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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Nov 13, 2019 9:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by Andy Martin on Nov 13, 2019 9:22:26 GMT -5
I'm sure that'll push their ratings from 50K to...80K. Yeah, it’s still FS1 afterall.
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 13, 2019 9:26:34 GMT -5
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 13, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -5
Maybe it's my depression talking, but I feel absolutely _nothing_ about this, except for a mild annoyance.
CM Punk returning to the WWE fold in _any_ capacity feels like a selling-out to me, yet another instance of WWE "subverting expectations" and demonstrating that they can buy any wrestling talent they choose.
It's not just WWE that gets the pranging over this, however. Any major talent who chooses to step or remain under the WWE umbrella, after the last couple years that WWE has had, is getting a side-eye from me. Moxley is lauded, and significantly rightly in my view, for choosing to pursue the craft _his_ way and express _his_ vision rather than take money from Vince and be utterly flattened creatively. Punk returning, even in this capacity and being paid by Fox rather than WWE, feels like a cynical exploitation and corruption of fans' wishes, just like everything else has been these last few years.
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Post by No One on Nov 13, 2019 9:30:38 GMT -5
I feel really weird that I'm not feeling the hype here at all. Awesome for people who do but I'm just kind of, "Eh, cool, whatever," and it feels very strange. Good to hear.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 13, 2019 9:30:50 GMT -5
Maybe it's my depression talking, but I feel absolutely _nothing_ about this, except for a mild annoyance. CM Punk returning to the WWE fold in _any_ capacity feels like a selling-out to me, yet another instance of WWE "subverting expectations" and demonstrating that they can buy any wrestling talent they choose. It's not just WWE that gets the pranging over this, however. Any major talent who chooses to step or remain under the WWE umbrella, after the last couple years that WWE has had, is getting a side-eye from me. Moxley is lauded, and significantly rightly in my view, for choosing to pursue the craft _his_ way and express _his_ vision rather than take money from Vince and be utterly flattened creatively. Punk returning, even in this capacity and being paid by Fox rather than WWE, feels like a cynical exploitation and corruption of fans' wishes, just like everything else has been these last few years. All I can say is wow.....
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 13, 2019 9:32:12 GMT -5
Maybe it's my depression talking, but I feel absolutely _nothing_ about this, except for a mild annoyance. CM Punk returning to the WWE fold in _any_ capacity feels like a selling-out to me, yet another instance of WWE "subverting expectations" and demonstrating that they can buy any wrestling talent they choose. It's not just WWE that gets the pranging over this, however. Any major talent who chooses to step or remain under the WWE umbrella, after the last couple years that WWE has had, is getting a side-eye from me. Moxley is lauded, and significantly rightly in my view, for choosing to pursue the craft _his_ way and express _his_ vision rather than take money from Vince and be utterly flattened creatively. Punk returning, even in this capacity and being paid by Fox rather than WWE, feels like a cynical exploitation and corruption of fans' wishes, just like everything else has been these last few years. All I can say is wow..... What else can I say? I've turned into Stan Marsh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:33:39 GMT -5
I'm a longtime Punk mark, but putting on my cynical realist hat for a moment: Backstage may be produced by FOX and not WWE, but it's a show designed to get eyes on a brand they've invested heavily in. There's no sticking it to WWE going on here. Nah, I'm not sure about that. Last night they had a segment shitting on the entire Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. They even referenced that tweet Rusev went off on and said if they just forgot about the storyline then hey no one would mind. They're not going to defend something if they don't like it on that show.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2019 9:36:21 GMT -5
I'm a longtime Punk mark, but putting on my cynical realist hat for a moment: Backstage may be produced by FOX and not WWE, but it's a show designed to get eyes on a brand they've invested heavily in. There's no sticking it to WWE going on here. Nah, I'm not sure about that. Last night they had a segment shitting on the entire Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. They're not going to defend something if they don't like it on that show. Especially with a bunch of people where two of them could be gone tomorrow and nothing would change. Booker especially with his radio stuff. Renee would be snatched by a major network the second her "Future Endeavours" press release was out. Like, if we were talking about most present talent (I mean, Joe seems like a guy who'd be fine wherever he goes so he's probably more willing to let his views out) then I'd be seeing that view.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 13, 2019 9:37:39 GMT -5
He’s being paid to be Skip Bayless now. "The Fiend will be a great champion for the company. You know who isn't a great champion? That's right, LeBron James..."
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Post by Mecca on Nov 13, 2019 9:38:29 GMT -5
All I can say is wow..... What else can I say? I've turned into Stan Marsh. I don't know if you meant it this way but I read that I felt like you were saying you negatively judged guys just for working there. If you personally would take less money to do the same job, that's your call and you can applaud Moxley for doing it. But I think it's very unfair to judge guys for taking the check. It's a job, in the real world people rarely take less money to do the same job.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:46:47 GMT -5
Punk is looking at his own interests. If WWE offer him a shit load of money to wrestle one match he'll do it. I don't really blame him.
