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Post by cjh on Jul 12, 2022 12:21:08 GMT -5
Piper and Snuka on the same team that one Survivor Series is another. I'd always assumed that in kayfabe, the the wrestlers didn't choose their partners for Survivor Series matches, rather they just got put together by the powers-that-be, hence guys sometimes having to team with wrestlers they'd previous had issue with. No idea if there is storyline evidence to contradict this or not.
Even if they didn't choose their teammates though, it was still weird seeing Piper and Snuka be all pally in promos.
Piper's team appeared on the Brother Love Show leading up to that show. Piper tapped Snuka on the shoulder, and Snuka started staring at him. Piper then called him "Mr. Snuka" as if Snuka was intimidating him.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 12, 2022 13:58:03 GMT -5
Piper and Snuka on the same team that one Survivor Series is another. I'd always assumed that in kayfabe, the the wrestlers didn't choose their partners for Survivor Series matches, rather they just got put together by the powers-that-be, hence guys sometimes having to team with wrestlers they'd previous had issue with. No idea if there is storyline evidence to contradict this or not. Even if they didn't choose their teammates though, it was still weird seeing Piper and Snuka be all pally in promos.
Piper's team appeared on the Brother Love Show leading up to that show. Piper tapped Snuka on the shoulder, and Snuka started staring at him. Piper then called him "Mr. Snuka" as if Snuka was intimidating him. Think he made reference to the feud another time too. Not Survivor Series, but Demolition rehiring Mr. Fuji after abandoning them 2 years prior.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 12, 2022 15:18:50 GMT -5
Piper's team appeared on the Brother Love Show leading up to that show. Piper tapped Snuka on the shoulder, and Snuka started staring at him. Piper then called him "Mr. Snuka" as if Snuka was intimidating him. Think he made reference to the feud another time too. Not Survivor Series, but Demolition rehiring Mr. Fuji after abandoning them 2 years prior. Was Ax still around or was it just Smash and Crush at that point? If Ax was gone you could write it as Ax was the main proponent for leaving Fuji and Smash just went along with it, but after Ax was gone Smash convinced Crush that having Fuji could revitalize Demolition after they lost the titles to the Hart Foundation.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 12, 2022 15:38:04 GMT -5
Think he made reference to the feud another time too. Not Survivor Series, but Demolition rehiring Mr. Fuji after abandoning them 2 years prior. Was Ax still around or was it just Smash and Crush at that point? If Ax was gone you could write it as Ax was the main proponent for leaving Fuji and Smash just went along with it, but after Ax was gone Smash convinced Crush that having Fuji could revitalize Demolition after they lost the titles to the Hart Foundation. Well he IS the one who called him a stooge.
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Post by fg on Jul 12, 2022 15:55:02 GMT -5
Was Ax still around or was it just Smash and Crush at that point? If Ax was gone you could write it as Ax was the main proponent for leaving Fuji and Smash just went along with it, but after Ax was gone Smash convinced Crush that having Fuji could revitalize Demolition after they lost the titles to the Hart Foundation. Well he IS the one who called him a stooge. Mr. Fuji managed the three man version of Demolition. Him and Bobby Heenan accompanied them to the ring (along with Demo’s partner Mr. Perfect.) at the SSeries in 1990.
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Post by NickGemini12 on Jul 12, 2022 17:50:39 GMT -5
Undertaker returning as the American Bad Ass in 2000 without any kayfabe explanation of him becoming a human instead of the Deadman & seemingly losing all his supernatural powers.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 12, 2022 17:52:51 GMT -5
Undertaker returning as the American Bad Ass in 2000 without any kayfabe explanation of him becoming a human instead of the Deadman & seemingly losing all his supernatural powers. Oh, that was a whole mess with someone called The Embalmer...and Kane was partnered with another child of Paul Bearer called "Jezebel". [Seriously, the Undertaker comic series was screwy.]
