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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 8, 2021 7:46:21 GMT -5
A petty one: the NWO coming to the aid of Sting in his WM match with Trips. Sting was pretty well the NWO’s #1 enemy for most of its run, why do they suddenly decided to help him?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 8, 2021 8:18:40 GMT -5
Would Chyna fighting for the women's title after she kayfabe-proved she can hang with the guys count? I mean, I feel they backed themselves into a corner with this. Yeah she left the company as she was Women's Champion, but how would they book her to lose it(most likely due to some sort of cheating)? Wouldn't that make whoever defeated her for it be able to challenge for the IC title and beyond? Again, in kayfabe. I do also wonder how they were going to get the belt off of Chyna. As soon as she became the WWF Women's Champion, she buried the rest of the competition. Yeah, she didn't want to compete with the women to begin with, since, I've heard Chyna could be a total sweetheart in some ways, but she did also get quite an ego. She considered the women beneath her, and had previously gotten into an argument with Sable during a promotional appearance that seemed to be genuine, with Chyna saying her going for Sable's title wouldn't be interesting because she'd easily beat her and anyone else. When the time came to compete with the women, she had initially had a chip on her shoulder and was condescending to Ivory, according to her, but that she warmed up after they began working together and Chyna understood that A. Ivory knew what she was doing, and B. Ivory was *trying* to make Chyna look like a million bucks, and that she needed to trust her if they were going to do their best. I do wonder if Chyna felt a bit threatened by Lita's popularity. Chyna was the bigger star for them still, but she had also plateaued in WWE, while being impatient with opportunities outside of WWE, many of which dried up when she left and thus didn't have crossbranding potential. Obviously, she wouldn't know that yet, but she did have to realize that the "Lady wrestler who can keep up with the guys" niche she previously occupied was now also going to Lita, bit by bit, and the same wave she road on wasn't likely to circle back around to her again barring some breakthrough like movie roles.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Dec 8, 2021 12:44:53 GMT -5
A petty one: the NWO coming to the aid of Sting in his WM match with Trips. Sting was pretty well the NWO’s #1 enemy for most of its run, why do they suddenly decided to help him? You can actually explain that one in kayfabe. Sting joined the Wolfpac with Nash after the main NWO v Sting feud ended and they were also allies in TNA. While Nash had been feuding with HHH the last time we saw him on TV. If he's friends with Sting and enemies with HHH obviously he'll help Sting. Hall goes where Nash goes. And Hogan and Sting were also on good terms at the end of WCW in the Millionaire's Club and in TNA too whereas he's never had any kind of relationship with HHH.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 9, 2021 13:40:21 GMT -5
I don't get why people wanted the hardcore title so much they were willing to put up with the 24/7 rule.
Did they get paid more money or something? Was this ever explained?
And for that matter, do wrestlers kayfabe get paid at all?
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Post by wendytorrancev1 on Dec 9, 2021 15:02:03 GMT -5
I do also wonder how they were going to get the belt off of Chyna. As soon as she became the WWF Women's Champion, she buried the rest of the competition. Yeah, she didn't want to compete with the women to begin with, since, I've heard Chyna could be a total sweetheart in some ways, but she did also get quite an ego. She considered the women beneath her, and had previously gotten into an argument with Sable during a promotional appearance that seemed to be genuine, with Chyna saying her going for Sable's title wouldn't be interesting because she'd easily beat her and anyone else. When the time came to compete with the women, she had initially had a chip on her shoulder and was condescending to Ivory, according to her, but that she warmed up after they began working together and Chyna understood that A. Ivory knew what she was doing, and B. Ivory was *trying* to make Chyna look like a million bucks, and that she needed to trust her if they were going to do their best. I do wonder if Chyna felt a bit threatened by Lita's popularity. Chyna was the bigger star for them still, but she had also plateaued in WWE, while being impatient with opportunities outside of WWE, many of which dried up when she left and thus didn't have crossbranding potential. Obviously, she wouldn't know that yet, but she did have to realize that the "Lady wrestler who can keep up with the guys" niche she previously occupied was now also going to Lita, bit by bit, and the same wave she road on wasn't likely to circle back around to her again barring some breakthrough like movie roles. You know, I absolutely LOVE speaking to you. You always bring up some very profound observations. I think Chyna did see some competition and perhaps some envy with Lita. I remember in a shoot interview, Ivory did say that Chyna was extremely condescending to her (I believe Ivory stated that Chyna was a "taker" in the ring) and I heard a rumor that Chyna made Tori cry at one point. It's clear that she didn't too much care for the women of the business and deemed them as inferior to her. Some of the women could roll with the smaller men (I distinctly remember Ivory and Jackie both taking on Dean Malenko), but not all of them could, and Chyna thought she had the monopoly on women legitimately taking on men. Lita was extremely popular, with her popularity exploding when she joined the Hardy Boyz and her feud with Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley during the summer of 2000. She gained even more popularity during her weird feud with creepy Dean Malenko that showed that Lita, too, could hang with the guys. By the time that Chyna had settled into her WWF Women's Championship run, her popularity began to wane a bit, while Lita's did nothing but soar. I think Chyna perhaps saw her as a threat, and I think if Chyna did stick around and didn't have that contract dispute, she would have never dropped the title to her, or at least not directly. I also heard a rumor of an abandoned plot that was going to turn Chyna heel and she was going to go around beating on all the women for fun. I'm just not sure how much life would have imitated art at that point. Either way, I have heard the same; that Chyna was a sweetheart IRL, but could be downright cross sometimes, especially when her ego got the best of her. I was a huge mark for her growing up and she does, in my head cannon, remain the best WWF Women's Champion as she was never defeated. I just wish she never got into that contract dispute. Smh.
