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Post by thetower52 on Jun 8, 2020 1:52:38 GMT -5
I think I speak for most people when I say PLEASE take a break Charlotte. PLEASE. She really needs it. She's needed it for like a year now. Honestly, with Becky gone I expect Charlotte's getting the ultra mega push now, brother. All hail the conquering queen! Hopfully Andrade can save us and knock up Charlotte
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 1:54:21 GMT -5
They have protected Charlotte on some of those title losses. Once she lost a title when Becky pinned Ronda. She has twice lost a title after someone cashed-in Money in the Bank. Tonight she lost a title when Io pinned Rhea. Charlotte will be fine. I don't really think anyone is worried about Charlotte. She is frankly as bullet proof as it gets in WWE. I think the issue is she doesn't really do much of anything to put over anyone. She goes to NXT, has all of 2 matches there and does not eat the pin to lose the title. I know people are talking about Io getting the pin over Charlotte in a rematch, but I don't know that the match is such a lock to happen in the first place. So if it doesn't and she doesn't, then Charlotte winning the title in the first place just was totally pointless anyway. Personally, I think it was pointless already, but if she just never shows up on NXT again anyway, then it was 100,000% pointless. I feel for Rhea more than anything here. She loses clean to Charlotte at Mania, and then eats the pin here to give Io the title. Like her momentum went ice f***ing cold after she beat Shayna.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jun 8, 2020 2:02:33 GMT -5
I don't really think anyone is worried about Charlotte. She is frankly as bullet proof as it gets in WWE. I think the issue is she doesn't really do much of anything to put over anyone. She goes to NXT, has all of 2 matches there and does not eat the pin to lose the title. I know people are talking about Io getting the pin over Charlotte in a rematch, but I don't know that the match is such a lock to happen in the first place. So if it doesn't and she doesn't, then Charlotte winning the title in the first place just was totally pointless anyway. Personally, I think it was pointless already, but if she just never shows up on NXT again anyway, then it was 100,000% pointless. I feel for Rhea more than anything here. She loses clean to Charlotte at Mania, and then eats the pin here to give Io the title. Like her momentum went ice f***ing cold after she beat Shayna. That’s my take. Rhea’s the gigantic loser of this whole situation, which is such a shame because she was so hot after winning the title. And this could have been remedied by JUST BEATING FLAIR AT MANIA!!!
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 8, 2020 4:07:28 GMT -5
I'm ecstatic that she won, congratulations to her, and I hope she gets a long deserving reign.
That being said...
Her moonsault is still kinda trash. Charlotte arcs in the air, like you're supposed to. Io just throws herself backwards legs first and comes down bottom heavy like she has 20lb weights attached to her knees. I love everything else she does, but have not seen one moonsault from her that I didn't think was kinda garbage or dangerous.
Give her the crossface, or some other kind of submission as a signature move.
But I digress, CONGRATS IO!
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 8, 2020 4:10:52 GMT -5
I'm ecstatic that she won, congratulations to her, and I hope she gets a long deserving reign. That being said... Her moonsault is still kinda trash. Charlotte arcs in the air, like you're supposed to. Io just throws herself backwards legs first and comes down bottom heavy like she has 20lb weights attached to her knees. I love everything else she does, but have not seen one moonsault from her that I didn't think was kinda garbage or dangerous. Give her the crossface, or some other kind of submission as a signature move. But I digress, CONGRATS IO! I can't hate Io's moonsault because it reminds me of Muta's.
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Post by Shark on Jun 8, 2020 4:18:25 GMT -5
I'm ecstatic that she won, congratulations to her, and I hope she gets a long deserving reign. That being said... Her moonsault is still kinda trash. Charlotte arcs in the air, like you're supposed to. Io just throws herself backwards legs first and comes down bottom heavy like she has 20lb weights attached to her knees. I love everything else she does, but have not seen one moonsault from her that I didn't think was kinda garbage or dangerous. Give her the crossface, or some other kind of submission as a signature move. But I digress, CONGRATS IO! I can't hate Io's moonsault because it reminds me of Muta's. I think Io's is great. I think Charlotte's looks hideous. Gable and Angle had arcs that look great and they land well. Charlotte arcs, but I've literally seen her land on her knees and then fall forward to actually land on her opponent.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 8, 2020 4:32:58 GMT -5
I'm ecstatic that she won, congratulations to her, and I hope she gets a long deserving reign. That being said... Her moonsault is still kinda trash. Charlotte arcs in the air, like you're supposed to. Io just throws herself backwards legs first and comes down bottom heavy like she has 20lb weights attached to her knees. I love everything else she does, but have not seen one moonsault from her that I didn't think was kinda garbage or dangerous. Give her the crossface, or some other kind of submission as a signature move. But I digress, CONGRATS IO! I'm pretty sure that's on purpose, because her moonsault used to be really high arced, then after the heel turn she started using the low moonsault.
