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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 27, 2020 6:37:02 GMT -5
Sasha has had an unfortunate time with injuries over the last couple of years though, including the concussion issues that nearly made her miss Evolution. Yeah even though I think Sasha should be used a bit better I don't think it's a fair comparison as she has been injury prone and there's also been rumblings about attitude issues when it comes to her. Along with having all the intangibles needed to be a star (look, promos, workrate) Becky's someone you never really hear anything bad about personality wise and she's been pretty durable for the most part with only one injury in her four years plus on the main roster with the one being the ridiculous Nia Jax incident which was something that should've been completely avoidable. She also was out for a month in 2016 for reasons that were never disclosed but if I remember the speculation was that it was because of some kind of medical condition and nothing to do with injury. There was no reason at all to why they weren't using her better and it wasn't until she caught fire to the point where they couldn't ignore via their own incompetence no less that they finally pulled the trigger on her. Similarly, Charlotte’s been averaging almost 150 matches/year since 2015 and the only time she missed via injury was after MITB 2018 and three months of working with ruptured implants.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 27, 2020 6:51:26 GMT -5
Yeah even though I think Sasha should be used a bit better I don't think it's a fair comparison as she has been injury prone and there's also been rumblings about attitude issues when it comes to her. Along with having all the intangibles needed to be a star (look, promos, workrate) Becky's someone you never really hear anything bad about personality wise and she's been pretty durable for the most part with only one injury in her four years plus on the main roster with the one being the ridiculous Nia Jax incident which was something that should've been completely avoidable. She also was out for a month in 2016 for reasons that were never disclosed but if I remember the speculation was that it was because of some kind of medical condition and nothing to do with injury. There was no reason at all to why they weren't using her better and it wasn't until she caught fire to the point where they couldn't ignore via their own incompetence no less that they finally pulled the trigger on her. Similarly, Charlotte’s been averaging almost 150 matches/year since 2015 and the only time she missed via injury was after MITB 2018 and three months of working with ruptured implants. I know people are sick of both Becky and Charlotte and it's understandable but at the same time it's also easy to understand why they push them both of them so much in that they are really the only two women that check all the boxes of what you would want in your top star. Both are talented, both are marketable, both are by all accounts nice and mature ladies that you aren't going to worry about doing dumb stuff outside the ring that will cause headaches, both are personable people that are great choices to represent the company for media and interviews and stuff like that, and both are durable wrestlers that you can rely on with each only having one injury apiece in over four years and in both cases being incidents that fluky stuff that really doesn't question durability (Becky getting shoot punched in the face by a 300 pound woman and Charlotte getting her boob broke). Alexa (durability), Sasha (durability and attitude), and, Asuka (media) are all great and check most of the boxes but not all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 6:56:53 GMT -5
My reaction to Becky vs Charlotte #4642
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Post by auph10imitated on Jan 27, 2020 7:04:50 GMT -5
The only thing that I am even remotely interested in seeing from this is a Fatal Four Way between the Four Horsewomen. This is the only combination of this match that has not been done since the NXT Takeover in 2015.
I think this makes the most sense going into the PPV, it gets all 4 of these women into one slot, and it's the most fresh combo.
Then they can have a Battle Royal, and Women's Tag Title Match separate for the others.
They could even do it under Elimination Rules like the Beniot/Angle/Jericho IC/EURO Title match from 20 years ago at 2000 so both belts can change hands during the match.
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Post by King Devitt on Jan 27, 2020 7:12:48 GMT -5
I dunno I'm more pissed off they're completely botching the Dakota Kai/Tegan Nox feud.
What should be a blood feud is two women who don't even INTERACT. All you had to do was have Tegan enter, and have Kai come in after, then Tegan eliminates Dakota, and then Dakota pulls Tegan out, and then they brawl to the back to a raucous crowd.
But no, let's have them enter 15 entrants apart and Nox gets eliminated quickly, and yawn. At least have Kai come back out and eliminate her.
SOMETHING.
But it's okay, instead of saving it for Takeover they're going to face off this Wednesday. Because.
Also, all hail The Queen.
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Post by grungesmurf on Jan 27, 2020 7:55:51 GMT -5
Well I don’t get why she won.
Hey Vince what a accolades does she have left to accomplish?
Let’s just get them all out of the way on raw in the next week or two and move on.
Get the father breaking record out the way ASAP
You have a ton of talented women on the roster. More than anytime in the history of your company.
Give them a chance.
Is she talented sure I guess but I just can’t get invested with her non stop pushes.
Thank goodness NXT is a thing now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 7:59:48 GMT -5
I am genuinely fine with Charlotte winning. She's continually delivered and has worked hard. In a vacuum, her winning the Rumble is entirely justified. It's just, with Bayley and Becky, she has had way too many matches with the two of them one on one. If the aim is a 4-way between the Horsewoman, sure, that'd probably be worthy of a 'Mania match, but they'd need to justify why Sasha would deserve to be in it. Then doing the spot twice was awkward as hell.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 27, 2020 7:59:55 GMT -5
I was fascinated by the crowd reaction to this in contrast to the reaction here, because, while Flair has never been crazy over like Lynch has been recently, she’s still decently over and the only time there’s ever been that Cena/Reigns type backlash to her was when she was directly opposed to Lynch in the last 18 months. Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake IMO, Flair's gradually turning into one of the great US women's workers of all time, to the point where I can imagine dream matches between her against Manami Toyota, Bull Nakano, etc. And charisma-wise I think she's underrated. The problem is she's also a victim of modern-day WWE's tend to oversaturate certain wrestlers and matchups, and also hot-potato booking in order to get both her and other people over.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 8:02:04 GMT -5
Well I don’t get why she won. Hey Vince what a accolades does she have left to accomplish? Let’s just get them all out of the way on raw in the next week or two and move on. Get the father breaking record out the way ASAP You have a ton of talented women on the roster. More than anytime in the history of your company. Give them a chance. Is she talented sure I guess but I just can’t get invested with her non stop pushes. Thank goodness NXT is a thing now. Mae Young Classic 2020 Winner: Charolette Flair
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 27, 2020 8:11:50 GMT -5
I feel like WWE needs to move some of the women from NXT to Raw and Smackdown. They may never get as over as they are in NXT and may never given the respect that Triple H gives them, but I feel they need more matchups for the other women.