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Post by Ozman on Dec 9, 2021 20:56:05 GMT -5
When Seth turned on Dean and Roman and broke up The Shield in 2014, why did Roman go solo and not help Ambrose in his feud with Rollins and The Authority?
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Post by horseface on Dec 9, 2021 21:49:52 GMT -5
A petty one: the NWO coming to the aid of Sting in his WM match with Trips. Sting was pretty well the NWO’s #1 enemy for most of its run, why do they suddenly decided to help him? You can actually explain that one in kayfabe. Sting joined the Wolfpac with Nash after the main NWO v Sting feud ended and they were also allies in TNA. While Nash had been feuding with HHH the last time we saw him on TV. If he's friends with Sting and enemies with HHH obviously he'll help Sting. Hall goes where Nash goes. And Hogan and Sting were also on good terms at the end of WCW in the Millionaire's Club and in TNA too whereas he's never had any kind of relationship with HHH. They should've had the frickin wolfpac come and help him. Imagine the crowd's reaction to that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 10, 2021 7:43:55 GMT -5
When Seth turned on Dean and Roman and broke up The Shield in 2014, why did Roman go solo and not help Ambrose in his feud with Rollins and The Authority? I forget, but wasn't Roman going after Triple H or some other Authority person, just not so much Seth? I think the main reason was that they reacted differently to the betrayal. Dean cast away the Shield gear and felt Seth had ruined it, whereas Roman blamed Triple H for leading Seth astray. Even after the betrayal, in a tag match, Roman told Seth on one show, "You'll always be my brother" audibly in the ring. I guess that, kayfabe-wise, that's why Roman kept the look longest.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 10, 2021 9:23:34 GMT -5
When Seth turned on Dean and Roman and broke up The Shield in 2014, why did Roman go solo and not help Ambrose in his feud with Rollins and The Authority? I forget, but wasn't Roman going after Triple H or some other Authority person, just not so much Seth? I think the main reason was that they reacted differently to the betrayal. Dean cast away the Shield gear and felt Seth had ruined it, whereas Roman blamed Triple H for leading Seth astray. Even after the betrayal, in a tag match, Roman told Seth on one show, "You'll always be my brother" audibly in the ring. I guess that, kayfabe-wise, that's why Roman kept the look longest. Yeah, Roman was going against Kane and Orton after that, when that was done, he got injured and was out for awhile.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 10, 2021 9:52:29 GMT -5
The rules of wrestling have never made much sense to me. You're basically allowed to gouge someone's eyes and choke them for five seconds at a time without any issue but as soon as you hit them below the belt, it's an automatic DQ.
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Post by The Creepo Man on Dec 10, 2021 14:42:03 GMT -5
If you can get DQ’d for a punch or kick to the groin, why is a chop to the boobs or a kick to the ovaries fair game?
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Post by karl100589 on Dec 11, 2021 18:00:14 GMT -5
Would Chyna fighting for the women's title after she kayfabe-proved she can hang with the guys count? I mean, I feel they backed themselves into a corner with this. Yeah she left the company as she was Women's Champion, but how would they book her to lose it(most likely due to some sort of cheating)? Wouldn't that make whoever defeated her for it be able to challenge for the IC title and beyond? Again, in kayfabe. The Spike piledriver was used to make her weaker and thus more vulnerable to other women. In terms of how she’d drop the belt it would either be a triple threat where she doesn’t eat the pin or a fluke roll up ala Wilde vs Kong in TNA.
