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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 6, 2020 13:31:44 GMT -5
News:
Vince fears AEW.
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Post by msc on Feb 6, 2020 13:42:46 GMT -5
Imagine being any talent right now with short time left on contract.
"Oh hi Vince I heard AEW was going to offer me child care..." "Goddamit, I'll give you a million a year, pay for your kid up to uni graduation and for your parents health bills and I 'll toss in a mortgage too..." "OK, you got me..."
Outside office. "Man, I was just going to ask for an extra 5k to make up the costs..."
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Post by msc on Feb 6, 2020 13:45:58 GMT -5
The famous story of Seth Johnson's contract signing at Leeds United. Before hand his agent told him "you are worth 13k (he'd been on 5k a year) don't settle for less." Seth walks into the contract signing and the Leeds chairman says "We'll offer you 30k a year, no less." Quick as a flash Seth goes "I want 40k" and the Leeds chairman says "Done".
How that club wound up nearly bankrupt 2 years later is a mystery to us all...
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2020 13:46:43 GMT -5
And there's the story of this report. They're trying to run the company as a company, Vince is trying to hold on to some dick waving monopoly shit because he's a stubborn wreck driving his own legacy into the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2020 14:05:17 GMT -5
Uh oh...
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Post by Legion on Feb 6, 2020 14:11:56 GMT -5
I don't want to go down the hole of Observer bashing, but 'sources claim' is such a convienient thing to say when you dont have any actual evidence and just want to promote the inter-company conflict that keep your own subscribers going.
I dont doubt Vince is hugely spiteful and competitive, but I doubt he's going to let them go over that sort of thing. Considering the metrics in the financial report, the things they were responsible for managing and pushing, like the Network and Merchandise, are down. They failed at their jobs given revenue and sales were down.
It's going to be a ball of things that have led to this, and while trying to tell Vince how to manage his talent may be one of them, they wont be the only, or even the main thing.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 6, 2020 14:14:07 GMT -5
"Nobody shucks my corn but MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Feb 6, 2020 14:38:58 GMT -5
Me drunkenly trying to justify why I'm holding my friend's huge dog like a tiny pup
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 6, 2020 16:06:19 GMT -5
I don't want to go down the hole of Observer bashing, but 'sources claim' is such a convienient thing to say when you dont have any actual evidence and just want to promote the inter-company conflict that keep your own subscribers going. I dont doubt Vince is hugely spiteful and competitive, but I doubt he's going to let them go over that sort of thing. Considering the metrics in the financial report, the things they were responsible for managing and pushing, like the Network and Merchandise, are down. They failed at their jobs given revenue and sales were down. It's going to be a ball of things that have led to this, and while trying to tell Vince how to manage his talent may be one of them, they wont be the only, or even the main thing. You don't want to 'go down the hole of Observer bashing, you just know that Dave's making it up and doing so to support a specific agenda you've ascribed to him.
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Post by ssdrivin on Feb 6, 2020 16:14:37 GMT -5
I don't want to go down the hole of Observer bashing, but 'sources claim' is such a convienient thing to say when you dont have any actual evidence and just want to promote the inter-company conflict that keep your own subscribers going. I dont doubt Vince is hugely spiteful and competitive, but I doubt he's going to let them go over that sort of thing. Considering the metrics in the financial report, the things they were responsible for managing and pushing, like the Network and Merchandise, are down. They failed at their jobs given revenue and sales were down. It's going to be a ball of things that have led to this, and while trying to tell Vince how to manage his talent may be one of them, they wont be the only, or even the main thing.
Yeah, but there's only so much the beancounters can do when the writers and marketing dept keep trying to sell customers on the idea that sucking down steaming manure is totally top-notch not-to-be-missed entertainment.
If people aren't interested in the product, change the product, don't just make a public show of tokenistically firing executives. Especially if you ever expect the situation to improve beyond a short upward blip in the stock price.
