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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 29, 2020 5:04:53 GMT -5
1. ESPN and Fox are completely separate entities owned by completely separate corporations. Disney owns ESPN, Fox still owns Fox (despite whatever Cultaholic is spewing out thanks to their lack of research abilities). So no, both "being owned by Disney" is a crap-stick way to connect dots on that.
2. Dutch Mantel - the source of the rumor - is notorious for being full of shit. I love the guy, he even helped me out personally a long time ago, but he's a Class-A bullshitter.
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Post by eJm on Apr 29, 2020 5:57:22 GMT -5
To be fair, they wouldn't be the first people to think Disney brought ALL of Fox including Sports and News. But regardless, yeah, it doesn't take 5 minutes to look up any Variety or Hollywood Reporter article on the subject.
Also, as I said again and again and again, the PR nightmare would be extraordinary. Especially right now.
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Post by thechase on Apr 29, 2020 6:41:20 GMT -5
"Straight Out Of Com..Erm, Stamford"
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 29, 2020 7:00:52 GMT -5
No way Disney buys the WWE, ever, too many skeletons and no usable IP. When Disney bought Marvel, they git Iron Man, if they buy the WWE, the get Hulk Hogan footage, but not the right to Hulk Hogan, the real guy is out there, devaluing the brand as long as he lives.
NuFox don't care about their public image at all and need content for online services as they sold their library, so that is more possible, but not all that likely. This rumour is going to keep coming up until they get dropped from their fox deal.
I think everyone knows the WWE is one of those companies who would be bought for a billion and sold for a fraction of that in five years time, there are better targets for media companies and asset strippers alike.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 29, 2020 7:12:01 GMT -5
If Disney ever bought WWE, at least they can just lock Hogan in the vault with Song of the South.
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Post by eJm on Apr 29, 2020 7:17:01 GMT -5
No way Disney buys the WWE, ever, too many skeletons and no usable IP. When Disney bought Marvel, they git Iron Man, if they buy the WWE, the get Hulk Hogan footage, but not the right to Hulk Hogan, the real guy is out there, devaluing the brand as long as he lives. NuFox don't care about their public image at all and need content for online services as they sold their library, so that is more possible, but not all that likely. This rumour is going to keep coming up until they get dropped from their fox deal. I think everyone knows the WWE is one of those companies who would be bought for a billion and sold for a fraction of that in five years time, there are better targets for media companies and asset strippers alike. That's a point, too, for as big a brand WWE is (less so than the 90s but still), there's not really anything you can use long term. Like, Marvel couldn't do a comic where Roman Reigns passes his name down to a younger guy who is the new Roman Reigns and have that be reflected on the show because a) that'd be dumb, b) Roman Reigns is supposed to be a name of a guy and not a legacy to pass on and c) Joe Anoaʻi is a real dude who takes a big aspect of the character with him if he ever left. Like, sure, he couldn't probably say anything WWE has trademarked related to him but...well, he can come up with something new and trademark that himself. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 29, 2020 7:37:37 GMT -5
No way Disney buys the WWE, ever, too many skeletons and no usable IP. When Disney bought Marvel, they git Iron Man, if they buy the WWE, the get Hulk Hogan footage, but not the right to Hulk Hogan, the real guy is out there, devaluing the brand as long as he lives. NuFox don't care about their public image at all and need content for online services as they sold their library, so that is more possible, but not all that likely. This rumour is going to keep coming up until they get dropped from their fox deal. I think everyone knows the WWE is one of those companies who would be bought for a billion and sold for a fraction of that in five years time, there are better targets for media companies and asset strippers alike. That's a point, too, for as big a brand WWE is (less so than the 90s but still), there's not really anything you can use long term. Like, Marvel couldn't do a comic where Roman Reigns passes his name down to a younger guy who is the new Roman Reigns and have that be reflected on the show because a) that'd be dumb, b) Roman Reigns is supposed to be a name of a guy and not a legacy to pass on and c) Joe Anoaʻi is a real dude who takes a big aspect of the character with him if he ever left. Like, sure, he couldn't probably say anything WWE has trademarked related to him but...well, he can come up with something new and trademark that himself. And the WWE have demonstrated characters can't be re-cast, Fake Undertaker, Diesel, Razor all went down like a lead balloon, fake Sin Cara was a JTTS and so on. If they want to do anything with legends, they have to pay them and get their okay, and as we saw with Savage, Bret and others, if they don't want to play ball there is much they can do other than release archive materials. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 29, 2020 7:43:20 GMT -5
Disney would NEVER buy WWE. too openly shady a business. Part of the reason Vince is the uncontested Lord and master of wrestling is that almost nobody with more money than him wants to get within a hundred feet of it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 29, 2020 7:54:29 GMT -5
Disney would NEVER buy WWE. too openly shady a business. Part of the reason Vince is the uncontested Lord and master of wrestling is that almost nobody with more money than him wants to get within a hundred feet of it. And the thing is, it's going to take a lot more than just the complete banishment of Vince from the public eye. Almost everybody from the carny/cut-throat era of wrestling needs to be gone (not just from WWE, but from any level of cultural consciousness) and forgotten before any sort of gigantic entity would even THINK about it. |
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 29, 2020 10:37:22 GMT -5
Yeah....