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Post by madness50 on Dec 12, 2021 2:26:11 GMT -5
A petty one: the NWO coming to the aid of Sting in his WM match with Trips. Sting was pretty well the NWO’s #1 enemy for most of its run, why do they suddenly decided to help him? That always bugged me too, especially because Hall and Nash are two of Triple H’s best friends.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 12, 2021 2:32:17 GMT -5
A petty one: the NWO coming to the aid of Sting in his WM match with Trips. Sting was pretty well the NWO’s #1 enemy for most of its run, why do they suddenly decided to help him? You can actually explain that one in kayfabe. Sting joined the Wolfpac with Nash after the main NWO v Sting feud ended and they were also allies in TNA. While Nash had been feuding with HHH the last time we saw him on TV. If he's friends with Sting and enemies with HHH obviously he'll help Sting. Hall goes where Nash goes. And Hogan and Sting were also on good terms at the end of WCW in the Millionaire's Club and in TNA too whereas he's never had any kind of relationship with HHH. the BIGGER issue of course with all this would be ... literally the night before Nash and Hall were buddy buddy with HHH and Shawn...
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Post by thehottag on Dec 12, 2021 3:38:48 GMT -5
2001 Survivor Series had Kurt Angle, planted as a mole from Vince, help save the WWF & banish 'the evil' WCW forever. Next night Angle & McMahon are booed mercilessly, whilst Austin, the guy who was trying to destroy the entire organisation the night before, & had been a villain for the past 8 5 months, was suddenly being cheered to the rafters. WTF?!?
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Dec 12, 2021 6:47:14 GMT -5
You can actually explain that one in kayfabe. Sting joined the Wolfpac with Nash after the main NWO v Sting feud ended and they were also allies in TNA. While Nash had been feuding with HHH the last time we saw him on TV. If he's friends with Sting and enemies with HHH obviously he'll help Sting. Hall goes where Nash goes. And Hogan and Sting were also on good terms at the end of WCW in the Millionaire's Club and in TNA too whereas he's never had any kind of relationship with HHH. They should've had the frickin wolfpac come and help him. Imagine the crowd's reaction to that. Nash, Konnan and Luger? Haha
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 8, 2022 19:26:10 GMT -5
2001 Survivor Series had Kurt Angle, planted as a mole from Vince, help save the WWF & banish 'the evil' WCW forever. Next night Angle & McMahon are booed mercilessly, whilst Austin, the guy who was trying to destroy the entire organisation the night before, & had been a villain for the past 8 5 months, was suddenly being cheered to the rafters. WTF?!? That one particular Raw was a critical moment in the creative downturn that the company never recovered from, even to this day. It's like they pushed the reset button and erased 6 months worth of storylines. That to me did more damage to the WWF then anything the Invasion storyline ever did. Back to the topic, how does this sound as a plothole? We're suppose to boo Molly(a heel) for being a fat-ass(she wasn't fat at all), while we're suppose to feel sorry for Mickey James(a face) for being called one. It's the same insult and body-shaming, the only thing that's different between the two is their alignments. Also, didn't Kevin Nash cherish the WCW heavyweight championship and talked about how it meant the World to him months after he intentionally lost it to Hollywood Hogan in a fluke of a match?
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 8, 2022 21:34:43 GMT -5
Miz and Truth attack people. Entire roster is scared. HHH gets no confidence vote. Johnny L is a tyrannical heel boss within like 10 min of taking over. *crickets* This is the most unbelievable thing in wrestling history. It wasnt just the heels egging the situation on. Matt Sydal did not feel safe! Maybe Johnny paid guys to not admit how terrible he was? Nah...too far fetched;-)
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 8, 2022 21:37:22 GMT -5
I got another...
Vincent being introduced into the nWo. The same nWo Ted DiBiase belonged to. The same Ted DiBiase who made Vincent do demeaning things as his bodyguard Virgil.
Stevie Richards, after forming the bWo and rebelling against Raven, comes to WCW....reverting back to his 1995 character.
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Post by Honeybear Lyder on Jul 9, 2022 7:51:20 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels' superkick being a knockout finisher in singles matches, merely a move to set the victim up for his partner's finisher in tag matches.
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