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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 4, 2020 19:42:04 GMT -5
Like in the mold of a Jericho, or a Jay White. I’m so bored of “nice girl vs. generic mean girl” feuds and soapy romance junk. The one great heel they’ve got is Baszler playing a monster. But I want to see some WWE women (metaphorically) show ass and look like buffoons the same way the male legends did. Beg off, do some Flair Flops.
I’m hoping maybe Chelsea Green can deliver.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2020 19:54:22 GMT -5
This is what The IIconics are for, but then they just stopped being booked altogether for some reason.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 4, 2020 19:58:41 GMT -5
Ruby just cane back. She should be a face but she’s a goof dirtbag.
Maybe she’ll put a fathead of Lana and Lashley on a table and put Liv through it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 4, 2020 20:02:43 GMT -5
This is what The IIconics are for, but then they just stopped being booked altogether for some reason. They should have easily been showcased more in that role. I know they’re not top-tier workers, but weaknesses can be hidden. Ive seen Maria Kanellis play a great Bobby Heenan style manager who can work comedy matches, and they just don’t use her. And she’s hilarious. She could easily be a foil to sic goons on Becky and Charlotte, and they always kick her ass in the end.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 4, 2020 20:18:41 GMT -5
This is what The IIconics are for, but then they just stopped being booked altogether for some reason. They should have easily been showcased more in that role. I know they’re not top-tier workers, but weaknesses can be hidden. Ive seen Maria Kanellis play a great Bobby Heenan style manager who can work comedy matches, and they just don’t use her. And she’s hilarious. She could easily be a foil to sic goons on Becky and Charlotte, and they always kick her ass in the end. Part of the issue with Maria is... she's been pregnant for like most of her time with the company.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 4, 2020 20:23:57 GMT -5
They should have easily been showcased more in that role. I know they’re not top-tier workers, but weaknesses can be hidden. Ive seen Maria Kanellis play a great Bobby Heenan style manager who can work comedy matches, and they just don’t use her. And she’s hilarious. She could easily be a foil to sic goons on Becky and Charlotte, and they always kick her ass in the end. Part of the issue with Maria is... she's been pregnant for like most of her time with the company. Shit, I totally forgot about that. But I still want to see her showcased in that role down the road.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 4, 2020 20:24:28 GMT -5
Come to think of it they've never really had a heel in the women's division who was just a scumbag and downright evil ala 1992 Jake or 1999 Bossman. It seemed like they were kind of going in that direction with Ruby but after the Natalya feud it really didn't go anywhere. I guess heel Becky was also going in that direction but that didn't really have a chance due to the crowd not wanting to boo her. It would definitely be refreshing if they would go with a character like that. With the heel women they really only know how to book three characters. Bratty mean girl (Alexa, Carmella), hot vain girl (Mandy, Lana), or bigger girl who is a bully because she's big (Nia, Tamina).
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Post by King (Super) Dragunov on Feb 4, 2020 22:01:55 GMT -5
Come to think of it they've never really had a heel in the women's division who was just a scumbag and downright evil ala 1992 Jake or 1999 Bossman. It seemed like they were kind of going in that direction with Ruby but after the Natalya feud it really didn't go anywhere. I guess heel Becky was also going in that direction but that didn't really have a chance due to the crowd not wanting to boo her. It would definitely be refreshing if they would go with a character like that. With the heel women they really only know how to book three characters. Bratty mean girl (Alexa, Carmella), hot vain girl (Mandy, Lana), or bigger girl who is a bully because she's big (Nia, Tamina). Honestly to me the closest we got in WWE was Victoria. I think had they gone all in on her being vicious and evil she could've been an even bigger star due to standing out from the pack more than she already did. But that could be bias since she was my favorite back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:10:43 GMT -5
They definitely need to elevate someone outside of the usual suspects that are taken seriously.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 4, 2020 22:14:01 GMT -5
Come to think of it they've never really had a heel in the women's division who was just a scumbag and downright evil ala 1992 Jake or 1999 Bossman. It seemed like they were kind of going in that direction with Ruby but after the Natalya feud it really didn't go anywhere. I guess heel Becky was also going in that direction but that didn't really have a chance due to the crowd not wanting to boo her. It would definitely be refreshing if they would go with a character like that. With the heel women they really only know how to book three characters. Bratty mean girl (Alexa, Carmella), hot vain girl (Mandy, Lana), or bigger girl who is a bully because she's big (Nia, Tamina). Honestly to me the closest we got in WWE was Victoria. I think had they gone all in on her being vicious and evil she could've been an even bigger star due to standing out from the pack more than she already did. But that could be bias since she was my favorite back in the day. What did they end up doing with it? Honestly I really didn't start giving a crap about women's wrestling until probably about 2015 when the wrestlers started getting better and they started putting more of an emphasis on it, so up until that point my memory is kind of hazy when it comes to a lot of the storylines and characters. When it comes to Victoria I remember her being a pyscho heel then her randomly becoming a happy dancing girl face and then the end of her run where it seemed like she was just always jobbing and putting over girls like the Bellas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:18:35 GMT -5
