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Post by Perd on May 2, 2020 13:32:06 GMT -5
Ratings were already falling before the pandemic. The pandemic just exacerbated the problem. The longer this goes on, the worse it’s going to get. The longer viewers are gone, the easier it is for them to stay gone. Which is to say, even when things do get back to normal, I don’t foresee any huge rebound in ratings.
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Post by thehottag on May 2, 2020 14:57:01 GMT -5
Corruption or no, if they were putting on good shows, people would tune in. It's harder to watch a wrestling show with no audience, & with everyone's eyes glued to the news right now, ratings were always going to fall. The issue was how much they were falling before this, & also how much of that audience have tuned out for good. There's a lot of people who said they only watched because of habit, & once broken, habits are rarely picked up again (not straight away, at least)
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Post by hbkid718 on May 2, 2020 15:08:36 GMT -5
I enjoyed the show. The wrestling was good and that's all that matters. Everyone is busting their asses for our enjoyment and that's all we should care about. I disagree. The promos matter, the booking matters, the presentation matters, the amount they can get you emotionally invested matters. Good wrestling is only one part of pro wrestling, especially WWE. I guess I'm in the minority. I only care about what's happening in the ring. Everything else is secondary. I watch wrestling for the wrestling and nothing else.
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Post by nisidhe on May 2, 2020 15:30:24 GMT -5
I don’t think people care about the moral dilemmas. Ratings are down across the board for all programming and wrestling is even more impacted by the lack of crowds. Wrestling without a audience just isn’t wrestling. At a certain point, it’s kinda unwatchable. exactly. WWE deserves every bit of hate they are getting throughout all of this. But AEW is running shows too, and numbers are down, along with NXT. Somewhat badly comparatively to where they were at the beginning of the "Wednesday Wars" But people are trying to "excuse" them by looking at demo trends. Not defending WWE, by any means at all, let me make that clear agian. But there is something objective leading to a decline in viewership everywhere. Not just WWE is morally bankrupt and that's why things are why they are. AEW is running shows as well as WWE; this is true. However, it was Linda McMahon who contributed $18 million of Trump SuperPAC money to the state of Florida a day before pro wrestling was deemed "essential business". It was WWE reporting liquid assets in the amount of $500 million shortly after releasing a bunch of talent and office staff, XFL filing for bankruptcy with Vince himself as primary creditor, and then WWE reporting quarterly earnings on track to $1 billion (or something like that). AEW isn't exactly a saint here, but the optics of what WWE has done to keep going are far worse.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2020 16:04:47 GMT -5
exactly. WWE deserves every bit of hate they are getting throughout all of this. But AEW is running shows too, and numbers are down, along with NXT. Somewhat badly comparatively to where they were at the beginning of the "Wednesday Wars" But people are trying to "excuse" them by looking at demo trends. Not defending WWE, by any means at all, let me make that clear agian. But there is something objective leading to a decline in viewership everywhere. Not just WWE is morally bankrupt and that's why things are why they are. AEW is running shows as well as WWE; this is true. However, it was Linda McMahon who contributed $18 million of Trump SuperPAC money to the state of Florida a day before pro wrestling was deemed "essential business". It was WWE reporting liquid assets in the amount of $500 million shortly after releasing a bunch of talent and office staff, XFL filing for bankruptcy with Vince himself as primary creditor, and then WWE reporting quarterly earnings on track to $1 billion (or something like that). AEW isn't exactly a saint here, but the optics of what WWE has done to keep going are far worse. Oh i agree. Can't sugarcoat or gloss over anything WWE has done during this time. Just saying, fair is fair in terms of looking down on both companies for the one issue of running shows. Business ethics is another. A lot of it is influenced by our fandom. Hell NXT is WWE, but nobody comes down on those shows for "deserving it" when it comes to low ratings. Even though at the end of the day I really don't think the morality of the company are why ratings are down.
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Post by Cyno on May 2, 2020 16:27:54 GMT -5
NXT is the only show I've outright stopped watching because of my morality but then I'm just one person. I stopped watching Raw and Smackdown because they suck and the morality is just incentive not to get back into things.
