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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:26:23 GMT -5
I didn't miss the point at all man you made those threads to outline a problem within the women's division with Becky constantly being made an unstoppable force with no weaknesses And Charlotte's booking is becoming dangerously similar in the way she is being protected and going over, especially since Mania. I ain't saying to hate her, I was just drawing a similarity because imo there is one. It feels like the only girl to one up Charlotte was Becky, she's gone, and now it just feels like Charlotte's running rampant all over the place and it's helping no one. I would love if she was being used in ways that would get others aside from herself over, but it really, to me, hasn't come off that way. If it don't bother you or you don't see it that way, all good, but to me Charlotte's about to be that new OP. You're welcome to try your hand at it This was mentioned months ago in the people who were already OP I think this is enough to get the point across of simple exhaustion with the Charlotte character, but if she is holding another world title within the next month good lord lol
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Post by chrom on Jun 8, 2020 22:27:14 GMT -5
As someone who didn't see Takeover due to being busy, apparently she lost the title. How did she lose it? Was it legit? Also, what did Charlotte do tonight? Wasn't pinned so she brushes it off as though it doesn't count.
And she beat Asuka and flat out dominated her the entire match.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 8, 2020 22:27:34 GMT -5
As someone who didn't see Takeover due to being busy, apparently she lost the title. How did she lose it? Was it legit? Also, what did Charlotte do tonight? Io did a moonsault to Rhea while Charlotte still had the Figure 8 on her so, like...kinda legit/kinda not?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:28:04 GMT -5
As someone who didn't see Takeover due to being busy, apparently she lost the title. How did she lose it? Was it legit? Also, what did Charlotte do tonight? Io beat Rhea, she didn't beat Charlotte. The finish was Io pinned Rhea while she was also in the Figure Eight by Charlotte and Io won the belt. She no sold the loss tonight saying she wasn't pinned so it didn't matter. Then tonight she just had a long slog of a match with Asuka, where she dominated almost all of it. Nia interfered and Asuka knocked her off the apron, Charlotte kicked Asuka's head off and won. Wasn't a clean win mind you, but she pinned the champion and you know in WWE that's all that matters, and it continues to drive that narrative of Charlotte just dominating Asuka which people aren't particularly fond of...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 8, 2020 22:29:10 GMT -5
As someone who didn't see Takeover due to being busy, apparently she lost the title. How did she lose it? Was it legit? Also, what did Charlotte do tonight? Charlotte didn't get pinned in losing the NXT title. Io pinned Rhea while Charlotte had the Figure 8 in. A replay on the finish a few weeks ago between KUSHIDA, Jack Atlas and Drake Maverick Tonight, Nia came in to interfere and distracted Asuka which allowed Charlotte to win
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Post by marvelocity on Jun 8, 2020 22:31:09 GMT -5
She does seem to be rapidly approaching SuperCena territory. But she would be much more intolerable if she was stinking up the joint. The fact that she is one of the better wrestlers on the roster and can gel with pretty much anyone helps her case.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:33:17 GMT -5
She does seem to be rapidly approaching SuperCena territory. But she would be much more intolerable if she was stinking up the joint. The fact that she is one of the better wrestlers on the roster and can gel with pretty much anyone helps her case. For the record, I'm not diminishing her talent, I think all her stuff is good (Except Natural Selection that shit has been awful from the jump imo) it's how overexposed she's been in booking. If Charlotte was like, a 5-6 time champion by this point, this discussion would have less weight... but she has 12 reigns in 4 years... that's where Charlotte's problems lie. You can be amazingly talented, but if you're overbooked to absolute oblivion, your talent can't always save you...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 8, 2020 22:35:54 GMT -5
She does seem to be rapidly approaching SuperCena territory. But she would be much more intolerable if she was stinking up the joint. The fact that she is one of the better wrestlers on the roster and can gel with pretty much anyone helps her case. For the record, I'm not diminishing her talent, I think all her stuff is good (Except Natural Selection that shit has been awful from the jump imo) it's how overexposed she's been in booking. If Charlotte was like, a 5-6 time champion by this point, this discussion would have less weight... but she has 12 reigns in 4 years... that's where Charlotte's problems lie. You can be amazingly talented, but if you're overbooked to absolute oblivion, your talent can't always save you... Like 6 of those reigns are transitional tho EoE: Well There's Your Problem I think did a breakdown on this before
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jun 8, 2020 22:37:28 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:37:44 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not diminishing her talent, I think all her stuff is good (Except Natural Selection that shit has been awful from the jump imo) it's how overexposed she's been in booking. If Charlotte was like, a 5-6 time champion by this point, this discussion would have less weight... but she has 12 reigns in 4 years... that's where Charlotte's problems lie. You can be amazingly talented, but if you're overbooked to absolute oblivion, your talent can't always save you... Like 6 of those reigns are transitional tho EoE: Well There's Your Problem I think did a breakdown on this before Yeah but when you look at it, she got a lot of those wins back, and the fact they're transitional to me doesn't help, it was all to inflate her title reigns to be like her dad and to me, devalue the titles by constantly switching them back and forth like the Sasha feud really was. There is absolutely no reason Charlotte should have that many title wins, to the point other wrestlers like New Day openly mocked it.
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Post by Venti on Jun 8, 2020 22:37:50 GMT -5
I personally love watching Charlotte, I think she's one of the great heels of our age and haven't gotten tired of her, but I also haven't watched as frequently over the last couple years as some others have, so maybe the fatigue hasn't set in for me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:38:35 GMT -5
There's a Simpsons scene for everything!