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Post by Legion on Feb 6, 2020 16:50:08 GMT -5
I don't want to go down the hole of Observer bashing, but 'sources claim' is such a convienient thing to say when you dont have any actual evidence and just want to promote the inter-company conflict that keep your own subscribers going. I dont doubt Vince is hugely spiteful and competitive, but I doubt he's going to let them go over that sort of thing. Considering the metrics in the financial report, the things they were responsible for managing and pushing, like the Network and Merchandise, are down. They failed at their jobs given revenue and sales were down. It's going to be a ball of things that have led to this, and while trying to tell Vince how to manage his talent may be one of them, they wont be the only, or even the main thing. Yeah, but there's only so much the beancounters can do when the writers and marketing dept keep trying to sell customers on the idea that sucking down steaming manure is totally top-notch not-to-be-missed entertainment. If people aren't interested in the product, change the product, don't just make a public show of tokenistically firing executives. Especially if you ever expect the situation to improve beyond a short upward blip in the stock price.
Oh absolutely, the product is at fault, and that buck also stops with Vince, but the idea of evil Vince as sold (literally) to us by some news sites is a nice way to simplify much wider and potentially complicated business decisions around a poor financial result.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 6, 2020 18:06:18 GMT -5
WWE and Activision Blizzard in a race to the bottom. For the record, WWE is winning this race.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 6, 2020 22:07:23 GMT -5
This guy is insane. People who go down this road in business almost always find themselves in monumental trouble. You have to delegate, you have to prioritize, and above all else you have to trust people other than yourself.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 6, 2020 23:50:14 GMT -5
Imagine AEW just f***ing existing being the thing that causes WWE to blow the f*** up in some way, because that is the direction Vince seems to want to charge into full steam ahead.
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Post by Mike Strike on Feb 7, 2020 2:28:10 GMT -5
Imagine AEW just f***ing existing being the thing that causes WWE to blow the f*** up in some way, because that is the direction Vince seems to want to charge into full steam ahead. It is true tortoise and the hare, AEW might well outlast WWE simply by minding their own business at this rate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 4:53:09 GMT -5
I would say a dispute over financials is probably a key reason, but more than likely not the only one.
I do think anybody with any business sense at all though would be desperately trying to plug the holes in WWE's wallet though. They should be sitting on enough money to last them for decades but they spend money almost as fast as they make it because they just keep wasting funds on stupid shit, such as throwing millions of dollars at Gallows and Anderson solely so McIntyre could beat them in 30 seconds. Like... If that's how little you think of the talent, and you already have 800 other people on the payroll anyway, then it is in no way intelligent to give them that much money.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 7, 2020 5:54:27 GMT -5
I have to wonder. Now that TV and the Saudi shows as revenues meant to turn everything around have come, and they did not magically fix everything, what's the next thing they can pin unrealistic expectations on? With house shows trimmed back, are they still going to try to take NXT on the road like they keep hoping to do in order to increase NXT's earning potential?
I am sure that'd bring in more money, but it'd also make NXT even more expensive than it already is, I imagine, and could therefore only make the problem worse.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Feb 7, 2020 8:12:48 GMT -5
I have to wonder. Now that TV and the Saudi shows as revenues meant to turn everything around have come, and they did not magically fix everything, what's the next thing they can pin unrealistic expectations on? With house shows trimmed back, are they still going to try to take NXT on the road like they keep hoping to do in order to increase NXT's earning potential? I am sure that'd bring in more money, but it'd also make NXT even more expensive than it already is, I imagine, and could therefore only make the problem worse. Maybe they create more super shows somewhere. Remove B level PPV's and have the big 4, maybe 4 B levels and 4 super shows. Streamline more money in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 8:45:15 GMT -5
The new "it's such good shit".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 8:47:59 GMT -5
Yeah, but there's only so much the beancounters can do when the writers and marketing dept keep trying to sell customers on the idea that sucking down steaming manure is totally top-notch not-to-be-missed entertainment. If people aren't interested in the product, change the product, don't just make a public show of tokenistically firing executives. Especially if you ever expect the situation to improve beyond a short upward blip in the stock price.
Oh absolutely, the product is at fault, and that buck also stops with Vince, but the idea of evil Vince as sold (literally) to us by some news sites is a nice way to simplify much wider and potentially complicated business decisions around a poor financial result. Where are we looking at him as evil? Incompetent, yes. Fiscally irresponsible, yes. But evil? Where the hell are you getting this?
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