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Post by eJm on Nov 25, 2019 5:45:44 GMT -5
I'm not saying he's done at all but man...that sequence he had that was going well to have it end in just a kick and pinfall when there was a simpler way to protect him (do a double countout with him and Strowman to build that intrigue) just feels really strange to me especially when he fits a WWE mould almost to a T.
I'm coming at this from a biased place because some of my favourite matches of last year I've seen live had Walter in them and he's great at what he does.
But it's also the fact that NXT UK still needs to be sold more not just to Americans but to us Brits as well. Like, the tag champions had their ass handed to them by the Viking Raiders and the product in general just seems...really bland. Which is insane because that roster is stacked to the brim but outside of them appearing on other indie shows, I can't care about most of them.
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Post by captainhindsite on Nov 25, 2019 5:51:37 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of Walter but what I have I really like . He was over like rover and they just bury him. It's a large part of why i have stopped caring about wwe/nxt as a whole in awhile. For some reason they feel the need to bury new people that get over. I just don't get why they do this. What would it hurt to have him take out say Corbin and gable then have him and strowman fight to a countout on the outside.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 25, 2019 5:54:24 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane.
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Post by realist on Nov 25, 2019 5:58:57 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane. Over the years, that has become a Survivor Series booking trope. They take out a monster very quickly to show that anyone can go at any time. The best example of this is when Big Show knocked out Mark Henry at the start of the Team Cena vs Team Authority match.
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Post by eJm on Nov 25, 2019 6:01:12 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane. The only thing I can think of, all of this being alleged, is the contract Walter has with NXT UK that allows him to be able to live in Germany and perform pretty much anywhere and not have to travel as much as others do but even then he's performed in the US a few times recently so it's not like that should really hinder the guy, and him being UK champion. Or it could just be "get lots of heat".
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Post by eJm on Nov 25, 2019 6:09:43 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane. Over the years, that has become a Survivor Series booking trope. They take out a monster very quickly to show that anyone can go at any time. The best example of this is when Big Show knocked out Mark Henry at the start of the Team Cena vs Team Authority match. That was Show knocking out Cena about midway through the match and leaving, Henry wasn't in that match. Which was actually one of the better heel turns Show had. But the difference being that Show was established. Cena was WELL established. There was also a story flow for that to happen. This was literally Walter's main roster PPV debut to a crowd that was super hot and over for everything, he's the UK champion and undefeated in NXT UK as champion and he just...loses. Like, I said this before when Imperium lost by DQ and then in a 8 man tag, if Walter can be beaten that easily, then does that just mean Drew could come to the UK, hit a Claymore on every UK roster member and kill them dead? Because it really comes off that way.
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Post by realist on Nov 25, 2019 6:11:59 GMT -5
Over the years, that has become a Survivor Series booking trope. They take out a monster very quickly to show that anyone can go at any time. The best example of this is when Big Show knocked out Mark Henry at the start of the Team Cena vs Team Authority match. That was Show knocking out Cena about midway through the match and leaving, Henry wasn't in that match. Which was actually one of the better heel turns Show had. But the difference being that Show was established. Cena was WELL established. There was also a story flow for that to happen. This was literally Walter's main roster PPV debut to a crowd that was super hot and over for everything, he's the UK champion and undefeated in NXT UK as champion and he just...loses. Like, I said this before when Imperium lost by DQ and then in a 8 man tag, if Walter can be beaten that easily, then does that just mean Drew could come to the UK, hit a Claymore on every UK roster member and kill them dead? Because it really comes off that way. Nah, it happened. Look it up. Mark Henry was the first elimination about 30 seconds into the match. To be fair to you, the Cena thing also happened.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 25, 2019 6:13:26 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane. Over the years, that has become a Survivor Series booking trope. They take out a monster very quickly to show that anyone can go at any time. The best example of this is when Big Show knocked out Mark Henry at the start of the Team Cena vs Team Authority match. Or Samoa Joe last year, gone within the first minute of the match.