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 8, 2020 22:39:06 GMT -5
I totally get why those who dislike her would be angered, but she’s consistently delivering, and having two main events like that within 24 hours (plus an entertaining tag match) really speaks to her ability and stamina.
Plus it will be huge when Asuka gets that clean win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:39:23 GMT -5
So according to what I'm seeing here Charlotte lost the belt clean last night although the finish wasn't as clear cut as Io beating one person, she just won in a unique way. Tonight Charlotte won the match by Nia interfering. Prior to that she played off her title loss by talking crap.
Man, all of this sounds like super heel stuff. She lost well, she acts like she didn't lose but she really did, she wins the match tonight through interference through the help of the champion's next opponent. It looks like they're going to set up another Asuka/Charlotte match in turn where Asuka finally beats her given the story seems to be "Charlotte always beats Asuka." Charlotte's the heel here as well.
This just sounds like basic WWE story planning. If anything it makes Charlotte look weaker given she lost last night and she only won the match tonight due to help. If people are upset with her always being on tv and her character then I understand but I also saw people upset that she was a champion and she always won clean and it doesn't seem like that's happened these past 2 days.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jun 8, 2020 22:40:26 GMT -5
Not me, she has surpassed Trish as my favorite woman of all time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:40:48 GMT -5
I totally get why those who dislike her would be angered, but she’s consistently delivering, and having two main events like that within 24 hours (plus an entertaining tag match) really speaks to her ability and stamina. Plus it will be huge when Asuka gets that clean win. If Asuka gets a clean win. Because it was supposed to be huge when Rhea came back and got her vengence and beat Charlotte for the belt and she ended up counting the lights and handing the belt over to Io So I really don't think in absolutes in WWE with their booking and especially with Charlotte as a factor.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 8, 2020 22:43:54 GMT -5
Yeah but when you look at it, she got a lot of those wins back, and the fact they're transitional to me doesn't help, it was all to inflate her title reigns to be like her dad and to me, devalue the titles by constantly switching them back and forth like the Sasha feud really was. There is absolutely no reason Charlotte should have that many title wins, to the point other wrestlers like New Day openly mocked it. Or the intended purpose of trying to put someone over using Charlotte as the device She won the SD title to make Becky moment bigger. She won the SD title again last year to solidify Bayley heel turn. Do they all work? No, but their is intended purpose instead of she just wins that it is presented as
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:45:12 GMT -5
So according to what I'm seeing here Charlotte lost the belt clean last night although the finish wasn't as clear cut as Io beating one person, she just won in a unique way. Tonight Charlotte won the match by Nia interfering. Prior to that she played off her title loss by talking crap. Man, all of this sounds like super heel stuff. She lost well, she acts like she didn't lose but she really did, she wins the match tonight through interference through the help of the champion's next opponent. It looks like they're going to set up another Asuka/Charlotte match in turn where Asuka finally beats her given the story seems to be "Charlotte always beats Asuka." This just sounds like basic WWE story planning. If anything it makes Charlotte look weaker given she lost last night and she only won the match tonight due to help. If people are upset with her always being on tv and her character then I understand but I also saw people upset that she was a champion and she always won clean and it doesn't seem like that's happened these past 2 days. WWE and "Basic Story Planning" haven't had a relationship in awhile though... that's also a problem She also heavily dominated this match, and there was no indication Asuka had the match won when Nia interfered, that hurt it too. Charlotte was like in complete control almost that entire time. If you wanna build her up as a vile heel it should be way more definitive that Charlotte was about to lose, but instead they're kind of building her as more an Okada where she's realy good at this wrestling thing but also a heel so it doesn't really matter? It's kind of odd and only really made worse when she's everywhere and winning everything or being protected in this way. If it has genuine payoff, then amazing, but to me I feel these are genuine issues Charlotte has had for awhile...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:47:17 GMT -5
Yeah but when you look at it, she got a lot of those wins back, and the fact they're transitional to me doesn't help, it was all to inflate her title reigns to be like her dad and to me, devalue the titles by constantly switching them back and forth like the Sasha feud really was. There is absolutely no reason Charlotte should have that many title wins, to the point other wrestlers like New Day openly mocked it. Or the intended purpose of trying to put someone over using Charlotte as the device She won the SD title to make Becky moment bigger. She won the SD title again last year to solidify Bayley heel turn. Do they all work? No, but their is intended purpose instead of she just wins that it is presented as I still think using Charlotte in this way isn't very productive, it's just been as I said, exhausting as someone who isn't a fan of her booking and character. I want reason to care and it really feels like everything has an underlying purpose to just benefit Charlotte in the end more so than others. With Becky gone, if she doesn't drop a clean L to Asuka, I don't see the point, since it already feels like they f***d up with Rhea's feud with her.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 8, 2020 22:48:18 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not diminishing her talent, I think all her stuff is good (Except Natural Selection that shit has been awful from the jump imo) it's how overexposed she's been in booking. If Charlotte was like, a 5-6 time champion by this point, this discussion would have less weight... but she has 12 reigns in 4 years... that's where Charlotte's problems lie. You can be amazingly talented, but if you're overbooked to absolute oblivion, your talent can't always save you... Like 6 of those reigns are transitional tho EoE: Well There's Your Problem I think did a breakdown on this before I’m about go out to the shops here, so I’ll be away from the computer for a little bit, but I’ll try and get some stats together on this when I get back.
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