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Post by Sam Punk on Nov 15, 2019 0:24:31 GMT -5
The Corrs are actually a pretty good band.
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Post by Derk! on Nov 15, 2019 3:29:09 GMT -5
Admittedly I haven't done a deep-dive into their discography, but I enjoy Come Clarity. If you go back, you can pretty much stop at Clayman, and then ask what the hell happened. Ditto with Soilwork after A Predator's Portrait. Soilwork came back strong outta nowhere with The Living Infinite, though.
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Post by Spider2024 on Nov 15, 2019 8:50:02 GMT -5
Ashlee Simpson was a damn good pop artist.
She had a lot of success, but also had a lot of critics saying that her voice was too screechy and she was getting fame mostly because her sister was very famous. (Also there was the famous lip syncing incident, which I think made a lot of people say 'wow, her voice must be so bad, she can't even do it live!')
But she did have a lot of good songs. (And her voice wasn't bad. Fact is, not everyone's voice can be as smooth as Mariah or anything like that.) She had 2 albums go to #1, and her 3rd album (which had far less promotion behind it, and only had one official single without even a video attached to it) still went to #4.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 15, 2019 9:00:29 GMT -5
I am the Jim Cornette of the music scene. Anything made after 1990 is useless to me. There’s a couple albums after I like but it’s very few, otherwise I’m on board with this.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 15, 2019 9:49:45 GMT -5
If you go back, you can pretty much stop at Clayman, and then ask what the hell happened. Ditto with Soilwork after A Predator's Portrait. Soilwork came back strong outta nowhere with The Living Infinite, though. I will agree to disagree and say no more. - Arch Enemy haven't made a good album since Wages of Sin. and you can't tell me that Alissa was the best choice they had to replace Angela. even if they insisted on having her replacement be another woman, Alissa isn't even in the top 20 choices. and the way she treated her previous band on the way out is abominable. - Crowbar deserve to be a much bigger band than they are. without Crowbar, you have no ISIS (the band), Cult of Luna or The Ocean. - Watain are among the very last of the bands playing classic style black metal that are actually worth listening to. most bands doing that style these days just make me think "I could just listen to Emperor or Darkthrone instead". - I've just about had it with joke grindcore bands and wish more people would take the genre seriously.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 15, 2019 10:52:09 GMT -5
I personally never thought that Britney Spears was a bad singer. Okay, yes, people would say it's because of how she was sold as a sexpot when she was only 16 or 17. I wouldn't argue, even though I was about 12 when she first got famous, so it didn't matter to me. She is a great dancer, no questions asked about that. As a singer, though, I never thought her voice was terrible and there have been moments when she has shown that she has or had pipes. Okay, yes, Christina Aguilera was the better singer as she has a powerful voice. Mandy Moore definitely was a better singer. Also, say what you will about Jessica Simpson, especially when talking about her fame from 2003-2005 (Yes, she had Sweet Kisses and Irresistible before that, but I think she was more in the public eye during 2003-2005 because of Newlyweds, even though In This Skin had come out around that time), but you can't deny that she has a good voice as well.
Back to Britney, if you look (or listen) hard enough at some of her earlier work, especially at songs that didn't become singles, she had shown that her voice wasn't all that bad.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Nov 15, 2019 11:16:58 GMT -5
Okay, I know the some hip-hop heads will give me crap for this, but they're stuck in the early-2000s regarding this: I never thought Ja Rule was a bad artist. Yes, I get that the pop ballads that he did ruined his image a tad. However, when 50 Cent got popular, he made it trendy to hate on the guy. What about the hip-hop heads that have never had time for him? I been making fun of that man since his better value DMNX was polluting The Box.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 15, 2019 11:23:24 GMT -5
Okay, I know the some hip-hop heads will give me crap for this, but they're stuck in the early-2000s regarding this: I never thought Ja Rule was a bad artist. Yes, I get that the pop ballads that he did ruined his image a tad. However, when 50 Cent got popular, he made it trendy to hate on the guy. What about the hip-hop heads that have never had time for him? I been making fun of that man since his better value DMNX was polluting The Box. At least you have a negative opinion about him that doesn't relate to what made the hate for him trendy. I can understand not liking his music and all of that, but then you have the people turn against him because his main rival got more popular, which made their beef a big deal and then so many people decide to side with the more popular artist. If you didn't already not like the man, that's fine and I can understand that. However, several people on Facebook groups related to hip-hop, as well as other forums like Reddit, still make fun of him like it's still 2003.
