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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 8, 2020 22:51:00 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Charlotte is one of the best wrestlers going today so I like her being in the mix as often as she is. Her character is an accolade collector so it makes sense to me that she's always in a story about a title or something big.
As long as she remains a heel I think it's the right track. Face Charlotte isn't something that works for her character at all.
As for the OP talk... yeah I agree that she is. But for me that's not a problem as I think the top characters should be. There has to be a reason for them to be at the top of the makebelieve pecking order of their divisions. Top talent should be OP at least some of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:51:27 GMT -5
I wanted her to stay in NXT to face the likes of Toni Storm, Mia Yim, Bianca (when she was there), etc
I am so tired of her constantly in the title picture man. Give me something fresh or she will literally have about 40 title Reigns at this rate.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 8, 2020 22:53:49 GMT -5
Or the intended purpose of trying to put someone over using Charlotte as the device She won the SD title to make Becky moment bigger. She won the SD title again last year to solidify Bayley heel turn. Do they all work? No, but their is intended purpose instead of she just wins that it is presented as I still think using Charlotte in this way isn't very productive, it's just been as I said, exhausting as someone who isn't a fan of her booking and character. I want reason to care and it really feels like everything has an underlying purpose to just benefit Charlotte in the end more so than others. With Becky gone, if she doesn't drop a clean L to Asuka, I don't see the point, since it already feels like they f***d up with Rhea's feud with her. I don't like it. It wipes our her talent just like it does for Roman People fall in the trap of everything must benefit Charlotte which does not have anything to do with in ring
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:54:33 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Charlotte is one of the best wrestlers going today so I like her being in the mix as often as she is. Her character is an accolade collector so it makes sense to me that she's always in a story about a title or something big. As long as she remains a heel I think it's the right track. Face Charlotte isn't something that works for her character at all. As for the OP talk... yeah I agree that she is. But for me that's not a problem as I think the top characters should be. There has to be a reason for them to be at the top of the makebelieve pecking order of their divisions. Top talent should be OP at least some of the time. For me though there needs to be people on her level in a clear way. She should be at the top of the pecking order but there should be others who clearly oppose her and clearly get wins against her. Since Becky left, she has won the NXT title from Rhea, lost it by not getting pinned, and beaten various girls soundly like Liv Morgan and Ruby Riott, and other matches where she wins with technicalities, or go to no decisions. Becky beat Charlotte, believably, and no other girl feels like they can do that right now to her the way she has been presented and booked. If they're building to that, it would be nice... but WWE and "Building" are a hard combo to put together, since everyone thought the obvious build was gonna be Rhea taking the NXT title from Charlotte and how quickly THAT derailed itself...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 22:55:57 GMT -5
I still think using Charlotte in this way isn't very productive, it's just been as I said, exhausting as someone who isn't a fan of her booking and character. I want reason to care and it really feels like everything has an underlying purpose to just benefit Charlotte in the end more so than others. With Becky gone, if she doesn't drop a clean L to Asuka, I don't see the point, since it already feels like they f***d up with Rhea's feud with her. I don't like it. It wipes our her talent just like it does for Roman People fall in the trap of everything must benefit Charlotte which does not have anything to do with in ring But that's the issue, it does effect her matches and how she is percieved when the booking is bad as it has been for her imo. Charlotte is a great worker, but really, anyone would suffer being this overexposed no matter how talented they are in the current day. Even Becky was.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jun 8, 2020 22:58:39 GMT -5
Sidenote...can someone tell the old man over here what OP means? Like, I'm down with OPP, but I'm pretty sure that ain't it.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 8, 2020 22:59:12 GMT -5
Sidenote...can someone tell the old man over here what OP means? Like, I'm down with OPP, but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. Overpowered.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 8, 2020 23:00:02 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Charlotte is one of the best wrestlers going today so I like her being in the mix as often as she is. Her character is an accolade collector so it makes sense to me that she's always in a story about a title or something big. As long as she remains a heel I think it's the right track. Face Charlotte isn't something that works for her character at all. As for the OP talk... yeah I agree that she is. But for me that's not a problem as I think the top characters should be. There has to be a reason for them to be at the top of the makebelieve pecking order of their divisions. Top talent should be OP at least some of the time. And as i've stated in OP threads, the problem when they become that way is when they run through the division and nothing matters and no one benefits. Your top people is going to be OP because they shouldn't lose but their is a fine line that gets crossed when people reach that peak where it could hurt them too With Braun, he ran through the tag team division, won the tag titles by himself, beat six of the best people in the company by himself and situations such as throwing KO off a cage and laughing with this happening well over a year is what made him OP and he was still behind Roman and Brock on that scale With Becky, i've stated her stuff recently so no need to rehash that
