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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 19, 2020 5:54:00 GMT -5
There's people who are going stir crazy at home, losing their jobs, falling behind on their bills who have legitimate gripes, they're scared. Then there's the Alex Jones crowd who just thinks contrails are mind control chemicals. Politicians are lizard people and theres global initiative to have us all be subservient to a small group of families who pull the strings of everything that goes on in this world. No, it’s far worse than that. Alex Jones DOES NOT BELIEVE THE SHIT HE SELLS TO HIS AUDIENCE!!! Last year in his divorce proceedings he gave sworn testimony that it was all an act to make money. The part that always gets me about Alex Jones is how he shills these BS vitamins and other junk supplements, and he uses pictures of himself shirtless to prove how effective they are. Yep, when I picture a mage body in top functioning form THAT is totally what comes to mind.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2020 6:03:10 GMT -5
I just saw pictures of the beaches opened. You'd think none of this shit ever happened. Unbelievably irresponsible. They're gonna be the next New York, and either they just don't get it or they just don't care.
I feel like this is going to inevitably get worse. And not by the natural spread and different timelines of different parts of the country getting exposed. I feel like this is the most vigilant we'll be, and this is the most people will be out of work. This is probably the longest most people will stay inside, or can afford to stay inside. The potential second wave could get really bad.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 6:14:53 GMT -5
But we AREN'T. That's my point. We already AREN'T keeping up with it. *You* me be. *I* may be. But we as a country? Not even close. So do we institute authoritarian laws over this thing or what? Because we can’t control everyone. Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else?
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Post by sfvega on Apr 19, 2020 6:31:53 GMT -5
So do we institute authoritarian laws over this thing or what? Because we can’t control everyone. Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else? This seems to be the overarching theme with a lot of people as it pertains to this. Where any measure is met by them invoking their liberty, and making absurd comparisons about the government trying to enforce those measures. There was social distancing in 1918 and it didn't go down in the history books as America's short love affair with tyranny.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Apr 19, 2020 6:59:02 GMT -5
Did anyone hear about a second stimulus check? Supposedly it would be $2,000 a month for everybody for a few months. I read that some people in charge wanted to just pull the trigger, and give everybody over 16 $9,000. Which is a lot, but if this keeps going, and idiots don't listen, there is going to have to be another bigger payout.
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Post by eJm on Apr 19, 2020 7:00:33 GMT -5
Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else? This seems to be the overarching theme with a lot of people as it pertains to this. Where any measure is met by them invoking their liberty, and making absurd comparisons about the government trying to enforce those measures. There was social distancing in 1918 and it didn't go down in the history books as America's short love affair with tyranny. I'll put it this way; A lot of people in this country hate our leader. The party that was running the country had no real interest in substantial help for those who needed it, let landlords run amuck in major cities, closed down cultural landmarks in those same cities, they were annoyed at striking nurses for demanding a pay rise last year, homelessness was never really addressed and even during this crisis, whilst other countries are providing billions to their art institutions, Ireland? 1 million Euro. And half of that isn't even new money. And yet, when we were asked to stay in doors...we stayed in doors. Because we don't want people to die. EDIT: Also helped that the government, besides a few things, was forward thinking in putting a plan together (since January) and other places...weren't.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Apr 19, 2020 7:46:29 GMT -5
There's people who are going stir crazy at home, losing their jobs, falling behind on their bills who have legitimate gripes, they're scared. Then there's the Alex Jones crowd who just thinks contrails are mind control chemicals. Politicians are lizard people and theres global initiative to have us all be subservient to a small group of families who pull the strings of everything that goes on in this world. No, it’s far worse than that. Alex Jones DOES NOT BELIEVE THE SHIT HE SELLS TO HIS AUDIENCE!!! Last year in his divorce proceedings he gave sworn testimony that it was all an act to make money. I did say Jones. I said his crowd. The people who watch INFOWARS and Prison Planet. I’ve always been of the mind Jones uses the real world as a template to push us stories.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 19, 2020 7:50:43 GMT -5
It pisses me off people prefer profit over lives. You can't have a future without a present. People need to work, not just to make money, but to socialize as well. Not everyone has the mental capacity to sit at home for six months and be ok like you guys apparently can. People need to interact and hug and shake hands and whatnot. Virtual interacting isn't the same thing as talking to someone right next to you. I kind of understand the protesters point of view (well, some of them, anyway). Random thought: instead of protesting for a lift on restrictions while the rates of infection are still high-why not protest for a short term freeze on utilities (gas, electric, rent, etc)? Or at the very least, deferred payment plans that can provide some flexibility. This has been enacted in other nations, and some providers here in the US have willingly made such gestures on their own initiative. Why is the sense of priority that getting back to work will fix everything, rather than of a shared sacrifice where we all have to be put under some stress? The cult of work, she is strong in this nation.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 19, 2020 8:49:38 GMT -5
No, it’s far worse than that. Alex Jones DOES NOT BELIEVE THE SHIT HE SELLS TO HIS AUDIENCE!!! Last year in his divorce proceedings he gave sworn testimony that it was all an act to make money. The part that always gets me about Alex Jones is how he shills these BS vitamins and other junk supplements, and he uses pictures of himself shirtless to prove how effective they are. Yep, when I picture a mage body in top functioning form THAT is totally what comes to mind. Sounds like you need a glass of CAVEMAN! You can see on his face just how great it is!