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Post by Spider2024 on Nov 15, 2019 16:11:01 GMT -5
I personally never thought that Britney Spears was a bad singer. Okay, yes, people would say it's because of how she was sold as a sexpot when she was only 16 or 17. I wouldn't argue, even though I was about 12 when she first got famous, so it didn't matter to me. She is a great dancer, no questions asked about that. As a singer, though, I never thought her voice was terrible and there have been moments when she has shown that she has or had pipes. Okay, yes, Christina Aguilera was the better singer as she has a powerful voice. Mandy Moore definitely was a better singer. Also, say what you will about Jessica Simpson, especially when talking about her fame from 2003-2005 (Yes, she had Sweet Kisses and Irresistible before that, but I think she was more in the public eye during 2003-2005 because of Newlyweds, even though In This Skin had come out around that time), but you can't deny that she has a good voice as well. Back to Britney, if you look (or listen) hard enough at some of her earlier work, especially at songs that didn't become singles, she had shown that her voice wasn't all that bad. Britney Spears is one of the greatest pop artists of all time. Overall speaking. Not the best voice ever, fine, but in terms of complete package, absolutely. - Christina has the best voice of the 4. Also was/is a great pop star overall. I feel like if you were to try to assign some overall OVR rating for every musical act somehow, (one of those where the final score would be anywhere from 1 to 100) you would pretty much have to give Britney and Christina the exact same number score, maybe one gets 1 point more than the other. - Jessica had a dynamite voice, but her pop career never quite clicked somehow. I maintain the notion that, at the end of the day, the actual songs are the best way to judge an artist. Jessica had some good ones but less good ones than Britney or Christina. ("I Wanna Love You Forever" is a masterpiece, though.) - Mandy's more of a complicated one to judge, her career was/is basically a tale of two halves. Her early pop stuff wasn't "bad", but I think they failed to fully take off because a lot of it sounded too much like "Britney b-side" stuff, while Christina/Jessica at least tried to make themselves sound more unique but still pop sounding. Mandy wanted to be "a music star" but didn't really want to be "a pop star" like the other 3 girls, or really like anyone in mainstream pop was. But as record companies tend to do, they wanted her to conform to mainstream radio, she didn't feel it was quite working right for her, so she and Sony went their separate ways when her contract ended in 2004. Since then she's been trying to independently find her voice musically. Her material since then can I guess be defined as 'indie modern folk pop rock' or whatever. Basically stuff that totally would've been hits in the 1970's pop/rock middle ground. Mandy's voice today is better than Britney's ever was, but Mandy's early bubble gum pop voice, maybe not so much (and this is coming from someone who still loves her early pop.) One last note about Britney: Most mainstream pop artists tend to be judged more on the merit of their singles more so than the merit of their albums. Britney's first 3 albums are solid LPs, I have to say. Solid from beginning to end. Maybe not every song is strong enough to be a single, but it seems like pop albums are judged more so on that than albums from other genres. Seems like fewer pure pop albums are beloved critically over time; I can really only think of two examples that always go on Best Albums Lists: "Thriller" and Beatles albums. Not much else in terms of pop, but Britney had good full albums, not just good singles.
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Post by edgestar on Nov 15, 2019 18:27:21 GMT -5
"Tonight, thank God it's them, instead of you", is an amazing lyric in a Christmas song.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Nov 15, 2019 19:51:27 GMT -5
I want to like Pantera so bad. I first song I heard from them was, unsurprisingly, Cowboys From Hell, which I liked. Then when I first listened to the soundtrack of the movie The Crow, which featured their song “The Badge,” on of my favorite badass angry songs of all time, I figured I had to dive deeper into them, and they might really be a new favorite band of mine in the making.
So I did listen to their other stuff...and it did nothing for me. Just meh.