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Post by 4real on Jun 8, 2020 5:11:19 GMT -5
The most deserving woman finally got her shine!! LONG MAY SHE REIGN! Oh and LETS f***ING DO IT!! O man I would absolutely book this match if I worked for WWE. No doubt we will get Nia v Charlotte v Lacey instead.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jun 8, 2020 5:17:56 GMT -5
I can't hate Io's moonsault because it reminds me of Muta's. I think Io's is great. I think Charlotte's looks hideous. Gable and Angle had arcs that look great and they land well. Charlotte arcs, but I've literally seen her land on her knees and then fall forward to actually land on her opponent. i remember reading something recently where charlotte talked about her moonsaults and how (I guess in gymnastics?) she always landed on her feet when she first started doing them so she has to force herself to not over rotate when she does them now in a match (as she started wrestling at a later age than most) to correct her conditioning to always stick the landing on her feet. so that's supposedly why she's so inconsistent with them.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2020 6:10:47 GMT -5
I think Io's is great. I think Charlotte's looks hideous. Gable and Angle had arcs that look great and they land well. Charlotte arcs, but I've literally seen her land on her knees and then fall forward to actually land on her opponent. i remember reading something recently where charlotte talked about her moonsaults and how (I guess in gymnastics?) she always landed on her feet when she first started doing them so she has to force herself to not over rotate when she does them now in a match (as she started wrestling at a later age than most) to correct her conditioning to always stick the landing on her feet. so that's supposedly why she's so inconsistent with them. As I mentioned earlier, I think it’s something she started doing more heavily when working from March to June 2018 with ruptured implants.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 8, 2020 6:16:38 GMT -5
Defeating Charlotte Flair, a genuine wrestling icon, for a title is a boost for anybody, whether she takes the pin or not. She's defeated Charlotte Flair for a title. Merely having Charlotte in the match is a boost.
I really hate to what-if but I can't help but think if Becky had been in the spot Charlotte's in, she would have been praised a lot more.
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Post by eJm on Jun 8, 2020 6:30:00 GMT -5
Defeating Charlotte Flair, a genuine wrestling icon, for a title is a boost for anybody, whether she takes the pin or not. She's defeated Charlotte Flair for a title. Merely having Charlotte in the match is a boost. I really hate to what-if but I can't help but think if Becky had been in the spot Charlotte's in, she would have been praised a lot more.
But...she didn’t beat Charlotte for her belt. She beat Rhea for Charlotte’s belt. That’s the whole problem here. Sure, it still leads to Io winning but it doesn’t actually do anything except signpost that Charlotte can’t take the fall cleanly to actually solidify it, especially considering Io’s already beating Rhea before. Hell, if you want to use the Becky example, Becky’s own big WM win was won by a cheap roll up done quickly enough that didn’t really do anything except show they needed to protect someone for literally no reason.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2020 6:45:45 GMT -5
Defeating Charlotte Flair, a genuine wrestling icon, for a title is a boost for anybody, whether she takes the pin or not. She's defeated Charlotte Flair for a title. Merely having Charlotte in the match is a boost. I really hate to what-if but I can't help but think if Becky had been in the spot Charlotte's in, she would have been praised a lot more.
But...she didn’t beat Charlotte for her belt. She beat Rhea for Charlotte’s belt. That’s the whole problem here. Sure, it still leads to Io winning but it doesn’t actually do anything except signpost that Charlotte can’t take the fall cleanly to actually solidify it, especially considering Io’s already beating Rhea before. Hell, if you want to use the Becky example, Becky’s own big WM win was won by a cheap roll up done quickly enough that didn’t really do anything except show they needed to protect someone for literally no reason. I think with that finish the problem was the execution rather than the conception. In theory, Becky taking down Ronda with a flash pin, being the one person to use her wrestling knowledge and reverse the inexperienced Ronda’s signature move makes sense. It’s just that the way it was performed on the night it indeed looked like a slow roll-up.
