Cobra Kai Season 4 (December 2021 - New Trailer Pg 10)

[Tenshigure]

Disclaimer: this is more of a teaser for the first two seasons that are being released on Netflix at the end of the week, but they do give us a very brief glimpse into what's coming in Season 3:



This trailer seems to downplay the redemption arc of Johnny, and to be honest I'm not a fan of that decision. Part of the charm of the first few seasons were how Johnny was struggling to bring himself up from the brink of complete failure, and this instead focuses more on Daniel's existence as if the tables weren't pretty much turned with him becoming more of a bully in the beginning of Cobra Kai.

As for the new content itself...could be either the return of Chozen, or perhaps a lost son of Miyagi's? Not sure, but no real hints on if Elizabeth Shue is making her teased return yet or not.

[BlackoutCreature]

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

Now Julie Pierce on the other hand...

[Evil Homer]

Man I wish Pat Morita was still alive , even a brief Mr Miyagi cameo would have been epic

[fw91]

Aug 26, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

Now Julie Pierce on the other hand...

He wouldn't exactly be shoehorned. After the events that ended season 2, Daniel is heading back to Okinawa in Season 3 to find himself

[James Fabiano]

Aug 26, 2020 15:14:44 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Aug 26, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

Now Julie Pierce on the other hand...

He wouldn't exactly be shoehorned. After the events that ended season 2, Daniel is heading back to Okinawa in Season 3 to find himself

For a moment I was worried about shoehorning, fearing CK might be close to shark jumping territory where they just are all, "Hey remember this character? This one? etc."

But...this would make sense.

[Mike Strike]

Meanwhile,

[Tenshigure]

Good lord that looks terrible...and completely misses the point of the show as well.

[BlackoutCreature]

Aug 26, 2020 15:14:44 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Aug 26, 2020 13:40:19 GMT -5 BlackoutCreature said:

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

Now Julie Pierce on the other hand...

He wouldn't exactly be shoehorned. After the events that ended season 2, Daniel is heading back to Okinawa in Season 3 to find himself

I don't know, I guess it depends on how they handle it. Fan ideas about bringing him back as a mobster with full-on death wish vendetta against Daniel just seem way too dark for the show.

[MolotovMocktail]

I was looking forward to binging Season 3 as one of the few positives of quarantine. Now I have to go through it without this, and wait until next year. That's a huge letdown for me.

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

I agree that Chozen shouldn't factor into the main storyline, since he has no connection with Johnny and Cobra Kai, but I wouldn't mind this season taking a detour with Daniel's story. At this point, Chozen would have harbored a grudge against him almost as long as Sato did for Mr. Miyagi. Having the same cycle of a looming death match being averted with a reconciliation and redemption would bring that arc full circle. Although it would be entertaining to see if they each have their own students (probably Sam in Daniel's case) still carrying on the vendetta, continuing that cycle.

Man I wish Pat Morita was still alive , even a brief Mr Miyagi cameo would have been epic

It's definitely a shame he's no longer with us, given how Mr. Miyagi ties the whole universe together - some people even call the movies and shows the Miyagi-verse. But in some ways, his absence does a lot to drive character development as well. Daniel no longer has someone he can go to for all the answers, and he has to figure things out for himself, often wondering what would Mr. Miyagi do. And as we've seen, particularly in the last season, he often falls short. We can see this at the end of the Season 2 finale, when he's taking Miyagi's picture off the wall, as he stares at it, he knows he's let his sensei down, and fallen short as a teacher himself.

[Tenshigure]

Aug 26, 2020 18:24:45 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

It's definitely a shame he's no longer with us, given how Mr. Miyagi ties the whole universe together - some people even call the movies and shows the Miyagi-verse. But in some ways, his absence does a lot to drive character development as well. Daniel no longer has someone he can go to for all the answers, and he has to figure things out for himself, often wondering what would Mr. Miyagi do. And as we've seen, particularly in the last season, he often falls short. We can see this at the end of the Season 2 finale, when he's taking Miyagi's picture off the wall, as he stares at it, he knows he's let his sensei down, and fallen short as a teacher himself.

I'd go as far as to say I'm fully expecting this season to be the one where Daniel comes to realize he shouldn't be putting Miyagi on a pedestal and treating him like some sort of demi-god for all of his decisions. In the first two seasons, every decision he made seemed heavily dependent on the teachings he had when growing up around Miyagi-do, almost to a fault in that it caused the conflicts within his own family and as a result even got his own daughter into a compromising situation with that fight at the end of S2.