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Post by Glitch on Nov 15, 2019 19:53:05 GMT -5
I am the Jim Cornette of the music scene. Anything made after 1990 is useless to me. How you dare you hate Kenny Omega's christmas album.
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Post by King Boo on Nov 15, 2019 20:46:59 GMT -5
"Tonight, thank God it's them, instead of you", is an amazing lyric in a Christmas song. Because it's so bad!!
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Post by Glitch on Nov 15, 2019 22:06:46 GMT -5
If you've heard Angel of Death and Seasons in The Abyss, you've heard pretty much every Slayer song ever. Out of the big four of thrash, they are the least technically skilled. as a big Slayer fan, yeah, you're not wrong. while we're on their technical skills, the disparity in technical ability between Jeff and Kerry is hilarious. Kerry King may just be one of the worst lead guitarists in metal. here's a few more: - You don't need to buy the first 4 Cannibal Corpse albums. just buy Live Cannibalism to hear those older songs instead. George Fisher is so much better as a vocalist than Chris Barnes that he makes the guy's entire era of CC redundant. the only people who prefer Chris Barnes are tiny edgelords who get off on the cartoonish misogyny of their early lyrics. - Deafheaven deserve every little bit of hype they get as a band. they truly are one of the most innovative and exciting bands in the genre. people sitting around gatekeeping what Black metal "Should" sound like are the worst. oh, and they absolutely KILL live. while I'm on it, New Bermuda >>> Sunbather. - post-Reroute to Remain, In Flames don't have fans; only apologists. - the new Pig Destroyer album was straight up ass and broke my heart. Yeah. I do like how Slayer sounds. It's just not enough for me to sit through a whole album. And since we're talking about Chris Barnes, the Six Feet Under song featuring Ice T is a good listen.....as long as you can tolerates Barnes' sub par growls. The difference between his and Ice's parts are miles apart. Sometimes I'll just skip to Ice's portion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 22:14:07 GMT -5
I prefer Nine Inch Nails version of "Hurt" over Johnny Cashes. The live version from one of the Further Down the Spiral versions is even better than the album track.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Nov 15, 2019 22:47:36 GMT -5
Sinead O'Connor was a brilliant artist, well ahead of her time, and would be so much more praised if she arrived on the scene today.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 15, 2019 22:51:50 GMT -5
Sinead O'Connor was a brilliant artist, well ahead of her time, and would be so much more praised if she arrived on the scene today. Also, her little stunt on SNL seemed prescient as opposed to offensive given what came out since then.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Nov 15, 2019 22:54:44 GMT -5
Sinead O'Connor was a brilliant artist, well ahead of her time, and would be so much more praised if she arrived on the scene today. Also, her little stunt on SNL seemed prescient as opposed to offensive given what came out since then. Also, Frank Sinatra didn't get nearly enough shit for saying he wanted to "kick her in the ass."
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Post by Gremlin on Nov 15, 2019 22:59:37 GMT -5
Carpenters rule.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 16, 2019 1:05:00 GMT -5
- Mandy's more of a complicated one to judge, her career was/is basically a tale of two halves. Her early pop stuff wasn't "bad", but I think they failed to fully take off because a lot of it sounded too much like "Britney b-side" stuff, while Christina/Jessica at least tried to make themselves sound more unique but still pop sounding. Mandy wanted to be "a music star" but didn't really want to be "a pop star" like the other 3 girls, or really like anyone in mainstream pop was. But as record companies tend to do, they wanted her to conform to mainstream radio, she didn't feel it was quite working right for her, so she and Sony went their separate ways when her contract ended in 2004. Since then she's been trying to independently find her voice musically. Her material since then can I guess be defined as 'indie modern folk pop rock' or whatever. Basically stuff that totally would've been hits in the 1970's pop/rock middle ground. Mandy's voice today is better than Britney's ever was, but Mandy's early bubble gum pop voice, maybe not so much (and this is coming from someone who still loves her early pop.) And today, with her hitting gold with Tangled, and This Is Us, her pop career is pretty much forgotten about. Well, yeah, what monster could hate Karen's voice? She had one of the greatest voices in music history. - I still have some Michelle Branch songs on my iPod, and still listen to them.
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