Honestly I have somewhat a sneaky suspicion that Fox wants Charlotte back on Smackdown. Now more than likely it wont happen but that would be better for both brands than Becky/Charlotte again
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 27, 2020 8:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not surprised she won but I really hope she doesn't face Becky. It's been done to death. I know some people would get mad if she went to NXT and "buried" Rhea or whatever but the match would be infinitely more interesting.
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Post by brown bricks on Jan 27, 2020 8:31:21 GMT -5
Charlotte has to win and get that main event payday. Those surgeries don't pay for themselves. WOOOO!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 9:07:24 GMT -5
Charlotte is the most overrated women’s wrestler WWE has ever had and I’m still glad she won instead of Shayna.
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Post by auph10imitated on Jan 27, 2020 9:18:39 GMT -5
I dunno I'm more pissed off they're completely botching the Dakota Kai/Tegan Nox feud. What should be a blood feud is two women who don't even INTERACT. All you had to do was have Tegan enter, and have Kai come in after, then Tegan eliminates Dakota, and then Dakota pulls Tegan out, and then they brawl to the back to a raucous crowd. But no, let's have them enter 15 entrants apart and Nox gets eliminated quickly, and yawn. At least have Kai come back out and eliminate her. SOMETHING. But it's okay, instead of saving it for Takeover they're going to face off this Wednesday. Because. Also, all hail The Queen. They should have given the Lana/Liv spot to Dakota/Tegan or at least did something similar.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 27, 2020 9:20:24 GMT -5
I feel like WWE needs to move some of the women from NXT to Raw and Smackdown. They may never get as over as they are in NXT and may never given the respect that Triple H gives them, but I feel they need more matchups for the other women. Honestly I have somewhat a sneaky suspicion that Fox wants Charlotte back on Smackdown. Now more than likely it wont happen but that would be better for both brands than Becky/Charlotte again I have no idea, but it was odd how heavily Fox used her for promotional/corporate work up to the draft and then she was on Raw.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 27, 2020 9:20:55 GMT -5
I think Charlotte is super talented. But with how frequently we see people winning titles and losing them their quest for the title and then defense of the title just seem like they have a useless prop.
Charlotte is there. I get it they want her at 16+ Reigns that’s cute. But you’re doing it at the expense of the entire division
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 27, 2020 9:21:36 GMT -5
This repetitive nature is another reason why I haven’t watched an ounce of WWE in months. It bums me out, I want to be interested and watch but nothing they do is ever really fresh.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 27, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -5
I dunno I'm more pissed off they're completely botching the Dakota Kai/Tegan Nox feud. What should be a blood feud is two women who don't even INTERACT. All you had to do was have Tegan enter, and have Kai come in after, then Tegan eliminates Dakota, and then Dakota pulls Tegan out, and then they brawl to the back to a raucous crowd. But no, let's have them enter 15 entrants apart and Nox gets eliminated quickly, and yawn. At least have Kai come back out and eliminate her. SOMETHING. But it's okay, instead of saving it for Takeover they're going to face off this Wednesday. Because. Also, all hail The Queen. Not really, they were around a few times Save them interacting for NXT as having Tegan eliminating Kai or vice versa would not have gotten the maximum pop
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 27, 2020 12:18:26 GMT -5
Charlotte has never and probably will never get a fair shake IMO, Flair's gradually turning into one of the great US women's workers of all time, to the point where I can imagine dream matches between her against Manami Toyota, Bull Nakano, etc. And charisma-wise I think she's underrated. The problem is she's also a victim of modern-day WWE's tend to oversaturate certain wrestlers and matchups, and also hot-potato booking in order to get both her and other people over. That's my issue. She's accumulated a career worth of accolades and forced moments in the span of a little less than 5 years.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 27, 2020 12:20:24 GMT -5
I dunno I'm more pissed off they're completely botching the Dakota Kai/Tegan Nox feud. What should be a blood feud is two women who don't even INTERACT. All you had to do was have Tegan enter, and have Kai come in after, then Tegan eliminates Dakota, and then Dakota pulls Tegan out, and then they brawl to the back to a raucous crowd. But no, let's have them enter 15 entrants apart and Nox gets eliminated quickly, and yawn. At least have Kai come back out and eliminate her. SOMETHING. But it's okay, instead of saving it for Takeover they're going to face off this Wednesday. Because. Also, all hail The Queen. Not really, they were around a few times Save them interacting for NXT as having Tegan eliminating Kai or vice versa would not have gotten the maximum pop
Plus they already had their story-building moment at Worlds Collide.
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