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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 3, 2020 18:27:03 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez reported on Observer Live that several released wrestlers have been offered deals to come back to WWE but at a fraction of what they were previously making. Shock of shocks, nothing about what WWE did was out of necessity or financial concerns, but as a shitty 'bargaining' tool to pay people less. WWE contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Don’t think it was done with the intention of being a bargaining tool, it was likely done with the intention of making it look to the shareholders that they were doing something to address the pandemic/canceled events to try and meet their Q2 projections.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 3, 2020 18:45:03 GMT -5
Shock of shocks, nothing about what WWE did was out of necessity or financial concerns, but as a shitty 'bargaining' tool to pay people less. WWE contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Don’t think it was done with the intention of being a bargaining tool, it was likely done with the intention of making it look to the shareholders that they were doing something to address the pandemic/canceled events to try and meet their Q2 projections. If they're lowballing people on return offers I have literally no idea how "this isn't a bargaining tool" can come into it at all. If they were really just looking to placate shareholders around the time period why bring them back now for way less money if they aren't trying to f*** them?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 3, 2020 18:59:12 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez reported on Observer Live that several released wrestlers have been offered deals to come back to WWE but at a fraction of what they were previously making. Gonna imagine most of them will decline because at this point they can just do better elsewhere when this is over. I do hope they re-sign Maverick though, otherwise the PR backfire they'll have of making the whole tournament about him is not gonna be pretty, Yeah considering most people wanted out anyways im not expecting much. To keep this short I will just keep saying this... this is why you don't sign people just so nobody else can have them
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Post by Andee9001 on Jun 3, 2020 19:21:03 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez reported on Observer Live that several released wrestlers have been offered deals to come back to WWE but at a fraction of what they were previously making. Gonna imagine most of them will decline because at this point they can just do better elsewhere when this is over. I do hope they re-sign Maverick though, otherwise the PR backfire they'll have of making the whole tournament about him is not gonna be pretty, Just to take the scum factor out of this but if they are going to book it around him, make him a bigger star and then let him go then from a creative stand point that would be so dumb. Of course that's what will happen.
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Post by eJm on Jun 3, 2020 21:49:44 GMT -5
Gonna imagine most of them will decline because at this point they can just do better elsewhere when this is over. I do hope they re-sign Maverick though, otherwise the PR backfire they'll have of making the whole tournament about him is not gonna be pretty, Just to take the scum factor out of this but if they are going to book it around him, make him a bigger star and then let him go then from a creative stand point that would be so dumb. Of course that's what will happen. But the Heat, though.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 3, 2020 22:00:43 GMT -5
Bryan Alvarez reported on Observer Live that several released wrestlers have been offered deals to come back to WWE but at a fraction of what they were previously making. Vince McMahon is an evil, spineless, simple-minded worm. He doesn't deserve to be called human.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jun 3, 2020 23:31:55 GMT -5
This is becoming less of a discussion about the cuts than it is a WWE BAD! thread.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 4, 2020 1:09:48 GMT -5
This is becoming less of a discussion about the cuts than it is a WWE BAD! thread. You can't discuss the cuts without discussing the horrible decisions the company has made in the middle of a pandemic.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 4, 2020 1:18:53 GMT -5
Something to chew on here. WWE could have easily emphasized how much they were saving from the COVID changes. They aren't buying and setting off pyro. They are using the same two facilities, which doesn't require them to tear down the sets/ring and truck them to a different town four times a week. All of these little things are amounting to quite a savings.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 4, 2020 4:04:12 GMT -5
This is becoming less of a discussion about the cuts than it is a WWE BAD! thread. Then maybe WWE should stop being bad and stop doing bad things.
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Post by PKO on Jun 4, 2020 4:21:17 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what kind of 'bonus' Vince gives himself this year. This is what really gets me. People getting fired, taking pay cuts...will anything have changed for Vince?
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Post by eJm on Jun 4, 2020 4:57:08 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what kind of 'bonus' Vince gives himself this year. This is what really gets me. People getting fired, taking pay cuts...will anything have changed for Vince? Considering the amount of businesses that still paid their bonuses regardless of the circumstances surrounding the rest of the business...yeah...