The sources of the rumour seem to forget that WWE is a publicly-traded company whose shareholders - dare I suggest _all_ of them - would need to be notified of any offers to sell and to approve of the transaction. They also seem to forget that WWE still has TV deals with _two_ separate and unrelated networks, as well as with a national government with an abysmal human rights record. Those commitments are likely to hobble WWE's bargaining position with any potential buyer.
Nonetheless, there are signs of deep-seated change within the company, that suggest either that Vince is winding down operations altogether, or that a change in leadership is afoot. Stephanie and Paul are nowhere near as visible as they were six to eight months ago. Trips's recent new position focusing on NXT exclusively, alongside reports of Vince yet taking a closer interest in NXT himself, suggest that NXT's future may not be as secure as it was even a year ago. The company's PR campaigns for various charities have not been nearly as frequent, as deeply-involved or as publicized during the last year as they had been previously. Yes, some of that is COVID-19-related, but this scaling-back seems to have preceded the crisis by some months. The overall arc seems to be that Vince no longer cares about the success of WWE and is quite prepared, now that he has the money in hand, to watch it burn.
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Post by timelimitdraw on Apr 29, 2020 13:41:08 GMT -5
I don't see WWE ever being sold as long as Vince McMahon is alive - but if it were, it wouldn't be to Disney. Possibly Comcast because of the lengthy relationship via USA, but the new Fox Corporation would be more likely. They're flush with cash from Disney, so they have the money. The reality is that if Fox bought it, it would wind up being more like a bigger budget version of the ROH/Sinclair relationship than WWE as we know it today.
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Post by hassanchop on Apr 29, 2020 13:57:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 14:04:36 GMT -5
Yeah but my cousins sisters half brother (twice removed) knows a friend of a friend who once had lunch with a Vince McMahons current limo driver and he straight up asked him and he said “How would I know”
If it’s false, why not just deny it’s happening instead of pretending that’ he’s not got the inside scoop
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 14:04:55 GMT -5
Disney would NEVER buy WWE. too openly shady a business. Part of the reason Vince is the uncontested Lord and master of wrestling is that almost nobody with more money than him wants to get within a hundred feet of it. Once upon a time, Marvel Comics was a shady business too. I'm not saying they will or should, but of all the reasons not to this probably isn't one of them. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 29, 2020 14:18:10 GMT -5
Disney would NEVER buy WWE. too openly shady a business. Part of the reason Vince is the uncontested Lord and master of wrestling is that almost nobody with more money than him wants to get within a hundred feet of it. Once upon a time, Marvel Comics was a shady business too. The f*** are you on about? I'm dying to hear this. And I really hope the only example isn't the creators' rights/royalties stuff. |
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Post by eJm on Apr 29, 2020 14:21:44 GMT -5
Disney would NEVER buy WWE. too openly shady a business. Part of the reason Vince is the uncontested Lord and master of wrestling is that almost nobody with more money than him wants to get within a hundred feet of it. Once upon a time, Marvel Comics was a shady business too. I'm not saying they will or should, but of all the reasons not to this probably isn't one of them. I mean, a lot of businesses are shady and that can’t be doubted. Most businesses probably wouldn’t have accusations of covering up a murder on their owner’s CV. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 14:27:09 GMT -5
I've always found the valuation of the WWE to be fascinating in its own way, because I'm really not sure what WWE owns outside of some tape libraries that are honestly worth anything.
The WWE is literally nothing without the talent on TV every week, and while the WWE may own names and such, they don't own the actual performer. Let's say that Disney or whoever bought the WWE today, and Roman Reigns leaves tomorrow. Sure, Disney can keep Joe from being Roman Reigns somewhere else, but they can't keep him from basically being the same character just under a different name for AEW, New Japan, or whatever.
That's what's always killed me about the valuation of the WWE. They have a "brand", but there's so little propping up the value of that brand that I'm waiting for the bubble to pop any minute.
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Post by fw91 on Apr 29, 2020 14:30:31 GMT -5
I thought Cultaholic and Wrestletalk would be better than this.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 29, 2020 14:33:20 GMT -5
I thought Cultaholic and Wrestletalk would be better than this. They're all desperate and scrambling for anything to talk about right now to keep their hits up. |
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Post by eJm on Apr 29, 2020 14:35:24 GMT -5
I thought Cultaholic and Wrestletalk would be better than this. Counterpoint: They were one of the many places saying Enzo Amore was "innocent" for the sexual assault accusations rather than it being "inconclusive" as it said on the decision which, may I remind everyone, are not anywhere near the same thing. |
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