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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 13:34:29 GMT -5
There's also incentives. Getting a real stimulus package that isn't insulting as well as barely helpful would have done wonders. A lot of these people would have been much more willing to go along with what's needed if those checks were $3-4000 each and not $1200, with no promise there'll be a second one. You and I are talking two different things. I’m talking about state level responses. I don’t question whether the federal response has been the drizzling shits (like anyone could question that). Yes, that stimulus bill was really pathetic. The fact that only 5% of the small businesses that applied for aid got anything before the small business aid program ran out of money was unconscionable. Perhaps Mnuchin could use some of the $4.5T he was given for large corporations to give money to a bank servicing small businesses, but I doubt they will do it. Different but connected at the hip. We're the "United" States. That's the key word. Every state, all levels of government. The package being more in-line with reality would have relieved a lot of the hindrances coming from the state level. Would have put more people at ease, more prepared to wait things out and allowed the states to do what they need to do without trying to figure out how to handle the Stupids as well.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2020 13:49:43 GMT -5
I'm just glad that in my state, people have generally been doing the social distancing stuff without being complete morons about it. Well, I guess there have been isolated pockets of it *cough*LAKEWOOD*cough* but for the most part, we've been doing our part. And I've been really impressed by our governor and how he and the state and county governments, on both sides of the political spectrum, have risen to the challenge even with our state being more hard hit by the virus than any other except for New York. Go figure that it's New Jersey, of all states, that the rest of the country should look to as an example of how to treat other people, given our (usually deserved) reputation.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 13:53:14 GMT -5
I'm just glad that in my state, people have generally been doing the social distancing stuff without being complete morons about it. Well, I guess there have been isolated pockets of it *cough*LAKEWOOD*cough* but for the most part, we've been doing our part. And I've been really impressed by our governor and how he and the state and county governments, on both sides of the political spectrum, have risen to the challenge even with our state being more hard hit by the virus than any other except for New York. Go figure that it's New Jersey, of all states, that the rest of the country should look to as an example of how to treat other people, given our (usually deserved) reputation.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2020 14:08:22 GMT -5
New Jersey's twitter account is a national treasure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 14:13:28 GMT -5
Will the NY twitter account throw the NJ one into the East River?
I ain't sayin' it's gonna happen but...
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 19, 2020 14:29:40 GMT -5
I'm just glad that in my state, people have generally been doing the social distancing stuff without being complete morons about it. Well, I guess there have been isolated pockets of it *cough*LAKEWOOD*cough* but for the most part, we've been doing our part. And I've been really impressed by our governor and how he and the state and county governments, on both sides of the political spectrum, have risen to the challenge even with our state being more hard hit by the virus than any other except for New York. Go figure that it's New Jersey, of all states, that the rest of the country should look to as an example of how to treat other people, given our (usually deserved) reputation. Sadly it sounds like we had a small version of one of the idiotic "protests" about this in Jersey City the other day, but in terms of day to day life? Things are being handled pretty well around here. Stores have "this direction only" signs in each aisle, there's spaces to wait in before you check out, places that can avoid having people in or are able to limit how many are in the building are doing so, etc. Plus, I'm seeing more and more masks being used, at least makeshift ones. Basically, we're taking this stuff seriously around here.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2020 14:34:18 GMT -5
I'm just glad that in my state, people have generally been doing the social distancing stuff without being complete morons about it. Well, I guess there have been isolated pockets of it *cough*LAKEWOOD*cough* but for the most part, we've been doing our part. And I've been really impressed by our governor and how he and the state and county governments, on both sides of the political spectrum, have risen to the challenge even with our state being more hard hit by the virus than any other except for New York. Go figure that it's New Jersey, of all states, that the rest of the country should look to as an example of how to treat other people, given our (usually deserved) reputation. Sadly it sounds like we had a small version of one of the idiotic "protests" about this in Jersey City the other day, but in terms of day to day life? Things are being handled pretty well around here. Stores have "this direction only" signs in each aisle, there's spaces to wait in before you check out, places that can avoid having people in or are able to limit how many are in the building are doing so, etc. Plus, I'm seeing more and more masks being used, at least makeshift ones. Basically, we're taking this stuff seriously around here. My local Walmart is outright throwing people out of the store if they don't wear masks.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 19, 2020 14:45:57 GMT -5
You might’ve noticed that a lot of advertisements on TV are relatively same-ish since the pandemic hit. How similar? Some guy on YouTube put together a supercut of Covid ads.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2020 15:31:22 GMT -5
You might’ve noticed that a lot of advertisements on TV are relatively same-ish since the pandemic hit. How similar? Some guy on YouTube put together a supercut of Covid ads. This is how teachers must feel when the class copies each other's homework but makes slight changes.
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Post by Fade on Apr 19, 2020 15:48:05 GMT -5
You might’ve noticed that a lot of advertisements on TV are relatively same-ish since the pandemic hit. How similar? Some guy on YouTube put together a supercut of Covid ads. They acted fast too.
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Post by jagilki on Apr 19, 2020 15:51:39 GMT -5
So. I haven't said this outside of the mod room. I've been on dialysis since his December or so. Maybe earlier?.... It's all a blur. For me that means about a 75 mile trip there, then the same home three days a week.
As far as personal experience with covid. My county in Wyoming has still to report a case, but I suspect our testing is extremely lax.
I've developed cataracts in both eyes. To the point I can barely see. Was supposed to have surgery this month, but y'know elective.
I haven't done any kind of shopping when in Rapid City so can't speak as to a walmart, target, etc. Have gone grocery shopping here in town. About 50 50 on the good social distancing while there. Most people seem to be good with it, but run into a few who don't.