He seems to be interested in doing more acting work, he needs to keep his name out there now he's done in UFC.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Nov 13, 2019 9:48:10 GMT -5
What else can I say? I've turned into Stan Marsh. I don't know if you meant it this way but I read that I felt like you were saying you negatively judged guys just for working there. If you personally would take less money to do the same job, that's your call and you can applaud Moxley for doing it. But I think it's very unfair to judge guys for taking the check. It's a job, in the real world people rarely take less money to do the same job. I also think we message board folks take the whacky world of wrestling far more serious than “the boys” do. For every Mox there’s probably a whole line of guys who shrug, laugh it off, and take their check home to their family happy as can be.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 13, 2019 9:49:16 GMT -5
Wow. It’s more shocking how uneventful and lackluster he ended up coming back lol.
Can’t believe I went from being the biggest Punk fan in the world to feeling eh about the guy in the last year. Guess this is appropriate.
But as always, like with the comic book stuff, and the acting, and the MMA...yay I suppose. Hope it all makes him a happier person or something.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 13, 2019 9:49:16 GMT -5
I don't know if you meant it this way but I read that I felt like you were saying you negatively judged guys just for working there. If you personally would take less money to do the same job, that's your call and you can applaud Moxley for doing it. But I think it's very unfair to judge guys for taking the check. It's a job, in the real world people rarely take less money to do the same job. I also think we message board folks take the whacky world of wrestling far more serious than “the boys” do. For every Mox there’s probably a whole line of guys who shrug, laugh it off, and take their check home to their family happy as can be. At your current job if your friend told you, you worked for a scumbag company and you should quit....but quitting means working at some small business that pays a quarter of what you make now, would you do that? It's fine if you would but 98% of people would not do that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 9:50:45 GMT -5
Nah, I'm not sure about that. Last night they had a segment shitting on the entire Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. They're not going to defend something if they don't like it on that show. Especially with a bunch of people where two of them could be gone tomorrow and nothing would change. Booker especially with his radio stuff. Renee would be snatched by a major network the second her "Future Endeavours" press release was out. Like, if we were talking about most present talent (I mean, Joe seems like a guy who'd be fine wherever he goes so he's probably more willing to let his views out) then I'd be seeing that view. Right. They picked a crew who are too talented to be held back. They don't care much in this climate.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 13, 2019 9:52:16 GMT -5
Maybe it’s my depression talking, but I feel absolutely _nothing_ about this, except for a mild annoyance. CM Punk returning to the WWE fold in _any_ capacity feels like a selling-out to me, yet another instance of WWE “subverting expectations” and demonstrating that they can buy any wrestling talent they choose. It’s not just WWE that gets the pranging over this, however. Any major talent who chooses to step or remain under the WWE umbrella, after the last couple years that WWE has had, is getting a side-eye from me. Moxley is lauded, and significantly rightly in my view, for choosing to pursue the craft _his_ way and express _his_ vision rather than take money from Vince and be utterly flattened creatively. Punk returning, even in this capacity and being paid by Fox rather than WWE, feels like a cynical exploitation and corruption of fans’ wishes, just like everything else has been these last few years. I don’t know. It’s very hard for me to get mad at the following situation… - Dude had a falling out with WWE, never saying outright that he wouldn’t return but deeming it unlikely. - Five years later, he’s changed. He’s mellowed. The offer is good and he thinks ‘why not?’ Seems utterly reasonable.
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Post by tenshi on Nov 13, 2019 9:52:28 GMT -5
He’s being paid to be Skip Bayless now. "The Fiend will be a great champion for the company. You know who isn't a great champion? That's right, LeBron James...""I don't what to say but the Fiend registered a QBR of 50 in a scale from 1 to 100. That tells me that he can use he can use lights and puppets but he lacks the clutch gene, Mr. Shannon Sharpe. Do you know who has the clutch gene and who so happens to lead the roster in QBR? My guy, Seth Freakin' Rollins, the man you say is "not cool" and nobody likes!"
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 13, 2019 9:52:54 GMT -5
What else can I say? I've turned into Stan Marsh. I don't know if you meant it this way but I read that I felt like you were saying you negatively judged guys just for working there. If you personally would take less money to do the same job, that's your call and you can applaud Moxley for doing it. But I think it's very unfair to judge guys for taking the check. It's a job, in the real world people rarely take less money to do the same job. I have no qualms with anyone wishing to make a liveable income from this. What I have to question, however, is the extent to which the prospect of a higher income justifies abandoning the endeavour of scratching one's creative itch if one can be paid adequately without having to give up one's personal wrestling style or characterization. WWE is widely acknowledged now as being the "money run" for many - their best work having been performed elsewhere. If we're not getting a wrestler's best work in WWE, why should we watch them there, especially knowing why we're not getting their best work?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2019 9:53:19 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I said I had any other feelings than "ok then."
Granted, I don't watch any more any way, so I'm not exactly the demographic they're trying to excite so..haha
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