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 19, 2020 10:47:41 GMT -5
The governor finally released a list of nursing homes and ALFs with coronavirus here in the state. Sad it took the Miami Herald fighting for the info to get it released. 39 in Broward, 54 in Miami-Dade and luckily 0 here in Monroe. We’re doing well done here to get reopened. Can’t wait for the jackasses up north to ruin it.
Also just had the greatest Covid vaccine/microchip post appear on my Facebook feed. That damn thing had 20 hashtags. 20. Hashtags.
#hashbrownsnothashtags
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 19, 2020 11:08:09 GMT -5
The governor finally released a list of nursing homes and ALFs with coronavirus here in the state. Sad it took the Miami Herald fighting for the info to get it released. 39 in Broward, 54 in Miami-Dade and luckily 0 here in Monroe. We’re doing well done here to get reopened. Can’t wait for the jackasses up north to ruin it. Also just had the greatest Covid vaccine/microchip post appear on my Facebook feed. That damn thing had 20 hashtags. 20. Hashtags. #hashbrownsnothashtags What’s kind of scary is that the whole thing where they denied the ALF and nursing home data was being built up as a “sovereign immunity” case, to create a situation where people couldn’t sue the state for failures surrounding the response to deaths at such facilities.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 19, 2020 11:30:21 GMT -5
Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else? This seems to be the overarching theme with a lot of people as it pertains to this. Where any measure is met by them invoking their liberty, and making absurd comparisons about the government trying to enforce those measures. There was social distancing in 1918 and it didn't go down in the history books as America's short love affair with tyranny. Hell, there were people comparing themselves to Anne Frank & others who had to hide from the Nazis.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 19, 2020 11:43:04 GMT -5
The part that always gets me about Alex Jones is how he shills these BS vitamins and other junk supplements, and he uses pictures of himself shirtless to prove how effective they are. Yep, when I picture a mage body in top functioning form THAT is totally what comes to mind. Sounds like you need a glass of CAVEMAN! You can see on his face just how great it is! I find your suggestion highly inappropriate. Alex Jones is one of these deny evolution types, because it is all really a big conspiracy against Christianity. So he denies the existence of
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 19, 2020 11:45:32 GMT -5
Random thought: instead of protesting for a lift on restrictions while the rates of infection are still high-why not protest for a short term freeze on utilities (gas, electric, rent, etc)? Or at the very least, deferred payment plans that can provide some flexibility. This has been enacted in other nations, and some providers here in the US have willingly made such gestures on their own initiative. Why is the sense of priority that getting back to work will fix everything, rather than of a shared sacrifice where we all have to be put under some stress? The cult of work, she is strong in this nation. I've been reading a few things online that are saying this so called "grassroots movement" is being headed by foundations linked to the the likes of the Koch Brothers and other people of their affilliation.