I'm also pretty disgusted by what AEW's doing with their live taping schedule and I really don't like that they're doing so many of them in May in addition to Double or Nothing. I get why they're doing tapings again because it's their only real revenue stream at this point, but the amount of live tapings is so unnecessary. I'd even get why WWE was doing it if the circumstances allowing them to take place again weren't so shady. Like I'd think a lot more of them if they were just taking advantage of a state government being stupid/corrupt vs. what looks like a "generous donation" from the McMahons the day before WWE and its ilk are considered essential businesses.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 2, 2020 17:10:22 GMT -5
If anything, it’s only Ring of Honor that’s been reacting to the pandemic with rationality.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 2, 2020 17:20:00 GMT -5
Ratings were already falling before the pandemic. The pandemic just exacerbated the problem. The longer this goes on, the worse it’s going to get. The longer viewers are gone, the easier it is for them to stay gone. Which is to say, even when things do get back to normal, I don’t foresee any huge rebound in ratings. Yeah, that's going to be the telling sign. AEW basically began by filling arenas by sheer fan support. I see them having a much easier time to get back their audience. Same for NJPW, as they have such a dedicated fanbase. WWE though? They don't have that dedication. Rather than focusing on the fans who stick with them and playing the long game, they're always chasing a new audience rather than trying to build upon the one they have. You don't find many lifelong dedicated WWE fans outside of places like this. In public wrestling conversation, you usually hear "I watched when Hulk and Macho Man were there" or "I stopped watching after Stone Cold and The Rock left". Very rare does someone start talking to you about the current product. Getting an audience back is going to be a climb for WWE.
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Post by nisidhe on May 2, 2020 19:06:01 GMT -5
Ratings were already falling before the pandemic. The pandemic just exacerbated the problem. The longer this goes on, the worse it’s going to get. The longer viewers are gone, the easier it is for them to stay gone. Which is to say, even when things do get back to normal, I don’t foresee any huge rebound in ratings. Yeah, that's going to be the telling sign. AEW basically began by filling arenas by sheer fan support. I see them having a much easier time to get back their audience. Same for NJPW, as they have such a dedicated fanbase. WWE though? They don't have that dedication. Rather than focusing on the fans who stick with them and playing the long game, they're always chasing a new audience rather than trying to build upon the one they have. You don't find many lifelong dedicated WWE fans outside of places like this. In public wrestling conversation, you usually hear "I watched when Hulk and Macho Man were there" or "I stopped watching after Stone Cold and The Rock left". Very rare does someone start talking to you about the current product. Getting an audience back is going to be a climb for WWE. Wrestling will return, I think. There is still a fanbase for it waiting for this to end so they can get back to the matches and see what's come out the other side. For WWE, this is an exacerbated form of 1992, but without a) a well-promoted skeleton roster with which to rebuild fan engagement or b) a booking strategy that promotes the superstars and puts the company back into its proper place as a promotional body rather than, purportedly, the star itself. Previously, Vince had a few backstage folk willing to point out why he might be wrong and pushing for guys to fill the huge void created when the 1980s crew largely left. Nowadays, the void is one of Vince's own making; his stars are caught between doing the right thing by observing social distancing (to model similar behaviour for their fans, including kids and people over 50) or appearing on TV and being visible, but also absorbing some of the bad mojo Vince has created for WWE. AEW is still in a phase of throwing everything at a wall and seeing what sticks; it's still on the level of very early rock 'n' roll which feels very fresh and very experimental and very much responsive to fans. Obviously, they can't play to a live crowd at the moment but they are still enjoying some good will right now. The other promotions, suspending operations entirely until restrictions are lifted, hopefully are working on booking and creative while on their downtime so that they can come back with feet on the ground running.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 2, 2020 19:42:04 GMT -5
If the Fire and Desire break up angle/MandyOtis dating storyline is not essential then what in the hell on earth is.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2020 19:48:42 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJH7Viw6II&t=1sI think this is relevant to post in this thread. Wrestling ratings are down everywhere. LANGUAGE WARNING, and wouldn't recommend for those who are firmly on one side of the wrestling fandom (either side) Fastforward through the initial mocking of RAW/Smackdown are going down thinkers and it makes a lot of sense imo. He does come across as arrogant, but if you have to be able to ignore that and concentrate on what he's saying in between. That may be the stupidest thing I've watched in a week. Whatever point he tried making is lost.
