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Post by horsemen4ever on Apr 12, 2020 18:54:00 GMT -5
So there is a narrative the whole Pillman gun home invasion of Raw was going to far, and was controversal, no arguements there. But I don't hear the same backlash from the Austin hold McMahon hostage on Raw.
So how come one time they get away with it, and the other time they don't. Both epsiodes invovled gun fire.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 12, 2020 18:56:05 GMT -5
I guess because the second one was just a prank.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Apr 12, 2020 18:56:57 GMT -5
Wasn't Austin's gun a "Bang Flag" gun?
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 12, 2020 19:18:15 GMT -5
IIRC, there were a lot of people unhappy with the Austin 'gun' angle at the time, but yeah, that it ended up a joke gun mitigated it.
The one I find flies under the radar a bunch is a bunch of cops pulling guns on Hogan at Spring Stampede when he tries attacking Russo. I mean, sure, WCW wasn't hitting WWF's heights by then but it was still important enough that you'd have figured it'd draw some bad headlines.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Apr 12, 2020 19:36:43 GMT -5
Because Austin's gun wasn't real in the end.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 12, 2020 20:01:58 GMT -5
The Pillman one was a major tonal shift that signaled WWF's move towards more edgy content. Austin threatening Vince came well into the Attitude Era, when we were already getting Kaientai trying to castrate Val Venis, and was more par for the course.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Apr 12, 2020 21:53:05 GMT -5
Because Austin's gun wasn't real in the end. But what about the pee? |
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 12, 2020 21:57:05 GMT -5
Because Austin's gun wasn't real in the end. But what about the pee? With Vince's love of toilet humor, I would not be surprised at all if he really pissed himself for that bit. Vince also has zero problem looking like a fool on tv and in feuds. Too bad that trait skipped Stephanie. Shane got it though. Maybe it's only the McMahon men who carry that gene. |
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Post by Shark on Apr 12, 2020 22:50:08 GMT -5
With Vince's love of toilet humor, I would not be surprised at all if he really pissed himself for that bit. Vince also has zero problem looking like a fool on tv and in feuds. Too bad that trait skipped Stephanie. Shane got it though. Maybe it's only the McMahon men who carry that gene. She spent a good 18 months being called a slut my multiple wrestlers, had packed arenas chant about her being a ho, did entire segments where her breast implants were made fun of, got her shirt ripped off, and got beaten up several times usually by men. We can't act like she's never let herself be made to look foolish. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it has never happened. Even in recent years, she got her ass kicked by Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania and got thrown in mud(?) by Vickie. |
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Post by somsta on Apr 12, 2020 23:56:36 GMT -5
Because Austin's gun wasn't real in the end. But what about the pee? That was working pee. |
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Apr 13, 2020 1:54:20 GMT -5
With Vince's love of toilet humor, I would not be surprised at all if he really pissed himself for that bit. Vince also has zero problem looking like a fool on tv and in feuds. Too bad that trait skipped Stephanie. Shane got it though. Maybe it's only the McMahon men who carry that gene. She spent a good 18 months being called a slut my multiple wrestlers, had packed arenas chant about her being a ho, did entire segments where her breast implants were made fun of, got her shirt ripped off, and got beaten up several times usually by men. We can't act like she's never let herself be made to look foolish. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it has never happened. Even in recent years, she got her ass kicked by Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania and got thrown in mud(?) by Vickie. Yeah.. But she never pissed her pants... I remember my mum thinking it was too much when Austin held a gun to McMahon's head, even when it turned out to be a prank. I can't imagine her reaction had she seen the Pillman gun angle. They were both played out so differently, and in different contexts and settings. What put the Pillman angle of the top was that Austin broke in to Pillman's House. It wasn't in the middle of the ring. |
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Post by Shark on Apr 13, 2020 2:30:10 GMT -5