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Post by DSR on Jun 8, 2020 23:00:17 GMT -5
I find her insufferable. Her character is obnoxious, her promos are frustrating. I muted her promos during the show tonight, and I left when her match against Asuka was the last thing left for the night. I just...can't with her.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 23:00:43 GMT -5
Sidenote...can someone tell the old man over here what OP means? Like, I'm down with OPP, but I'm pretty sure that ain't it. OverPowered
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 23:01:00 GMT -5
So according to what I'm seeing here Charlotte lost the belt clean last night although the finish wasn't as clear cut as Io beating one person, she just won in a unique way. Tonight Charlotte won the match by Nia interfering. Prior to that she played off her title loss by talking crap. Man, all of this sounds like super heel stuff. She lost well, she acts like she didn't lose but she really did, she wins the match tonight through interference through the help of the champion's next opponent. It looks like they're going to set up another Asuka/Charlotte match in turn where Asuka finally beats her given the story seems to be "Charlotte always beats Asuka." This just sounds like basic WWE story planning. If anything it makes Charlotte look weaker given she lost last night and she only won the match tonight due to help. If people are upset with her always being on tv and her character then I understand but I also saw people upset that she was a champion and she always won clean and it doesn't seem like that's happened these past 2 days. WWE and "Basic Story Planning" haven't had a relationship in awhile though... that's also a problem She also heavily dominated this match, and there was no indication Asuka had the match won when Nia interfered, that hurt it too. Charlotte was like in complete control almost that entire time. If you wanna build her up as a vile heel it should be way more definitive that Charlotte was about to lose, but instead they're kind of building her as more an Okada where she's realy good at this wrestling thing but also a heel so it doesn't really matter? It's kind of odd and only really made worse when she's everywhere and winning everything or being protected in this way. If it has genuine payoff, then amazing, but to me I feel these are genuine issues Charlotte has had for awhile... Charlotte dominating most of the match against Asuka, someone she's consistently beaten, makes it look as though as Asuka is going to lose again which furthermore puts more fire into the feud and puts more people against Charlotte which is far different than if they were equal. Say Asuka beat Charlotte clean, no issues. There's really nothing that's connecting their feud together. It also doesn't work from a story standpoint given Charlotte is Charlotte. For as much as people don't like her, they know how her character is and they also need to put more people behind Asuka, who's clearly the face. If they do what you're doing then it would be more split. This also makes Asuka look like a bigger underdog because you and others think Charlotte is some juggernaut. It's the WWE using the emotional aspect to get people against Charlotte and be more invested in it. Absolutely.
From the outside (since I don't regularly watch anymore) it looks like they're using Charlotte way better than they did last year and the year before. Io has a win over her, Charlotte needs help to win, judging this booking they're clearly behind Asuka as champion too especially given those reports where they said with Becky gone she's got them behind her completely now.
Charlotte is just there to help Asuka's reign.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 8, 2020 23:03:06 GMT -5
WWE and "Basic Story Planning" haven't had a relationship in awhile though... that's also a problem She also heavily dominated this match, and there was no indication Asuka had the match won when Nia interfered, that hurt it too. Charlotte was like in complete control almost that entire time. If you wanna build her up as a vile heel it should be way more definitive that Charlotte was about to lose, but instead they're kind of building her as more an Okada where she's realy good at this wrestling thing but also a heel so it doesn't really matter? It's kind of odd and only really made worse when she's everywhere and winning everything or being protected in this way. If it has genuine payoff, then amazing, but to me I feel these are genuine issues Charlotte has had for awhile... Charlotte dominating most of the match against Asuka, someone she's consistently beaten, makes it look as though as Asuka is going to lose again which furthermore puts more fire into the feud and puts more people against Charlotte which is far different than if they were equal. Say Asuka beat Charlotte clean, no issues. There's really nothing that's connecting their feud together. It also doesn't work from a story standpoint given Charlotte is Charlotte. For as much as people don't like her, they know how her character is and they also need to put more people behind Asuka, who's clearly the face. If they do what you're doing then it would be more split. This also makes Asuka look like a bigger underdog because you and others think Charlotte is some juggernaut. It's the WWE using the emotional aspect to get people against Charlotte and be more invested in it. A
From the outside (since I don't regularly watch anymore) it looks like they're using Charlotte way better than they did last year and the year before. Io has a win over her, Charlotte needs help to win, judgign this booking they're clearly behind Asuka as champion too especially given those reports where they said with Becky gone she's got them behind her completely now.
Charlotte is just there to help Asuka's reign.
