A lot of that *has* been expunged. But it's all still there in strong form regardless. Wrestling is a cesspool, and people will have to start making choices - are they okay with all of their heroes being slime, or do we demand better? And when I say demand better, I don't mean stupid shit like dumb storylines or general backstage politics. The racists need to be called out and sent on their way. The predators have to be weeded out. It is upon the business and those within it to start standing up and cleaning out their own pool because without them, all we can do is scream from the sideline and continue to hand them money anyway, or we find ways to make sure they know this crap is unacceptable in 2019. I think with twitter we can voice concerns directly to performers, bookers, and as seen with snickers we can go straight to sponsors when it comes to grossness in booking. I think the mattel deal has sort of forced wwe into being mindful in most cases. Except for the whole blood money fiasco. But the fact that we have guys like chasyn rance still training teenagers in florida. The whole gross incest prostitution with buck zumhoff. The joking about "my boys" when there were boys for pat patterson and jim barnett. Orlando Jordan traveling with an underage teen across the states. I mean yeah flair making jokes about morton and gibson wanting girls in training bras. Grizzly Smith getting high ranking spots in wcw and wwf And people brushing it aside as "it was a different time then" When i look at wrestling as a culture. It is a cesspool of shitty people
|
|
|
Post by thegame415 on Nov 18, 2019 18:42:20 GMT -5
Proper thread title:
What is Cornette’s problem?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:30:59 GMT -5
And in 2019 it is bullshit. You know your other post made me look at wrestling being toxic and how pro wrestling lets scum like lawler, hogan, flair, and just keep getting kept relevant. The worst is how children in joshi are bread into sex idols. Like i have this sick feeling after rewatching gaea girls about what possible abuse riho had to go through. How she was 9 and is now 21. Or how much f***ed up shit rey mysterio and juvi saw at 13 traveling tijuana. Or even the apartment wrestling seth rollins and adam cole did. Or the gross sexualization of everyone in wwe. You are right pro wrestling is a f***ing cesspool of shit. I've attempted to write a reply to this no less than five times now over the last day, each time getting several paragraphs in before deciding I'm derailing myself and walking away. Try #6. Look, I love wrestling. It's been part of my core being since 1985. It's something I hold very dear in a lot of ways. But yes, pro wrestling has always been a cesspool. It started as a traveling carny con, it mutated with the Gold Dust Trio into a bigger and more organized con, and with the NWA, it became an even bigger, monopolized, organized con. And cons attract cons. Not saying everyone in the business ever have been such. There are and were a LOT of very good people that have been part of the business. But it's form of entertainment that - due to its very genetic make-up - attracts the types of people who make very poor life choices. It is and always has been a haven for racists and sexual predators (my god, you never want to know how many underage female fans were taken advantage of in the 1980s, especially in the Memphis and World Class areas). It's always been a haven for those that are legit violently unhinged. It's always been a haven for mobsters and would-be mobsters to work their "craft". The fact that I can immediately count on my fingers the number of convicted pedos that have worked major promotions and still know I'm leaving some out is disturbing. That I can do the same with the number of wrestlers who have taken lives, equally. That I can point to over half of the major-ish workers from the 80s and 90s and can bring up at least one incident that paints them as a horrible human being. Dusty Rhodes? Great guy, awesome to hang out with, well-loved mentor. Dusty also purposely and actively tried to destroy a woman's career once because she friend-zoned him. We're in a better place now, for absolute sure. A lot of that *has* been expunged. But it's all still there in strong form regardless. Wrestling is a cesspool, and people will have to start making choices - are they okay with all of their heroes being slime, or do we demand better? And when I say demand better, I don't mean stupid shit like dumb storylines or general backstage politics. The racists need to be called out and sent on their way. The predators have to be weeded out. It is upon the business and those within it to start standing up and cleaning out their own pool because without them, all we can do is scream from the sideline and continue to hand them money anyway, or we find ways to make sure they know this crap is unacceptable in 2019. That's why I'm glad Kayfabe is dead. I know it doesn't solve everything, but with Kayfabe dead and effectively buried, you can stop with this shroud of secrecy BS that's been around the wrestling business for years. Corny is flat-out wrong that things were better with Kayfabe, because as you mentioned, there was way too much illegal and immoral nonsense going on that was hidden away from public view just to keep up the mystique of fake fighting.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,121
|
Post by Mozenrath on Nov 18, 2019 19:34:27 GMT -5
I've thought of the Justin Roberts stuff a bit, and honestly, even now, I still expected more out of Jim than that, foolish of me as that is.
|
|
Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
Posts: 41,948
|
Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 18, 2019 19:56:35 GMT -5
For everyone who missed this mornings fun, Corny blocked Brian Zane on Twitter for comparing wrestling and the circus.
So, that’s the end of that “friendship” or whatever it was.
|
|
Welfare Willis
Crow T. Robot
Pornomancer 555-BONE FDIC Bonsured
Game Center CX Kacho on!
Posts: 44,259
|
Post by Welfare Willis on Nov 18, 2019 20:01:23 GMT -5
He's done so much damage to himself that even if he tried to claim that this all was a personality to garner money, the main question people will ask is why the hell you want to be so ugly to get some money Nothing he can say can ever really help him dig that whole he made for himself What's so sad is he's very good at calling wrestling and he CAN be very entertaining. But this character he's playing, or personality that he's leaned so far into, is so bad. I just can't watch the guy. I want nothing to do with Lars Sullivan and I'll actively take the time to point out that he's no good. I can't be hypocritical and give Jim Cornette a pass just because he has more value in the wrestling world than Lars does. Jim has to go away, for a very long time, forever maybe. I really like NWA Powerrr, but I've got a limit, and he's crossed it. Good point, TM. I'll join you.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,121
|
Post by Mozenrath on Nov 18, 2019 20:19:37 GMT -5
For everyone who missed this mornings fun, Corny blocked Brian Zane on Twitter for comparing wrestling and the circus. So, that’s the end of that “friendship” or whatever it was. Where does Cornette think wresting came from? What a fake wrestling fan Jim is.
|
|
Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
Posts: 41,948
|
Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 18, 2019 20:20:45 GMT -5
For everyone who missed this mornings fun, Corny blocked Brian Zane on Twitter for comparing wrestling and the circus. So, that’s the end of that “friendship” or whatever it was. Where does Cornette think wresting came from? What a fake wrestling fan Jim is. I dunno. I thought they were friends. It’s possible Corny has lost the plot.
|
|
|
Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Nov 18, 2019 20:54:03 GMT -5
Where does Cornette think wresting came from? What a fake wrestling fan Jim is. I dunno. I thought they were friends. It’s possible Corny has lost the plot. Cornette enjoyed that "Jim Cornette Gets It Wrong" video that he did a while back. I got to wonder if he would have that same reaction if that video was released today, because I have to wonder if he's gotten even more thin-skinned since that time.
|
|