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Post by autisticgeordie on Jun 8, 2020 7:20:55 GMT -5
OK, I'm so damn happy that Io is the champ; but I really hope that Rhea goes back to being a heel and just goes on a rampage, beating the snot out of anyone who is in her line of sight and establish herself as a monster heel, like she was in NXT:UK.
Although I am both totally sick of her and, yet, respect the hell out of her as an athlete, I am enjoying that Charlotte is out of f***s to give as a heel, with the crotch chops and the general asshole behaviour, she's better at that type of heel than she is as the snooty and entitled bitch heel that she was a few years ago.
I'm so excited to see potential feuds that Io can have as champion, hopefully a Heel Rhea gets a shot and I'd love to see Io vs. Dakota because Dakota can't keep facing Tegan all her life.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 8, 2020 8:11:40 GMT -5
But...she didn’t beat Charlotte for her belt. She beat Rhea for Charlotte’s belt. That’s the whole problem here. Sure, it still leads to Io winning but it doesn’t actually do anything except signpost that Charlotte can’t take the fall cleanly to actually solidify it, especially considering Io’s already beating Rhea before. Hell, if you want to use the Becky example, Becky’s own big WM win was won by a cheap roll up done quickly enough that didn’t really do anything except show they needed to protect someone for literally no reason. I think with that finish the problem was the execution rather than the conception. In theory, Becky taking down Ronda with a flash pin, being the one person to use her wrestling knowledge and reverse the inexperienced Ronda’s signature move makes sense. It’s just that the way it was performed on the night it indeed looked like a slow roll-up. They really should’ve established an impact finisher for Becky in the lead up to WrestleMania. I desperately wanted her to win, but her tapping out Ronda with the Disarmher would’ve immediately taken me out of the moment and she didn’t have an established pinning finisher so they had to go with a flash cradle.
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Post by edgestar on Jun 8, 2020 8:23:57 GMT -5
Hopefully this means she’s just ducking out. I think I speak for most people when I say PLEASE take a break Charlotte. PLEASE. She really needs it. She's needed it for like a year now. Charlotte truly doesn't bother me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 8:39:19 GMT -5
Happy Io won but I'm fully expecting Charlotte to win the belt back whenever they have a one-on-one title match. Gotta get past 16 as quickly as possible, then she'll finally be a star!
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Post by mistery on Jun 8, 2020 8:44:53 GMT -5
Happy Io won but I'm fully expecting Charlotte to win the belt back whenever they have a one-on-one title match. Gotta get past 16 as quickly as possible, then she'll finally be a star! There probably won't be a rematch. Charlotte put over Io and Rhea as the future of the company last night on twitter. But don't worry, you probably won't have to worry about Charlotte not having a title soon. The WWE UK twitter account is saying that her match against Asuka tonight is for the RAW Women's Championship. twitter.com/WWEUK/status/1269932180869771265
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 9:09:35 GMT -5
There probably won't be a rematch. Charlotte put over Io and Rhea as the future of the company last night on twitter. But don't worry, you probably won't have to worry about Charlotte not having a title soon. The WWE UK twitter account is saying that her match against Asuka tonight is for the RAW Women's Championship. Ugh. Well I'm glad Io is safe for now at least. With Shayna and Charlotte gone the NXT women's division has room to breathe for the first time in a long time.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2020 9:11:44 GMT -5
I think with that finish the problem was the execution rather than the conception. In theory, Becky taking down Ronda with a flash pin, being the one person to use her wrestling knowledge and reverse the inexperienced Ronda’s signature move makes sense. It’s just that the way it was performed on the night it indeed looked like a slow roll-up. They really should’ve established an impact finisher for Becky in the lead up to WrestleMania. I desperately wanted her to win, but her tapping out Ronda with the Disarmher would’ve immediately taken me out of the moment and she didn’t have an established pinning finisher so they had to go with a flash cradle. Yeah, there was a period last year where they were trying to present her uranage as ‘The Manhandle Slam’ but it didn’t really go anywhere.
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