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Post by Cyno on May 2, 2020 20:07:38 GMT -5
If anything, it’s only Ring of Honor that’s been reacting to the pandemic with rationality. I haven't been checking up on how Impact's handling things. Are they more along the lines of ROH or WWE and AEW?
I have a lot of respect for ROH doing what they're doing, especially considering they're owned by Sinclair. Same with Japanese companies like NJPW.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2020 20:12:08 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJH7Viw6II&t=1sI think this is relevant to post in this thread. Wrestling ratings are down everywhere. LANGUAGE WARNING, and wouldn't recommend for those who are firmly on one side of the wrestling fandom (either side) Fastforward through the initial mocking of RAW/Smackdown are going down thinkers and it makes a lot of sense imo. He does come across as arrogant, but if you have to be able to ignore that and concentrate on what he's saying in between. That may be the stupidest thing I've watched in a week. Whatever point he tried making is lost. Yeah I can see his arrogance turning people off if they aren't used to him. The point that he is trying to make is that A- it's the casuals that drive the ratings. Not the iwc hardcore types. It's not because people are objecting to WWE's lack of morality. It's because the stories aren't engaging enough and pure matches won't do the trick. He also said that pointing to the demos really doesn't matter when the "critically acclaimed" Wednesday shows have really lost a lot of viewers since the beginning. Also, blaming the empty arenas for lackluster programming is lame because if anything, it should allow the companies to take more risks.
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Post by cjh on May 2, 2020 20:20:22 GMT -5
If anything, it’s only Ring of Honor that’s been reacting to the pandemic with rationality. I haven't been checking up on how Impact's handling things. Are they more along the lines of ROH or WWE and AEW?
I have a lot of respect for ROH doing what they're doing, especially considering they're owned by Sinclair. Same with Japanese companies like NJPW.
Taped shows in an empty building, same as WWE and AEW. Impact survives on their international TV deals, so if they lose them, Anthem has no real reason to keep it going.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2020 20:34:22 GMT -5
That may be the stupidest thing I've watched in a week. Whatever point he tried making is lost. Yeah I can see his arrogance turning people off if they aren't used to him. The point that he is trying to make is that A- it's the casuals that drive the ratings. Not the iwc hardcore types. It's not because people are objecting to WWE's lack of morality. It's because the stories aren't engaging enough and pure matches won't do the trick. He also said that pointing to the demos really doesn't matter when the "critically acclaimed" Wednesday shows have really lost a lot of viewers since the beginning. Also, blaming the empty arenas for lackluster programming is lame because if anything, it should allow the companies to take more risks. I didn't say arrogant, I said stupid.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2020 20:41:40 GMT -5
Yeah I can see his arrogance turning people off if they aren't used to him. The point that he is trying to make is that A- it's the casuals that drive the ratings. Not the iwc hardcore types. It's not because people are objecting to WWE's lack of morality. It's because the stories aren't engaging enough and pure matches won't do the trick. He also said that pointing to the demos really doesn't matter when the "critically acclaimed" Wednesday shows have really lost a lot of viewers since the beginning. Also, blaming the empty arenas for lackluster programming is lame because if anything, it should allow the companies to take more risks. I didn't say arrogant, I said stupid. Why so? I think he has a point. But that's just my opinion, and no more valid than any other. I take no offense in a rebuttal.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2020 20:44:15 GMT -5
I didn't say arrogant, I said stupid. Why so? I think he has a point. But that's just my opinion, and no more valid than any other. I take no offense in a rebuttal. Same point has been made by many others online and they don't have to resort to imitating Alex Jones to do it.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2020 20:51:25 GMT -5
Why so? I think he has a point. But that's just my opinion, and no more valid than any other. I take no offense in a rebuttal. Same point has been made by many others online and they don't have to resort to imitating Alex Jones to do it
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2020 20:53:07 GMT -5
Same point has been made by many others online and they don't have to resort to imitating Alex Jones to do it Can laugh, but that's exactly what he's doing, especially at that beginning. It's stupid. Whatever point he had was completely lost in him being a braying jackass wannabe.
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Post by fw91 on May 2, 2020 20:59:01 GMT -5
Can laugh, but that's exactly what he's doing, especially at that beginning. It's stupid. Whatever point he had was completely lost in him being a braying jackass wannabe. I'm laughing because it was a genuinely funny line and I see the comparison in his delivery. Not mocking your stance at all.
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