In the end man I hope you're right I just know better with WWE these days, I don't wanna just nod my head and go "Oh yeah absolutely that's the endgame here" because they like to change shit at the drop of a hat and we've seen it... so I want this to be right, I want Asuka to in the end, get that clean W and stand tall, but I'm remaining guarded for good reason, lol.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 8, 2020 23:06:53 GMT -5
If Charlotte had any sort of genuine star power, then you could argue that booking the majority of the women around her would be some sort of boon to them. But more often than not, and especially following her NXT stint, there's more indication that she drives viewers away than anything else. So having her be such a focal point is just killing everyone's momentum instead of helping anything. It's at the point where even trying to argue about her actual ability doesn't hold any weight, because no one's really gaining anything from beating her. Especially when the trend of her booking has been that she never suffers any sort of actual fallback from her losses. Then it's a double-edged sword where because she's booked way too strong for what interest she drives, there's no benefit to her own ability in actually making any stars, partially because we've been heavily primed to expect she's still the top dog win, lose, or draw, and she doesn't fit the mold.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 8, 2020 23:07:25 GMT -5
Are we still calling her Woman Reigns?
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Post by deezy on Jun 8, 2020 23:07:31 GMT -5
I absolutely love Charlotte and I think she is the best female wrestler and one of the best overall wrestlers in the world.
She is a heel, Shrugging off last night's defeat is part of being a heel and her character. And I don't think she has been given title reigns just to pad her stats. I don't think Charlotte, the person would want that.
I thought tonight's match with Asuka was great.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 8, 2020 23:09:15 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Charlotte is one of the best wrestlers going today so I like her being in the mix as often as she is. Her character is an accolade collector so it makes sense to me that she's always in a story about a title or something big. As long as she remains a heel I think it's the right track. Face Charlotte isn't something that works for her character at all. As for the OP talk... yeah I agree that she is. But for me that's not a problem as I think the top characters should be. There has to be a reason for them to be at the top of the makebelieve pecking order of their divisions. Top talent should be OP at least some of the time. For me though there needs to be people on her level in a clear way. She should be at the top of the pecking order but there should be others who clearly oppose her and clearly get wins against her. Since Becky left, she has won the NXT title from Rhea, lost it by not getting pinned, and beaten various girls soundly like Liv Morgan and Ruby Riott, and other matches where she wins with technicalities, or go to no decisions. Becky beat Charlotte, believably, and no other girl feels like they can do that right now to her the way she has been presented and booked. If they're building to that, it would be nice... but WWE and "Building" are a hard combo to put together, since everyone thought the obvious build was gonna be Rhea taking the NXT title from Charlotte and how quickly THAT derailed itself... Liv and Ruby are waaaay down the kayfabe ladder right now though, they don't belong in the conversation yet, Charlotte absolutely should be besting them soundly. For me, I'd consider Asuka, Io, the other 4HW, Rhea, and maybe a couple more I'm forgetting all at that Charlotte level where any one of them beating Charlotte or eachother is believable. WWE's umbrella of women wrestlers is one of the most balanced divisions anywhere (hear me out) with the number of women who can be inserted into a top slot without question I feel. I see a lot of names as being equal at the top there is all, so again (just for me), I don't agree with the Charlotte-choking-things-up opinion.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 8, 2020 23:12:43 GMT -5
Are we still calling her Woman Reigns? I’ve seen more things lately calling Reigns “Man Charlotte”, to be honest.
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Post by camphor #BLM on Jun 8, 2020 23:13:16 GMT -5
Sidenote...can someone tell the old man over here what OP means? Like, I'm down with OPP, but I'm pretty sure that ain't it.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 8, 2020 23:13:36 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Charlotte is one of the best wrestlers going today so I like her being in the mix as often as she is. Her character is an accolade collector so it makes sense to me that she's always in a story about a title or something big. As long as she remains a heel I think it's the right track. Face Charlotte isn't something that works for her character at all. As for the OP talk... yeah I agree that she is. But for me that's not a problem as I think the top characters should be. There has to be a reason for them to be at the top of the makebelieve pecking order of their divisions. Top talent should be OP at least some of the time. And as i've stated in OP threads, the problem when they become that way is when they run through the division and nothing matters and no one benefits. Your top people is going to be OP because they shouldn't lose but their is a fine line that gets crossed when people reach that peak where it could hurt them too With Braun, he ran through the tag team division, won the tag titles by himself, beat six of the best people in the company by himself and situations such as throwing KO off a cage and laughing with this happening well over a year is what made him OP and he was still behind Roman and Brock on that scale With Becky, i've stated her stuff recently so no need to rehash that Now see I'm not with ya on the majority of the Braun stuff. I was cool as hell with him being a monster until it came to the tag division stuff and multiman anything. That was my limit. Once you're overcoming the numbers game (unless they're like, ninja jobbers) I can't bother with suspending disbelief for wrestling. If I want that I'll pop in Dynasty Warriors.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jun 8, 2020 23:15:50 GMT -5
Sometimes you don't know what you got til it's gone. They shouldn't put her on the back-burner too much.
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