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 12, 2022 18:18:52 GMT -5
Undertaker returning as the American Bad Ass in 2000 without any kayfabe explanation of him becoming a human instead of the Deadman & seemingly losing all his supernatural powers. He was starting to act more human-like before he left. He would wear regular street clothes on occasion and I think he even cut a "shoot" promo on Vince for some reason. I just recalled this, remember when he was scheduled to return at the 2003 Rumble? All the imagery in the hype videos were of Deadman Taker so everyone naturally assumed he was returning with that gimmick and got excited. Then it gets to number 30 in the Rumble, the buzzer sounds and it's still his ABA music and he comes out on his bike like normal. The confusion and deflation in the crowd was almost palpable.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 12, 2022 18:20:54 GMT -5
Undertaker returning as the American Bad Ass in 2000 without any kayfabe explanation of him becoming a human instead of the Deadman & seemingly losing all his supernatural powers. He was starting to act more human-like before he left. He would wear regular street clothes on occasion and I think he even cut a "shoot" promo on Vince for some reason. I just recalled this, remember when he was scheduled to return at the 2003 Rumble? All the imagery in the hype videos were of Deadman Taker so everyone naturally assumed he was returning with that gimmick and got excited. Then it gets to number 30 in the Rumble, the buzzer sounds and it's still his ABA music and he comes out on his bike like normal. The confusion and deflation in the crowd was almost palpable. IIRC there was one last promo pre-Royal Rumble referencing ABA Undertaker. Still, I wonder if the reactions to Deadman Undertaker promos for 2003 Rumble are what convinced all involved to change him to that by WrestleMania XX.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jul 12, 2022 18:23:37 GMT -5
He was starting to act more human-like before he left. He would wear regular street clothes on occasion and I think he even cut a "shoot" promo on Vince for some reason. I just recalled this, remember when he was scheduled to return at the 2003 Rumble? All the imagery in the hype videos were of Deadman Taker so everyone naturally assumed he was returning with that gimmick and got excited. Then it gets to number 30 in the Rumble, the buzzer sounds and it's still his ABA music and he comes out on his bike like normal. The confusion and deflation in the crowd was almost palpable. IIRC there was one last promo pre-Royal Rumble referencing ABA Undertaker. Still, I wonder if the reactions to Deadman Undertaker promos for 2003 Rumble are what convinced all involved to change him to that by WrestleMania XX. I wouldn't be shocked. Undertaker going back to the Deadman gimmick and Kane putting his mask back on were always when's not if's but it always surprised me that it took as long as 4 and 8 years respectively for each to happen.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 12, 2022 18:26:20 GMT -5
Wasn't there a RAW where The Shield took on the entire locker room as heel and were able to overpower them, but when they were face, they were booked as if they were at a disadvantage? I wasn't fully watching at the time, but I'm almost certain something like that happened.
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 13, 2022 7:21:56 GMT -5
You know this got me thinking, is WWE suppose to exist in the real World or not? For example, storylines where wrestlers are broke and do demeaning things for money. Such as Nikolai Volkoff and Shawn Michaels working under Ted Dibiase and JBL respectively. Does the company not pay them enough that they need to supplement their incomes? With Michaels' case he lost his families savings during the 2008/9 global recession, so he reluctantly accepted a one-year general employment contract from Bradshaw. He then defeated him at No Way Out to get out of his contract and receive the money he promised him. I'd imagine being a 20 year veteran, he would get extra incentives from the E. Couldn't he have gotten a GM role while still wrestling? That's what William Regal did earlier in the decade. Or what about Big Show's case where he's gone broke? It was also stated in that storyline that The Big Show was a mentor to Stephanie McMahon when they were younger, even hanging out with her backstage at WWF shows in the 1980s, even though Show attended High School in South Carolina, while Stephanie lived in Greenwich, Connecticut(when not on the road). Plus, Big Show debuted with the company in 1999 and the commentators acted like they didn't know who he was. It just dosen't add up. There's more to it that dosen't make sense, but hopefully this induction will put things in perspective... www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-big-show-vs-the-authority/
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 13, 2022 9:59:54 GMT -5
You know this got me thinking, is WWE suppose to exist in the real World or not? For example, storylines where wrestlers are broke and do demeaning things for money. Such as Nikolai Volkoff and Shawn Michaels working under Ted Dibiase and JBL respectively. Does the company not pay them enough that they need to supplement their incomes? With Michaels' case he lost his families savings during the 2008/9 global recession, so he reluctantly accepted a one-year general employment contract from Bradshaw. He then defeated him at No Way Out to get out of his contract and receive the money he promised him. I'd imagine being a 20 year veteran, he would get extra incentives from the E. Couldn't he have gotten a GM role while still wrestling? That's what William Regal did earlier in the decade. Or what about Big Show's case where he's gone broke? It was also stated in that storyline that The Big Show was a mentor to Stephanie McMahon when they were younger, even hanging out with her backstage at WWF shows in the 1980s, even though Show attended High School in South Carolina, while Stephanie lived in Greenwich, Connecticut(when not on the road). Plus, Big Show debuted with the company in 1999 and the commentators acted like they didn't know who he was. It just dosen't add up. There's more to it that dosen't make sense, but hopefully this induction will put things in perspective... www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-big-show-vs-the-authority/TBF, Volkoff had not worked for the WWF for awhile by this time, when things went downhill for him. Maybe DiBiase could not only pay him, but he was the only one who could get him a decent WWF contract? And if the WWF/E is so lousy at paying people, why did people with good regular paying jobs as trashmen, plumbers, race car drivers etc. give up their vocations to become wrestlers? Or did they keep their jobs and it made up for their WWF contracts not paying the bills? (Kinda like someone working at a sunglass hut, but what are the chances of that?) You know, these storylines would have worked better in ECW. Think about it.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jul 13, 2022 10:23:29 GMT -5