One would hope that with this journey to Japan in Season 3, he finds something that breaks him of this reliance on his teachings and finds his own method of teaching the next generation. One that perhaps includes truly forgiving Johnny and working alongside him to take on the new Cobra Kai.

[MolotovMocktail]

Aug 26, 2020 18:30:06 GMT -5 Tenshigure said:

Aug 26, 2020 18:24:45 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

It's definitely a shame he's no longer with us, given how Mr. Miyagi ties the whole universe together - some people even call the movies and shows the Miyagi-verse. But in some ways, his absence does a lot to drive character development as well. Daniel no longer has someone he can go to for all the answers, and he has to figure things out for himself, often wondering what would Mr. Miyagi do. And as we've seen, particularly in the last season, he often falls short. We can see this at the end of the Season 2 finale, when he's taking Miyagi's picture off the wall, as he stares at it, he knows he's let his sensei down, and fallen short as a teacher himself.

I'd go as far as to say I'm fully expecting this season to be the one where Daniel comes to realize he shouldn't be putting Miyagi on a pedestal and treating him like some sort of demi-god for all of his decisions. In the first two seasons, every decision he made seemed heavily dependent on the teachings he had when growing up around Miyagi-do, almost to a fault in that it caused the conflicts within his own family and as a result even got his own daughter into a compromising situation with that fight at the end of S2.

One would hope that with this journey to Japan in Season 3, he finds something that breaks him of this reliance on his teachings and finds his own method of teaching the next generation. One that perhaps includes truly forgiving Johnny and working alongside him to take on the new Cobra Kai.

I'm fully counting on that, especially with that brief quote, "Mr. Miyagi wouldn't keep any secrets from me." The central theme of both the movies and the show has always been, balance. Cobra Kai wasn't about turning this character face or that character heel; it shows that there are always two sides, and people have both good and bad within them. But to this point. Mr. Miyagi has always been shown as truly a good guy, and Kreese and Silver as truly bad guys (though there were arguably brief times that almost made us feel sorry for Kreese). Exposing something about Miyagi wouldn't make him a bad guy - it would make him human. And since Daniel is struggling with so many things right now - his marriage, the issues with Cobra Kai, his daughter being injured, his one-time student possibly facing criminal charges, maybe even being sued by Miguel's family for his injury (Carmen may be tempted to go after the rich karate instructor who taught the kid who injured her son), the reemergence of someone who threatened to kill him years earlier, one more thing to be added to that is finding out some less than savory things about his teacher and father figure. But it would also be another way for him to take the good from Miyagi's teachings and make them even more his own.

[chrom]

Aug 26, 2020 18:24:45 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

I was looking forward to binging Season 3 as one of the few positives of quarantine. Now I have to go through it without this, and wait until next year. That's a huge letdown for me.

I've watched the first two seasons, and I honestly don't see any reason to bring Chozen into the story. Karate Kid 2 was my favorite of the original movies, but trying to shoehorn him into the story being told would just be awkward.

I agree that Chozen shouldn't factor into the main storyline, since he has no connection with Johnny and Cobra Kai, but I wouldn't mind this season taking a detour with Daniel's story. At this point, Chozen would have harbored a grudge against him almost as long as Sato did for Mr. Miyagi. Having the same cycle of a looming death match being averted with a reconciliation and redemption would bring that arc full circle. Although it would be entertaining to see if they each have their own students (probably Sam in Daniel's case) still carrying on the vendetta, continuing that cycle.

Man I wish Pat Morita was still alive , even a brief Mr Miyagi cameo would have been epic

It's definitely a shame he's no longer with us, given how Mr. Miyagi ties the whole universe together - some people even call the movies and shows the Miyagi-verse. But in some ways, his absence does a lot to drive character development as well. Daniel no longer has someone he can go to for all the answers, and he has to figure things out for himself, often wondering what would Mr. Miyagi do. And as we've seen, particularly in the last season, he often falls short. We can see this at the end of the Season 2 finale, when he's taking Miyagi's picture off the wall, as he stares at it, he knows he's let his sensei down, and fallen short as a teacher himself.