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 4, 2020 6:18:03 GMT -5
This is what really gets me. People getting fired, taking pay cuts...will anything have changed for Vince? Considering the amount of businesses that still paid their bonuses regardless of the circumstances surrounding the rest of the business...yeah... Corporate America, you gotta love it. Employees can be fired, employees can take pay cuts or lose bonuses, the company could go under sinking the retirements for those employees, but the CEOs and the like still get their massive bonuses.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 4, 2020 6:32:37 GMT -5
This isn’t a WWE thing, this is corporate in general
If you work in corporate America you will have seen this for yourself already threw this pandemic
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 4, 2020 8:05:42 GMT -5
Don’t think it was done with the intention of being a bargaining tool, it was likely done with the intention of making it look to the shareholders that they were doing something to address the pandemic/canceled events to try and meet their Q2 projections. If they're lowballing people on return offers I have literally no idea how "this isn't a bargaining tool" can come into it at all. If they were really just looking to placate shareholders around the time period why bring them back now for way less money if they aren't trying to f*** them? I was just saying that I don’t think the original intent was to use it as a negotiating tool. They didn’t need to wait for a pandemic to hit to cut people and then try to re-sign them, they could’ve done that at any point. WWE contracts are essentially rolling 90-day contracts, they’re not fully guaranteed. More like an NFL contract than an MLB contract.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 4, 2020 8:13:26 GMT -5
Just to take the scum factor out of this but if they are going to book it around him, make him a bigger star and then let him go then from a creative stand point that would be so dumb. Of course that's what will happen. But the Heat, though.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 4, 2020 9:06:53 GMT -5
If they're lowballing people on return offers I have literally no idea how "this isn't a bargaining tool" can come into it at all. If they were really just looking to placate shareholders around the time period why bring them back now for way less money if they aren't trying to f*** them? I was just saying that I don’t think the original intent was to use it as a negotiating tool. They didn’t need to wait for a pandemic to hit to cut people and then try to re-sign them, they could’ve done that at any point. WWE contracts are essentially rolling 90-day contracts, they’re not fully guaranteed. More like an NFL contract than an MLB contract. Releasing people in a healthy climate means they can go entertain other offers from strong companies running shows, or get indie bookings and start to rebuild their careers. Dropping people off in a wrestling business where barely any companies are running shows and their purse strings are tightened means the majority of the people cut won't have offers to go somewhere else, which means once that 90 day no-compete clause runs out they have no income. They didn't need to wait for a pandemic to cut people, but the pandemic means they can cut people and then lowball them on return offers when they don't have any other options, and the lowballing is a part your posts keep not addressing. If there was no intention to lowball people why are they intentionally lowballing people?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 4, 2020 9:11:23 GMT -5
I was just saying that I don’t think the original intent was to use it as a negotiating tool. They didn’t need to wait for a pandemic to hit to cut people and then try to re-sign them, they could’ve done that at any point. WWE contracts are essentially rolling 90-day contracts, they’re not fully guaranteed. More like an NFL contract than an MLB contract. Releasing people in a healthy climate means they can go entertain other offers from strong companies running shows, or get indie bookings and start to rebuild their careers. Dropping people off in a wrestling business where barely any companies are running shows and their purse strings are tightened means the majority of the people cut won't have offers to go somewhere else, which means once that 90 day no-compete clause runs out they have no income. They didn't need to wait for a pandemic to cut people, but the pandemic means they can cut people and then lowball them on return offers when they don't have any other options, and the lowballing is a part your posts keep not addressing. If there was no intention to lowball people why are they intentionally lowballing people? I said no intention to use it as a bargaining tool. Now that they may be interested in signing talent, they’re probably offering what they think each person is worth (hard to tell what lowball means here, and who exactly is being offered what). WWE can be accused of a lot of things but I don’t think you can accuse them of being cheap when it comes to talent, outside of the pandemic. All reports the last few years have been that they have been signing low-tier, barely used talent to huge money deals and then never cutting anyone. I see what you’re saying about offering people lower money deals when there are less options available, though. The contracts run out on what, July 15th? I think more companies will be running by then so hopefully they aren’t “forced” to accept the lowball offers. Rumors are that Impact will be signing some of them. And I’m sure the higher-tier talent like Rusev and Gallows and Anderson won’t be hurting for offers. Have we heard anyone accepting the lowball offers? I guess Maverick is the only confirmed re-signing with Angle as someone that’s near.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 4, 2020 9:39:08 GMT -5
This is becoming less of a discussion about the cuts than it is a WWE BAD! thread. So... you're mad that we're not, praising them for cutting people in the middle of a pandemic?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jun 4, 2020 10:29:17 GMT -5
Releasing people in a healthy climate means they can go entertain other offers from strong companies running shows, or get indie bookings and start to rebuild their careers. Dropping people off in a wrestling business where barely any companies are running shows and their purse strings are tightened means the majority of the people cut won't have offers to go somewhere else, which means once that 90 day no-compete clause runs out they have no income. They didn't need to wait for a pandemic to cut people, but the pandemic means they can cut people and then lowball them on return offers when they don't have any other options, and the lowballing is a part your posts keep not addressing. If there was no intention to lowball people why are they intentionally lowballing people? I said no intention to use it as a bargaining tool. Now that they may be interested in signing talent, they’re probably offering what they think each person is worth (hard to tell what lowball means here, and who exactly is being offered what). WWE can be accused of a lot of things but I don’t think you can accuse them of being cheap when it comes to talent, outside of the pandemic. All reports the last few years have been that they have been signing low-tier, barely used talent to huge money deals and then never cutting anyone. I see what you’re saying about offering people lower money deals when there are less options available, though. The contracts run out on what, July 15th? I think more companies will be running by then so hopefully they aren’t “forced” to accept the lowball offers. Rumors are that Impact will be signing some of them. And I’m sure the higher-tier talent like Rusev and Gallows and Anderson won’t be hurting for offers. Have we heard anyone accepting the lowball offers? I guess Maverick is the only confirmed re-signing with Angle as someone that’s near. You're so close to understanding the point I'm trying to illustrate here that it's really killing me here. Yes, WWE has for a long time been really sloppy with money. Then, they fired a bunch of people in a shitty predicament and are reportedly offering to brign them back for more You can splice down to the most bare semantics possible but the only way to read their intentions is to look at their actions. Of course some people are going to be picked up elsewhere. But how many companies can make offers in a healthy position right now? How many places will be paying them before shows can start? How many people can afford to wait for shows to start when they have families to feed and bills to pay? There's going to be people who slip through the net, that doesn't disprove the core idea behind doing this. "This slimy thing wasn't their chief motivation but it's a thing they're doing" isn't actually better in any way? It's not really provable that they didn't plan this in the first place but I don't see how it becomes acceptable if it's just a happy by-product.
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