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Post by eJm on Nov 25, 2019 6:15:55 GMT -5
That was Show knocking out Cena about midway through the match and leaving, Henry wasn't in that match. Which was actually one of the better heel turns Show had. But the difference being that Show was established. Cena was WELL established. There was also a story flow for that to happen. This was literally Walter's main roster PPV debut to a crowd that was super hot and over for everything, he's the UK champion and undefeated in NXT UK as champion and he just...loses. Like, I said this before when Imperium lost by DQ and then in a 8 man tag, if Walter can be beaten that easily, then does that just mean Drew could come to the UK, hit a Claymore on every UK roster member and kill them dead? Because it really comes off that way. Nah, it happened. Look it up. Mark Henry was the first elimination about 30 seconds into the match. To be fair to you, the Cena thing also happened. Now you say that, you're completely right, apologies. So then my point becomes Henry is established to the audience so it's shocking that he lost in that fashion. This is a dude that, by some accounts, this is the second time people have seen him. And the first time, Seth Rollins almost beat him.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Nov 25, 2019 6:20:25 GMT -5
I'm not even a big fan of the guy and that was absolutely ridiculous.
I always assumed Vince would have the biggest boner in wanting to sign him to the main roster. Maybe he's "paying his dues".
I don't know. It was weird.
There were quite a few people I thought would be eliminated before him.
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 25, 2019 7:18:48 GMT -5
They could've just as easily jobbed out Strowman in the same fashion, have him hit a running powerslam in retaliation on Walter, and have them both brawl off into the sunset to protect him. Have home come back and eat both a Stomp/Spear of they have to have a definitive pin near the end. SOMETHING.
Survivor Series used to be my favorite show of the Big Four back in the day, now it's a poor man's Bragging Rights with all the wrong booking decisions. They need to get away from the whole Brand Loyalty thing and get back to themed teams, or drop the concept altogether.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Nov 25, 2019 7:27:03 GMT -5
They screwed over NXT UK at Survivor Series.
WALTER got jobbed out like that, and Toni Storm did a whole lot of nothing. Why even have them there if they're just going to job like that?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 25, 2019 8:13:01 GMT -5
He really was. And normally I don’t easily jump on the “so-and-so is being damaged” claim and I know they’re high on McIntyre, but if the idea is to establish WALTER as a dangerous threat, he shouldn’t be taken out by one Claymore while he’s fresh, not having even withstood any damage at all.
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Post by abjordans on Nov 25, 2019 8:21:01 GMT -5
To me, it was way more of a building up of McIntyre than the ruining of Walter. Also, it has been well established that in pro wrestling anyone can get caught, especially in these multi man matches. Walter will be fine. Might even get a McIntyre feud.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 25, 2019 8:50:16 GMT -5
Over the years, that has become a Survivor Series booking trope. They take out a monster very quickly to show that anyone can go at any time. The best example of this is when Big Show knocked out Mark Henry at the start of the Team Cena vs Team Authority match. Or Samoa Joe last year, gone within the first minute of the match. The silly part is that the tradition began with Andre the Giant in 1989, getting eliminated before the match really even began, but there was the clear excuse then that Andre's body was falling apart.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 25, 2019 8:58:17 GMT -5
Unless some story comes out about him f***ing up in some enormous way, then I really have no idea why they did that to him. That was absolutely inane. Trying to have their cake and it too. Walter is TECHNICALLY a top NXT champion,so it gives the team an air of importance. But at same time Vince doesn't think he or NXT UK is important,so he is expendable.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Nov 25, 2019 9:01:19 GMT -5
They screwed over NXT UK at Survivor Series. WALTER got jobbed out like that, and Toni Storm did a whole lot of nothing. Why even have them there if they're just going to job like that? So they couldn't be used by other promotions
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Nov 25, 2019 9:04:29 GMT -5
While I thought it was early, I think calling it a "burial" is a gross overreaction. He got caught by a surprise boot to the face during a chaotic match. It's truly no big deal, at least in my eyes.
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Post by Instant Classic on Nov 25, 2019 9:05:32 GMT -5
I was looking forward to see him lock it up with the likes of Orton, McIntyre, and Strowman but dude was out of there so fast. Bummer..
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Post by Steveweiser on Nov 25, 2019 10:07:23 GMT -5
They screwed over NXT UK at Survivor Series. WALTER got jobbed out like that, and Toni Storm did a whole lot of nothing. Why even have them there if they're just going to job like that? Toni at least lasted fairly deep into the match.
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