She spent a good 18 months being called a slut my multiple wrestlers, had packed arenas chant about her being a ho, did entire segments where her breast implants were made fun of, got her shirt ripped off, and got beaten up several times usually by men. We can't act like she's never let herself be made to look foolish. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it has never happened. Even in recent years, she got her ass kicked by Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania and got thrown in mud(?) by Vickie. Yeah.. But she never pissed her pants... I remember my mum thinking it was too much when Austin held a gun to McMahon's head, even when it turned out to be a prank. I can't imagine her reaction had she seen the Pillman gun angle. They were both played out so differently, and in different contexts and settings. What put the Pillman angle of the top was that Austin broke in to Pillman's House. It wasn't in the middle of the ring. Funny enough, I remember jokes about that stemming from the segment where Stephanie wanted Bryan to relinquish the title and Brie slapped her and Stephanie ran away and the shadow on her dress made it seem like there was a dark stain on the seat of her dress. So maybe she did lol They had to censor the gun to get away with that angle. That's how extreme it was at the time. |
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 13, 2020 2:52:17 GMT -5
Yeah.. But she never pissed her pants... I remember my mum thinking it was too much when Austin held a gun to McMahon's head, even when it turned out to be a prank. I can't imagine her reaction had she seen the Pillman gun angle. They were both played out so differently, and in different contexts and settings. What put the Pillman angle of the top was that Austin broke in to Pillman's House. It wasn't in the middle of the ring. Funny enough, I remember jokes about that stemming from the segment where Stephanie wanted Bryan to relinquish the title and Brie slapped her and Stephanie ran away and the shadow on her dress made it seem like there was a dark stain on the seat of her dress. So maybe she did lol They had to censor the gun to get away with that angle. That's how extreme it was at the time. They can always go back and change the gun to a walkie-talkie. 😁 |
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Apr 13, 2020 3:50:22 GMT -5
I found both storylines stupid as hell at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 5:13:09 GMT -5
Wasn't Austin's gun a "Bang Flag" gun? The old man took a leak in his pants 'cause of that bang gun!  |
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Post by Andee9001 on Apr 13, 2020 5:52:40 GMT -5
She spent a good 18 months being called a slut my multiple wrestlers, had packed arenas chant about her being a ho, did entire segments where her breast implants were made fun of, got her shirt ripped off, and got beaten up several times usually by men. We can't act like she's never let herself be made to look foolish. Just because it doesn't happen now doesn't mean it has never happened. Even in recent years, she got her ass kicked by Ronda Rousey at Wrestlemania and got thrown in mud(?) by Vickie. Yeah.. But she never pissed her pants... I remember my mum thinking it was too much when Austin held a gun to McMahon's head, even when it turned out to be a prank. I can't imagine her reaction had she seen the Pillman gun angle. They were both played out so differently, and in different contexts and settings. What put the Pillman angle of the top was that Austin broke in to Pillman's House. It wasn't in the middle of the ring. Didnt Vickie throw up on her? Not piss but still bodily |
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Apr 13, 2020 6:07:38 GMT -5
I remember the Austin segment having a rare bit of foreshadowing, as early on in the show they had a segment where Steve was talking to a security guard outside the arena and saying something to effect as "Hey check out this toy I brought" (Talking about the gun) which Steve did a call back to at the end of the show. "I said it was only a toy!"
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 13, 2020 6:21:25 GMT -5
They also had Austin fire a net gun at Nash once. It was weird.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 13, 2020 6:34:40 GMT -5
The Austin segment was in 1998. That's about all I can really say there for why it was seen as okay. It hit at the time where it was an acceptable kind of edgy, but six months before the Columbine shootings happened. If it had been later on the take, it would be remembered for far more backlash than the Pillman angle ever got. But the '90s was when culture began to evolve very rapidly year-on-year and drastic changes were always right around the corner, so there's a lot about differing attitudes even before you get into the specific contexts of each segment and how they were treated with radically different levels of gravity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 6:42:56 GMT -5
I was thinking this one day if children's toys have that much of a wide selection of weapons and add ons in 'em as say 20 years ago?  Isn't the whole guns thing in USA pretty popular stance anyways? I don't think guns in wrestling would be that controversial. I kind of see some character holding one as a prop, why not Hangman Page with revolver? Big E with bazookas and granades. |
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Isn't the whole guns thing in USA pretty popular stance anyways? I don't think guns in wrestling would be that controversial. I kind of see some character holding one as a prop, why not Hangman Page with revolver? Big E with bazookas and granades.