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Post by BlahBlah on Jun 12, 2020 10:56:32 GMT -5
I love me some Heyman but Raw has been unwatchable for months now (save for the IIconics) and Smackdown has been reasonably entertaining from top to bottom so..... cautiously optimistic I suppose.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jun 12, 2020 12:21:56 GMT -5
From one guy who exaggerates their talents to another.
With the same basket case running the circus from the top.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jun 12, 2020 14:05:59 GMT -5
Well, at least Heyman had a core group of guys he managed to convince Management to do more with that got successful, right? ...Right? ....guys?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 13, 2020 3:37:35 GMT -5
Giving Vince a single creative head to yell at sure will help the product, as we all know the problem with the WWE is the product isn't homogenous enough and the creative team aren't trying hard enough to cater to Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 7:48:15 GMT -5
I can't comment on the quality of either show because I haven't watched an episode of RAW or SmackDown! (or WWE programming in general) in years, but I will comment that blaming the decline of ratings NOW on any kind of creative decisions seems a bit weird. Of course ratings will be down because the shows are in empty arenas. There's absolutely zero point in watching the shows.
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Post by thechase on Jun 13, 2020 8:24:28 GMT -5
I guess Heyman isn’t the genius he spins himself as...... The Revival will back you on this. They said something along similar lines in an interview.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 13, 2020 10:15:38 GMT -5
I guess Heyman isn’t the genius he spins himself as...... I mentioned this previously but I feel like if Heyman cannot get his way 100% then he doesn't put the full effort.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 13, 2020 10:45:24 GMT -5
I guess Heyman isn’t the genius he spins himself as...... I mentioned this previously but I feel like if Heyman cannot get his way 100% then he doesn't put the full effort. During the TNN era of ECW, it was really noticeable.
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 13, 2020 11:22:01 GMT -5
Let's be honest. Heyman and Prichard were only ever brought on as scapegoats for Vince's creative meddling.
Prichard being in charge of both Raw and Smackdown does nothing to change the fact that it is Vince calling all the shots. He's just the last scapegoat standing.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 13, 2020 13:41:25 GMT -5
Let's be honest. Heyman and Prichard were only ever brought on as scapegoats for Vince's creative meddling. Prichard being in charge of both Raw and Smackdown does nothing to change the fact that it is Vince calling all the shots. He's just the last scapegoat standing. Exactly. We see a huge difference in NXT, where Vince doesn’t have no where near as much input (if any at all) vs Raw and SD. I would actually like to see what Heyman could do left to his own devices. Good or bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 15:13:21 GMT -5
Let's be honest. Heyman and Prichard were only ever brought on as scapegoats for Vince's creative meddling. Prichard being in charge of both Raw and Smackdown does nothing to change the fact that it is Vince calling all the shots. He's just the last scapegoat standing. Exactly. We see a huge difference in NXT, where Vince doesn’t have no where near as much input (if any at all) vs Raw and SD. I would actually like to see what Heyman could do left to his own devices. Good or bad. We've seen this already. His company went bankrupt.
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Post by Secret Clown on Jun 13, 2020 15:18:27 GMT -5
Exactly. We see a huge difference in NXT, where Vince doesn’t have no where near as much input (if any at all) vs Raw and SD. I would actually like to see what Heyman could do left to his own devices. Good or bad. We've seen this already. His company went bankrupt. I'm guessing he meant creatively not financially.
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Post by BatPunk on Jun 13, 2020 15:48:52 GMT -5
We've seen this already. His company went bankrupt. I'm guessing he meant creatively not financially. Thank you.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 14, 2020 6:25:28 GMT -5
How do these shows have any viewers left? I am as big a wrestling fan as you are going to get and I would not be caught dead watching Vinces's two wet dreams.
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Post by thechase on Jun 14, 2020 6:29:49 GMT -5
I think the flaws of Heymen's RAWs would be perfectly camaflaughed if there was a crowd to work off of, with their feedback either staying concepts off of execution or informing everyone on where to go next. It's a shame we haven't quite gotten the star-making moments that was Drew eliminating Lesnar in the Rumble again...which, unless I'm corrected, might have been a Heymen strategy.
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Post by thehottag on Jun 14, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -5
I've heard for ages that "ratings don't matter". That demographics are good, so ratings don't matter. That people are cord cutting, so ratings don't matter. That revenues are high, so ratings don't matter.
When Smackdown moved onto FOX, WWE said there would be a hard brand split. Different writers, different creative directors & different talents on both shows. But since their 'record low ratings', the brand split has effectively been ended, the heads of both shows have been relieved of their duties, & there is now one set of writers across both shows.
Think it's fair to say ratings definitely matter to someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 10:36:58 GMT -5
I've heard for ages that "ratings don't matter". That demographics are good, so ratings don't matter. That people are cord cutting, so ratings don't matter. That revenues are high, so ratings don't matter. When Smackdown moved onto FOX, WWE said there would be a hard brand split. Different writers, different creative directors & different talents on both shows. But since their 'record low ratings', the brand split has effectively been ended, the heads of both shows have been relieved of their duties, & there is now one set of writers across both shows. Think it's fair to say ratings definitely matter to someone. Definitely. Also, SmackDown on Fox is one of the better scams WWE has ever pulled off.
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Post by Viking Hall on Jun 14, 2020 11:00:18 GMT -5
How do these shows have any viewers left? I am as big a wrestling fan as you are going to get and I would not be caught dead watching Vinces's two wet dreams. Kids and those with some kind of weird brand loyalty that treat them like the football team that's been on a twenty year losing streak but that they've supported since childhood so continue to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 11:14:53 GMT -5
How do these shows have any viewers left? I am as big a wrestling fan as you are going to get and I would not be caught dead watching Vinces's two wet dreams. Kids and those with some kind of weird brand loyalty that treat them like the football team that's been on a twenty year losing streak but that they've supported since childhood so continue to do so. RAW will always be The Game Show, no matter how much it sucks. 8)
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 14, 2020 12:10:40 GMT -5
I've heard for ages that "ratings don't matter". That demographics are good, so ratings don't matter. That people are cord cutting, so ratings don't matter. That revenues are high, so ratings don't matter. When Smackdown moved onto FOX, WWE said there would be a hard brand split. Different writers, different creative directors & different talents on both shows. But since their 'record low ratings', the brand split has effectively been ended, the heads of both shows have been relieved of their duties, & there is now one set of writers across both shows. Think it's fair to say ratings definitely matter to someone. From what I've heard, USA at least is not thrilled with the demos (though that may be more an NXT thing than Raw). While the ratings are not good, I think most networks understand somewhat. No matter the issue I do think there is something to be said that even with the pandemic that WWE jsut hasn't been able to come up with a lot of intriguing TV.
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