Wasn't there a RAW where The Shield took on the entire locker room as heel and were able to overpower them, but when they were face, they were booked as if they were at a disadvantage? I wasn't fully watching at the time, but I'm almost certain something like that happened. They lost that mean streak that allowed them to beat up everybody else? On a similar note about things that don't make sense,The Shield being able to take down everyone was a lot more believable than Freaking R-Truth and Miz having the entire roster shook
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Post by sungod2020 on Jul 13, 2022 10:29:05 GMT -5
You know this got me thinking, is WWE suppose to exist in the real World or not? For example, storylines where wrestlers are broke and do demeaning things for money. Such as Nikolai Volkoff and Shawn Michaels working under Ted Dibiase and JBL respectively. Does the company not pay them enough that they need to supplement their incomes? With Michaels' case he lost his families savings during the 2008/9 global recession, so he reluctantly accepted a one-year general employment contract from Bradshaw. He then defeated him at No Way Out to get out of his contract and receive the money he promised him. I'd imagine being a 20 year veteran, he would get extra incentives from the E. Couldn't he have gotten a GM role while still wrestling? That's what William Regal did earlier in the decade. Or what about Big Show's case where he's gone broke? It was also stated in that storyline that The Big Show was a mentor to Stephanie McMahon when they were younger, even hanging out with her backstage at WWF shows in the 1980s, even though Show attended High School in South Carolina, while Stephanie lived in Greenwich, Connecticut(when not on the road). Plus, Big Show debuted with the company in 1999 and the commentators acted like they didn't know who he was. It just dosen't add up. There's more to it that dosen't make sense, but hopefully this induction will put things in perspective... www.wrestlecrap.com/inductions/induction-big-show-vs-the-authority/TBF, Volkoff had not worked for the WWF for awhile by this time, when things went downhill for him. Maybe DiBiase could not only pay him, but he was the only one who could get him a decent WWF contract? And if the WWF/E is so lousy at paying people, why did people with good regular paying jobs as trashmen, plumbers, race car drivers etc. give up their vocations to become wrestlers? Or did they keep their jobs and it made up for their WWF contracts not paying the bills? (Kinda like someone working at a sunglass hut, but what are the chances of that?) You know, these storylines would have worked better in ECW. Think about it. Well, you could say that times were tough in the mid-90s, that they were wrestlers FIRST, and then took up a second job to supplement their incomes. Though that didn't apply to Bob Holly's case since he did have auto racing experience prior to joining the WWF. Jeff Jarrett was trying used the World Wrestling Federation as a platform to get a record deal with Nashville, so it was basically a means to an end. IRS, an accountant, however didn't need the WWF.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Jul 13, 2022 10:40:51 GMT -5
I got another... Vincent being introduced into the nWo. The same nWo Ted DiBiase belonged to. The same Ted DiBiase who made Vincent do demeaning things as his bodyguard Virgil. Given what we know about him in real life, I can EASILY believe he'd join up with the NWO if it meant a steady paycheck and the opportunity to sell NWO merch
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 13, 2022 11:24:25 GMT -5
Wasn't there a RAW where The Shield took on the entire locker room as heel and were able to overpower them, but when they were face, they were booked as if they were at a disadvantage? I wasn't fully watching at the time, but I'm almost certain something like that happened. They lost that mean streak that allowed them to beat up everybody else? On a similar note about things that don't make sense,The Shield being able to take down everyone was a lot more believable than Freaking R-Truth and Miz having the entire roster shook On the opposite end, Hulk Hogan was nigh invincible and had the ability to become totally invulnerable and usually instantly defeat anyone when he was a face. As a heel, he lost those powers. On the other end, the Road Warriors as faces became more vulnerable when they were no selling monsters as heels that you had to play dirty to get one up on. Even the Apter mags called them out on this (all the "have the Warriors gone soft?" articles) And I know that faces have to sell more to be more sympathetic.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 13, 2022 11:29:42 GMT -5
They lost that mean streak that allowed them to beat up everybody else? On a similar note about things that don't make sense,The Shield being able to take down everyone was a lot more believable than Freaking R-Truth and Miz having the entire roster shook On the opposite end, Hulk Hogan was nigh invincible and had the ability to become totally invulnerable and usually instantly defeat anyone when he was a face. As a heel, he lost those powers. Well, that could be hinted at as he got energy from the cheers of the fans (specifically the Hulkamaniac ones). Sure he got some cheers in the nWo as Hollywood Hogan, but the energy wasn't the same. It's why it was able to return when he fought Rock at Mania 18: Hulkamaniacs were in the crowd in droves, and it revitalized that nerve in Hogan. It happened near the end of his WCW run too, yes, but nowhere near as much as there.
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Post by karl100589 on Jul 13, 2022 11:41:02 GMT -5
Ted Dibiase, the kayfebe richest man in the world, announces his plan to set up a super team to take over the WWF. Yet despite all his wealth the best people he could find were Bundy, 47 year old Volkoff and IRS.
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 13, 2022 11:42:15 GMT -5
Ted Dibiase, the kayfebe richest man in the world, announces his plan to set up a super team to take over the WWF. Yet despite all his wealth the best people he could find were Bundy, 47 year old Volkoff and IRS. I mean, multi-millionaire (since Billionaire was rare back then) making huge promises but under-delivering? Sounds about right to me.
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