Seems everybody does when in the checkout line.
I've been told a few of the people at dialysis have been hospitalized for it, but none on my run (I know of at least).
Don't know why I'm posting all this.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 19, 2020 17:07:28 GMT -5
If you want an idea just how much of a mess the federal handling of this situation has been, I have an account given by the New England Journal of Medicine, which is hardly a reactionary source. To give background to the story they tell, you need to understand that while the edict from the Trump Administration says that the individual states are responsible for procuring all necessary medical supplies. The Federal reserves of said supplies, put together and maintained by previous administrations for use during disasters, are not for use by the states. Yes, they really said that as though this nation is anything but a collection of states. I'd say that must mean that the reserves are only for the District of Columbia and the various US territories, but the citizens of Puerto Rico know damned well that US territories don't get such supplies from this administration.
To make matters worse, not only do the states and local hospitals have to procure these supplies during a crisis without federal support, which makes them subjected to horrendous price gouging; they also have to deal with the same federal government that won't help them coming and taking away their supplies that they paid for, seemingly without compensation.
Now that I have laid that out for you, here is an account from a local hospital administrator as published by the NEJoM
What a f***ing mess.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2020 17:25:06 GMT -5
We've all seen the Twitter screenshots of the Fed changing the website description of what the reserves were suppoed to be overnight to fit what the Trumps had described them as. We've always known that the government has been screwing us for corporations and backers for many years. But now they're outright operating like the mafia. We're gonna take what we want, but you're on your own.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 19, 2020 18:08:23 GMT -5
Seems like the 5ish real old girl running around the liquor store dishing out high fives to people, she appeared to know them, probably isn’t practicing social distancing.
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Post by hassanchop on Apr 19, 2020 20:30:59 GMT -5
YouTuber Mr Enter shares his lockdown story
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 19, 2020 20:35:27 GMT -5
I had a good laugh at the president going off on Sweden considering a ton of his sycophants in the media have been hyping them up for the past few weeks because of their (supposed)laid back response to the pandemic.
If anyone actually looks at what Sweden is doing, they'll realize that they're really not doing anything all THAT different from the other countries in Europe. But, Americans love to weirdly use Sweden for political points.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Apr 19, 2020 21:12:13 GMT -5
I just saw pictures of the beaches opened. You'd think none of this shit ever happened. Unbelievably irresponsible. They're gonna be the next New York, and either they just don't get it or they just don't care. I feel like this is going to inevitably get worse. And not by the natural spread and different timelines of different parts of the country getting exposed. I feel like this is the most vigilant we'll be, and this is the most people will be out of work. This is probably the longest most people will stay inside, or can afford to stay inside. The potential second wave could get really bad. I'm assuming you're referring to the pictures we've seen at a Jacksonville beach in the media. A couple of things to realize: 1. A closer look at the picture shows that, even with as many people are on the beach, they're keeping a pretty decent amount of distance from each other. 2. New York is having the issues they are because of population density. People are packed in to the city. Not to mention the fact that people are still using the Subway even now. Big, big difference between that and a wide open beach.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 21:39:28 GMT -5
1. A closer look at the picture shows that, even with as many people are on the beach, they're keeping a pretty decent amount of distance from each other. This is a picture from said beach: So no, you can clearly see there's not six feet between or any other kind of distance between that string of people along the shore stretching down all the way. And another: Here's a different image from just as they were coming on to the beach: Not one damned mask to be seen. Not one. Sorry, images show fact on this.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2020 21:42:22 GMT -5
I just saw pictures of the beaches opened. You'd think none of this shit ever happened. Unbelievably irresponsible. They're gonna be the next New York, and either they just don't get it or they just don't care. I feel like this is going to inevitably get worse. And not by the natural spread and different timelines of different parts of the country getting exposed. I feel like this is the most vigilant we'll be, and this is the most people will be out of work. This is probably the longest most people will stay inside, or can afford to stay inside. The potential second wave could get really bad. I'm assuming you're referring to the pictures we've seen at Jacksonville Beach in the media. A few things to realize: 1. A closer look at the picture shows that, even with as many people are on the beach, they're keeping a pretty decent amount of distance from each other. 2. Most of the people in the picture are locals. So, the likelihood is that you won't see a large transmission of cases that may come from there going out of state. 3. New York is having the issues they are because of population density. People are packed in to the city. Not to mention the fact that people are still using the Subway even now. I'm not alluding to the distance, which seemed fine in the pictures I saw. I'm talking about not one wearing a mask and basically just walking through where dozens of people just were. Granted, some of that risk is mitigated outdoors, it's still playing with fire. There's so much goddamn land in this country, it's crazy to me that a time where people should be distancing and not gathering that everyone is still dumb enough to go to the same place. And it's not a case like grocery stores where everyone needs food. People want to be on the beach, it's hardly a necessity. My second paragraph is separate. I'm not saying that this beach excursion is going to kick off a huge multi-state surge. I'm not directly comparing Florida to NYC. I've said several times in these threads that NYC is a nightmare logistically for the virus. I'm saying that their lack of sense and protocols is going to make them the next hotspot in the country. That doesn't mean that their numbers have to match or surpass NY, but merely that their numbers spike on a graph.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 19, 2020 21:59:43 GMT -5
1. A closer look at the picture shows that, even with as many people are on the beach, they're keeping a pretty decent amount of distance from each other. This is a picture from said beach: So no, you can clearly see there's not six feet between or any other kind of distance between that string of people along the shore stretching down all the way. And another: Here's a different image from just as they were coming on to the beach: Not one damned mask to be seen. Not one. Sorry, images show fact on this. More people at the beaches than at Trump's inauguration. Dick Pound 5000! *runs away*
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