I don't think Chozen would be willing to accept redemption, unlike his Uncle who learned what his pride cost him I don't see him changing his ways.

[James Fabiano]

So here's what RLM thinks of S1 and S2...

[jobber316]

My theory on Chozen is that he'll wind up being Miyagi's son and that it was a scandalous situation that caused Miyagi to leave Okinawa for good years earlier. The main concern I have is whether this Daniel Okinawa plot will just seem aimless compared to the stuff going on back in L.A. It seems a bit like Obi Wan looking for the origin of Boba Fett to me, while the Johnny/Ali stuff with Kreese/Cobra Kai, etc. seems more like where you'll draw the money.

I wonder whether they'll reintroduce characters like Terry Silver and Mike Barnes? I would assume Silver will be back in this bankrolling Kreese now and attempting what they wanted to do back in Karate Kid 3 (namely a chain of dojos). Believe it or not I had never seen Karate Kid 3 until recently, avoiding it like the plague for 30 years. I found it kind of interesting but misguided. The heels just get sooooo much heat that there was no real pay off for any of it. I mostly watched because Cobra Kai has some references to it with stuff like Cobra Kai being banned because of Silver/Barnes.

Anyone else think Steven Seagal would have been a better choice for the Silver role? Thomas Ian Griffith looks kinda like him with the slick back ponytail look, similar height as well. Seagal would have more menace though.

[Hit Girl]

Sept 16, 2020 17:13:35 GMT -5 jobber316 said:

My theory on Chozen is that he'll wind up being Miyagi's son and that it was a scandalous situation that caused Miyagi to leave Okinawa for good years earlier. The main concern I have is whether this Daniel Okinawa plot will just seem aimless compared to the stuff going on back in L.A. It seems a bit like Obi Wan looking for the origin of Boba Fett to me, while the Johnny/Ali stuff with Kreese/Cobra Kai, etc. seems more like where you'll draw the money.

I wonder whether they'll reintroduce characters like Terry Silver and Mike Barnes? I would assume Silver will be back in this bankrolling Kreese now and attempting what they wanted to do back in Karate Kid 3 (namely a chain of dojos). Believe it or not I had never seen Karate Kid 3 until recently, avoiding it like the plague for 30 years. I found it kind of interesting but misguided. The heels just get sooooo much heat that there was no real pay off for any of it. I mostly watched because Cobra Kai has some references to it with stuff like Cobra Kai being banned because of Silver/Barnes.

Anyone else think Steven Seagal would have been a better choice for the Silver role? Thomas Ian Griffith looks kinda like him with the slick back ponytail look, similar height as well. Seagal would have more menace though.

Seagal would have rewirtten the script so that he no sells everything, and kills Mr Miyagi and Daniel LaRusso in the end.

[fw91]

I hope Terry Silver returns with his "Wah" technique to fight Johnny, and Johnny is like "The f*** are you doing?"

[jobber316]

Yeah that is the one problem with Seagal. I can't see him selling for Mr. Miyagi at all. The problem with Silver is that he really gets no actual comeuppance in the film at the end. Had such a weak final fight with Barnes mostly just killing Daniel dead, doing something illegal to be docked a point, etc. Miyagi taught him nothing new for such a serious opponent, nor did Daniel even use the vicious stuff Silver taught him. The ideal writing would be that Silver's vicious stuff played right into Barnes's strengths, but Daniel quickly realized it and stopped mid fight, then rallied for a win with something new and cool (say the handstand deal he was practicing in Cobra Kai).

I have to wonder what sort of competition either Miyagi-Do or Cobra Kai would even be allowed in at this point going into S3. Shouldn't they all be banned from any sort of competition?

[Hit Girl]

Silver got his comeuppance off screen when the EPA prosecuted him for dumping toxic waste.

The cool twist? The guy who investigated him was WALTER PECK!

[Ultimo Gallos]

Am I the only one that loves this show,but was never into the Karate Kid films...

Sure I saw them as a kid and teen. But I saw them at the most 2 times and had really forgotten most of the plots until Cobra Kai started.

[The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM}]

Sept 17, 2020 21:22:38 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Am I the only one that loves this show,but was never into the Karate Kid films...

Sure I saw them as a kid and teen. But I saw them at the most 2 times and had really forgotten most of the plots until Cobra Kai started.

That’s cuz Cobra Kai is badass and Karate Kid was for pussies.