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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2019 9:53:58 GMT -5
Maybe it’s my depression talking, but I feel absolutely _nothing_ about this, except for a mild annoyance. CM Punk returning to the WWE fold in _any_ capacity feels like a selling-out to me, yet another instance of WWE “subverting expectations” and demonstrating that they can buy any wrestling talent they choose. It’s not just WWE that gets the pranging over this, however. Any major talent who chooses to step or remain under the WWE umbrella, after the last couple years that WWE has had, is getting a side-eye from me. Moxley is lauded, and significantly rightly in my view, for choosing to pursue the craft _his_ way and express _his_ vision rather than take money from Vince and be utterly flattened creatively. Punk returning, even in this capacity and being paid by Fox rather than WWE, feels like a cynical exploitation and corruption of fans’ wishes, just like everything else has been these last few years. I don’t know. It’s very hard for me to get mad at the following situation… - Dude had a falling out with WWE, never saying outright that he wouldn’t return but deeming it unlikely. - Five years later, he’s changed. He’s mellowed. The offer is good and he thinks ‘why not?’ Seems utterly reasonable. And again, not really working with anyone in WWE and only working with Fox producers. He can talk about WWE all he wants, can do things outside of the show environment (he has an agent after all), and doesn't have HHH down his neck constantly.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 13, 2019 9:55:22 GMT -5
I don't know if you meant it this way but I read that I felt like you were saying you negatively judged guys just for working there. If you personally would take less money to do the same job, that's your call and you can applaud Moxley for doing it. But I think it's very unfair to judge guys for taking the check. It's a job, in the real world people rarely take less money to do the same job. I have no qualms with anyone wishing to make a liveable income from this. What I have to question, however, is the extent to which the prospect of a higher income justifies abandoning the endeavour of scratching one's creative itch if one can be paid adequately without having to give up one's personal wrestling style or characterization. WWE is widely acknowledged now as being the "money run" for many - their best work having been performed elsewhere. If we're not getting a wrestler's best work in WWE, why should we watch them there, especially knowing why we're not getting their best work? Truthfully a lot of those guys don't care....in the words of Nash the only things that are real is the money and the miles.
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Post by Abdullah on Nov 13, 2019 9:57:47 GMT -5
I don’t know. It’s very hard for me to get mad at the following situation… - Dude had a falling out with WWE, never saying outright that he wouldn’t return but deeming it unlikely. - Five years later, he’s changed. He’s mellowed. The offer is good and he thinks ‘why not?’ Seems utterly reasonable. And again, not really working with anyone in WWE and only working with Fox producers. He can talk about WWE all he wants, can do things outside of the show environment (he has an agent after all), and doesn’t have HHH down his neck constantly. I think, for the people who are pissed at this, they see it as the first step to Punk being in a WWE ring. Whether or not that happens, we don’t know. But it conceivably could be.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2019 9:59:09 GMT -5
I have no qualms with anyone wishing to make a liveable income from this. What I have to question, however, is the extent to which the prospect of a higher income justifies abandoning the endeavour of scratching one's creative itch if one can be paid adequately without having to give up one's personal wrestling style or characterization. WWE is widely acknowledged now as being the "money run" for many - their best work having been performed elsewhere. If we're not getting a wrestler's best work in WWE, why should we watch them there, especially knowing why we're not getting their best work? Truthfully a lot of those guys don't care....in the words of Nash the only things that are real is the money and the miles. I mean, not that there isn't a bit of truth to it but Nash pretty much walked into WWE with barely any miles in him outside of a few WCW runs and got a push pretty much out of the gate so of course he'd care. Many of these guys have put the miles in much longer and are NOW getting the WWE opportunity in their mid to late 30s. Like, I don't think they see it as a job fully (Since they've spent most of their lives only knowing WWE as the only major company), but they're somewhat more like the 80s era when you did the work to get there and now have the paycheck as a reward.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2019 10:00:21 GMT -5
And again, not really working with anyone in WWE and only working with Fox producers. He can talk about WWE all he wants, can do things outside of the show environment (he has an agent after all), and doesn’t have HHH down his neck constantly. I think, for the people who are pissed at this, they see it as the first step to Punk being in a WWE ring. Whether or not that happens, we don’t know. But it conceivably could be. I mean, it could be, none of us really know. Like, if ratings get better and demographics rise, it probably will at least lead to a full on WWE offer but for this moment, especially after dealing with them for years after he left, this is probably a good middle ground to at least test things out.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 13, 2019 10:00:32 GMT -5
The WWE is also a dream job for most guys, a well paying dream job, it's extremely hard to walk away from that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 13, 2019 10:02:45 GMT -5
Word for word what I was thinking So much for his principles I always felt quite strongly that he screwed over Colt but f*** me this is rubbing salt in the wounds and then p*****g on the wound too I've never heard him say that he'd never return. Just that when the wounds were fresh, it was too far away to think about and then more recently that he'd do it for a lot of money They're talking about the whole friendship with Colt ending cuz Colt was hanging out at WWE to the point there were lawsuits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:07:57 GMT -5
Punk is in the perfect position to get whatever he wants out of WWE IF he even still has any inkling to return for atleast one more match or just appearances.