Main Event caliber IIconics is the thing I want to see. Still the same as before, but actually getting wins over Charlotte's of the World.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 4, 2020 22:27:26 GMT -5
Shayna Baszler during her dominant run was kind of a dirtbag heel.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 4, 2020 23:06:28 GMT -5
Main Event caliber IIconics is the thing I want to see. Still the same as before, but actually getting wins over Charlotte's of the World. I'd rather WWE change their damn presentation so someone doesn't have to be an absolute annihilator of everything to be seen as important. Literally every other company can have people not be on TV every week and not win every single match they're in, and people still buy them as important. We need THAT in WWE, where right now someone can win 80% of their career televised matches (Asuka) and STILL somehow be seen as a piece of shit joke.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 5, 2020 6:53:15 GMT -5
Shayna Baszler during her dominant run was kind of a dirtbag heel. Not really, she was more of a destroyer/bully. When I say “dirtbag” it means I’m looking for the women’s Sammy Guevara, or the female Col. Parker or Jimmy Hart. The kind of heel characters you look at and think “you goof, I can’t wait for you to get your ass kicked”, and then it happens. Only Kairi Sane when she helps Asuka is anywhere close to that nowadays.
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Post by auph10imitated on Feb 5, 2020 10:14:32 GMT -5
Carmella played the role well in 2018. Skimming the list I cant really see anyone else suited to the role.
I guess Chelsea Green with Robbie E comes the closest given the look of her character.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 5, 2020 10:16:17 GMT -5
We need someone who's a good worker but also a cheating scumbag (and no, I don't count Asuka just because she mists people). Carmella and the IIconics have their place but I would love someone who can be a Flair/Hunter type wrestler who can work while also being a cheat.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 5, 2020 10:18:40 GMT -5
We need someone who's a good worker but also a cheating scumbag (and no, I don't count Asuka just because she mists people). Carmella and the IIconics have their place but I would love someone who can be a Flair/Hunter type wrestler who can work while also being a cheat. Would Banks and Bayley in their current form apply here, or are they in one of the other categories?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 5, 2020 10:23:04 GMT -5
Shayna Baszler during her dominant run was kind of a dirtbag heel. Not really, she was more of a destroyer/bully. When I say “dirtbag” it means I’m looking for the women’s Sammy Guevara, or the female Col. Parker or Jimmy Hart. The kind of heel characters you look at and think “you goof, I can’t wait for you to get your ass kicked”, and then it happens. Only Kairi Sane when she helps Asuka is anywhere close to that nowadays. I'm mostly thinking "Roddy Piper" when I think dirtbag heel. An absolute brash loudmouth who doesn't really have a whole lot of technical skill to back up their mouth, but can rile people up, brawls like a bastard, and cheats like an absolute Motherf***er. The Iiconics are a bit too goofy, IMO.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Feb 5, 2020 11:46:42 GMT -5
Not really, she was more of a destroyer/bully. When I say “dirtbag” it means I’m looking for the women’s Sammy Guevara, or the female Col. Parker or Jimmy Hart. The kind of heel characters you look at and think “you goof, I can’t wait for you to get your ass kicked”, and then it happens. Only Kairi Sane when she helps Asuka is anywhere close to that nowadays. I'm mostly thinking "Roddy Piper" when I think dirtbag heel. An absolute brash loudmouth who doesn't really have a whole lot of technical skill to back up their mouth, but can rile people up, brawls like a bastard, and cheats like an absolute Motherf***er. The Iiconics are a bit too goofy, IMO. I genuinely don’t think there is a woman wrestler like that. At least not in the US. I would like one though.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 5, 2020 12:21:06 GMT -5
We need someone who's a good worker but also a cheating scumbag (and no, I don't count Asuka just because she mists people). Carmella and the IIconics have their place but I would love someone who can be a Flair/Hunter type wrestler who can work while also being a cheat. Would Banks and Bayley in their current form apply here, or are they in one of the other categories? I love both of them to death, but occasionally their writing felt kinda “mean girl” at times. I want women’s Memphis heels, hiding foreign objects behind the ref’s back and their boots on the ropes on a pinball.
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