Here's an excerpt From a The Atlantic Article(which may be too political to link):
So... yeah.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 11:56:18 GMT -5
This seems to be the overarching theme with a lot of people as it pertains to this. Where any measure is met by them invoking their liberty, and making absurd comparisons about the government trying to enforce those measures. There was social distancing in 1918 and it didn't go down in the history books as America's short love affair with tyranny. Hell, there were people comparing themselves to Anne Frank & others who had to hide from the Nazis. Which is...I just... Anne Frank and her family were able to stay in that attic for two straight years. Two. Straight. Years. But we can't go three months, even with all the advantages we have over that situation.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 19, 2020 12:06:52 GMT -5
But we AREN'T. That's my point. We already AREN'T keeping up with it. *You* me be. *I* may be. But we as a country? Not even close. Hell, this thread has shown cases of states not under safe-at-home orders to have doubled or tripled over the last couple of weeks. Again, why are we even thinking about step 3 when there are people who haven't even passed step 1? We honestly wouldn’t even have to be doing full lockdowns if people could actually be trusted to follow proper social distancing protocols. Lock down the most vulnerable and any who may be needed to look after them, and if people actually followed social distancing and basic f***ing hygiene I imagine we’d be pretty safe to open a lot of shit back up to some level
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 19, 2020 12:40:05 GMT -5
So do we institute authoritarian laws over this thing or what? Because we can’t control everyone. Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else? My dad and I had a similar discussion. We discussed the protestors and their grievances. I told him that while I find some of their complaints that they are focused on now to be petty and pathetic, the reality is in this country there are few real mechanisms in place to force people to stay home. A governor can usually only legally do three things: 1) Tell state employees like me to not come in to work. 2) Shut down public schools. 3) Temporarily revoke or revise business licenses, either shutting down a business or forcing them to only do business in a manner you require of them. Just about everything else requires a public safety exemption ruling in court as the Constitution of the US (as well as those of most states) explicitly bars most of the other measures taken.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 19, 2020 12:44:17 GMT -5
Allow me to retort - "Don’t even try that shit, dude." Pay attention. Look at the countries that are much more successful at dealing with this than we have been. You think they're all going into authoritarian fascist state mode? Don't even try that shit, dude. You come in here with only two options? Go fascist or let 'em die so I can go to Taco Bell? Don't even try that shit, dude. You know there's more ways to deal with this. We're seeing examples of it happening elsewhere. Anything else? My dad and I had a similar discussion. We discussed the protestors and their grievances. I told him that while I find some of their complaints that they are focused on now to be petty and pathetic, the reality is in this country there are few real mechanisms in place to force people to stay home. A governor can usually only legally do three things: 1) Tell state employees like me to not come in to work. 2) Shut down public schools. 3) Temporarily revoke or revise business licenses, either shutting down a business or forcing them to only do business in a manner you require of them. Just about everything else requires a public safety exemption ruling in court as the Constitution of the US (as well as those of most states) explicitly bars most of the other measures taken. There's also incentives. Getting a real stimulus package that isn't insulting as well as barely helpful would have done wonders. A lot of these people would have been much more willing to go along with what's needed if those checks were $3-4000 each and not $1200, with no promise there'll be a second one.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 19, 2020 13:02:11 GMT -5
My dad and I had a similar discussion. We discussed the protestors and their grievances. I told him that while I find some of their complaints that they are focused on now to be petty and pathetic, the reality is in this country there are few real mechanisms in place to force people to stay home. A governor can usually only legally do three things: 1) Tell state employees like me to not come in to work. 2) Shut down public schools. 3) Temporarily revoke or revise business licenses, either shutting down a business or forcing them to only do business in a manner you require of them. Just about everything else requires a public safety exemption ruling in court as the Constitution of the US (as well as those of most states) explicitly bars most of the other measures taken. There's also incentives. Getting a real stimulus package that isn't insulting as well as barely helpful would have done wonders. A lot of these people would have been much more willing to go along with what's needed if those checks were $3-4000 each and not $1200, with no promise there'll be a second one. The whole stimulus is laughable. The second the eviction freeze is up the garbage landlords are going to have a field day and the hospitality industry workforce is going to get gutted. I at least am married with three kids so my payment was almost what I’d have made in April. A lot of these people didn’t even get enough to cover half their rent for one month. Unemployment is still in shambles. Hurricane season is also literally less than half a month away and god forbid we have to take on a major hurricane. That and covid are a 1-2 punch the Florida economy might take years to recover from.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 19, 2020 13:20:22 GMT -5
My dad and I had a similar discussion. We discussed the protestors and their grievances. I told him that while I find some of their complaints that they are focused on now to be petty and pathetic, the reality is in this country there are few real mechanisms in place to force people to stay home. A governor can usually only legally do three things: 1) Tell state employees like me to not come in to work. 2) Shut down public schools. 3) Temporarily revoke or revise business licenses, either shutting down a business or forcing them to only do business in a manner you require of them. Just about everything else requires a public safety exemption ruling in court as the Constitution of the US (as well as those of most states) explicitly bars most of the other measures taken. There's also incentives. Getting a real stimulus package that isn't insulting as well as barely helpful would have done wonders. A lot of these people would have been much more willing to go along with what's needed if those checks were $3-4000 each and not $1200, with no promise there'll be a second one. You and I are talking two different things. I’m talking about state level responses. I don’t question whether the federal response has been the drizzling shits (like anyone could question that). Yes, that stimulus bill was really pathetic. The fact that only 5% of the small businesses that applied for aid got anything before the small business aid program ran out of money was unconscionable. Perhaps Mnuchin could use some of the $4.5T he was given for large corporations to give money to a bank servicing small businesses, but I doubt they will do it.
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