There is no downside for Punk here.
Me personally would love to see him just mucking around in NXT forget the main roster gimme Punk Vs Ciampa
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Post by edgestar on Nov 13, 2019 10:13:49 GMT -5
I'd be lying if I said I had any other feelings than "ok then." Granted, I don't watch any more any way, so I'm not exactly the demographic they're trying to excite so..haha I don't get FS1, so I can't watch. I was pretty bummed to not see the Christian episode, though!! Lol
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 13, 2019 10:21:28 GMT -5
"The Fiend will be a great champion for the company. You know who isn't a great champion? That's right, LeBron James...""I don't what to say but the Fiend registered a QBR of 50 in a scale from 1 to 100. That tells me that he can use he can use lights and puppets but he lacks the clutch gene, Mr. Shannon Sharpe. Do you know who has the clutch gene and who so happens to lead the roster in QBR? My guy, Seth Freakin' Rollins, the man you say is "not cool" and nobody likes!" "Also, Tim Tebow is 6'4", 250 pounds and should be the next WWE Champ!"
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 13, 2019 10:28:26 GMT -5
omg CM Punk wtf thought he was dead lol
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Nov 13, 2019 10:39:04 GMT -5
Punk is in the perfect position to get whatever he wants out of WWE IF he even still has any inkling to return for atleast one more match or just appearances. There is no downside for Punk here. Me personally would love to see him just mucking around in NXT forget the main roster gimme Punk Vs Ciampa Walter, KUSHIDA, Tyler Bate, Pete Dunn The possibilities are tantalizing, but I also doubt he is going to get back in the ring for anything other than big money on big shows.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 13, 2019 10:54:20 GMT -5
Just get him in the next video game.
Assuming the next video game isn't a piece of shit.
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Post by bob on Nov 13, 2019 10:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 13, 2019 11:09:14 GMT -5
Nah, I'm not sure about that. Last night they had a segment shitting on the entire Rusev/Lana/Lashley storyline. They're not going to defend something if they don't like it on that show. Especially with a bunch of people where two of them could be gone tomorrow and nothing would change. Booker especially with his radio stuff. Renee would be snatched by a major network the second her "Future Endeavours" press release was out. Like, if we were talking about most present talent (I mean, Joe seems like a guy who'd be fine wherever he goes so he's probably more willing to let his views out) then I'd be seeing that view. Depending on how she's been enjoying working with the Fox crew, I see her getting transitioned to work under Fox by the end of her current contract, maybe making a transition to a role on a broader show on FS1 (I don't have regular cable so I don't know what kind of talking heads shows they have).
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 13, 2019 11:18:57 GMT -5
At your current job if your friend told you, you worked for a scumbag company and you should quit....but quitting means working at some small business that pays a quarter of what you make now, would you do that? It's fine if you would but 98% of people would not do that. I guess I'm in the Top 2% then, because I did just that (even moved across the country to do so). The 'smaller business' I left for not only respected my opinions and expertise more, but they also rewarded me handsomely for my contributions and now I went from making a quarter of the income I had at my last job to triple of what I've ever made in any previous job. You don't realize how very real Stockholm Syndrome is for some workers, and simply getting out from under that influence can mean a significant difference if given the opportunity. I'm sure the 98% of those that are miserable in their jobs only stay because they're worried about their ability to land on their feet, but many of these companies (WWE included) operate under the impression that they are the only game in town. I'm not saying "selling out" is bad or anything (you do you for your families), but I have little sympathy for people who complain about their work conditions and then don't do anything about it because of fear. WWE is not the only pro wrestling company in town anymore, and hasn't been for the longest time. If someone wants to stick with them, that's their prerogative; but anyone who complains about their situation yet does nothing about it? You're on your own.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 13, 2019 11:32:00 GMT -5
Man some of y’all are really trying too hard to gloss over the fact he’s working with Fox and not really WWE
He’s not answering to Vince or HHH, the min he feels some f**ery is going on he’s out. However, let’s not get it twisted if WWE played a part in getting him back, the dude auditioned for this job he wanted it.
Cut the whole WWE spin master shit, it doesn’t work in this scenario
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:41:58 GMT -5
Man some of y’all are really trying too hard to gloss over the fact he’s working with Fox and not really WWE He’s not answering to Vince or HHH, the min he feels some f**ery is going on he’s out. However, let’s not get it twisted if WWE played a part in getting him back, the dude auditioned for this job he wanted it. Cut the whole WWE spin master shit, it doesn’t work in this scenario Yeah. PWI said WWE gave their blessing for Punk but with that said it just means that FOX approved everything for him prior to WWE finding out. He was gonna be in regardless it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:44:18 GMT -5
Sigh...you would think, that of all people, CM Punk would have had the moral integrity not to support the f***ing WWE in these times. Basically, any time he has an opinion on anything now, I won't be able to help but think he'll change it for enough money.
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Post by grungesmurf on Nov 13, 2019 11:53:44 GMT -5
I purchased that Stay Weird shirt and one in the reverse color order because of AJ Lee! It looks far better on her.
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