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Post by chazraps on Nov 30, 2020 4:32:14 GMT -5
I was in front of a birthday pary of 7-9 year olds at Wrestlemania 29, so I'm super biased, but hearing their elation as Cena defeated the Rock, and the desperation during the moments where Cena was in peril prior, is a really special wrestling moment for me.
Once the three count happened I turned around and high fived them all in a line as they celebrated.
Cena matches are much better surrounded by children.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Nov 30, 2020 14:07:18 GMT -5
Rumble 2008.
A genuine surprise return and a great victory
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Post by sportatorium on Nov 30, 2020 15:42:27 GMT -5
Rumble 2008. A genuine surprise return and a great victory This. Mania 22 against Triple H as well. P
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 30, 2020 17:20:14 GMT -5
Kinda controversial but I loved when he beat Brock in that first match back. Dude got beat up and tortured but Brock underestimated Cena’s old ability to fight dirty. The reputation of this match has been slightly changed because Cena didn't go away after it. He cut a promo after that match that sounded a whole lot like 'I got pretty banged up even though I won so I think I'm gonna go lie down in a dark room for a few months' and then just didn't, which for a lot of folks I think undercut the match. In subsequent years a lot of folks have continued to question the result, and while I still think it was the wrong choice, it really didn't matter and Brock's heat got damaged by his feud with Hunter, not Cena. My favorite LMS match. Umaga should have been MADE after that It’s really a shame the dude had so many issues. This is why one of the big promotions needs to sign Jacob Fatu and get this shit done right. When he smacked up Baron Corbin and told him to stay out grown folk business I have to say, this is another one that I thought was a completely nonsensical booking decision - Cena was burying him verbally during the match - and I am a huge Corbin mark going back to NXT, and it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. The chamber match where Edge cashed in. No, I said “where Cena looked strong.” Cute little answers like Summerslam 2014 or when he jobbed to Taker or got embarrassed in some way, that’s not what I was looking for. It still is an example whether that person was taking the piss or not. Didn't he kick out of the first spear too? He looked like a f***ing beast. It's part of what got Edge over as such a cheating piece of shit, because he knew he didn't have a chance against Cena in a fair fight. In fact, the first moment I want to cite as one of my favourites is actually Cena jobbing in another chamber. I think it was the one where Edge knocked Kofi out of the main event after he lost quick in the opening match, and the whole match was building to Cena coming out - he runs wild for a bit, then the three remaining guys all nuked Cena, the incumbent champion, and pinned him. The place came unglued, and the way Edge, Mysterio and Jericho all looked at each other like 'GUYS WE JUST KILLED SUPERMAN' was amazing. Part of what makes Cena's strong booking better for so many in hindsight is because the times he did do a job for somebody were f***ing electric. It all went very poorly, very quickly, but the original Nexus attack is the one time that Cena felt like the cool, admirable, insanely tough superhero that they wanted him to be. Seven guys show up and destroy everything, then surround Cena. And he has this wonderful, wordless moment of "Well, guess I gotta fight all seven of you, then!" and tries to do it. He can't win but he tries anyway because he has to. THAT'S a hero. And appropriately, it takes all seven guys and all of their finishers to do it, and for the first time in a long time, a lot of us bought it because they bothered to make it look hard to be that tough. That seems to be the common thread among choices: any time he looks like he has to work for it, it feels earned. It's Hogan's secret: if you make it seem like you're worried you might lose, the fans will be worried you might lose, too, and even more of them will be happy if you win. I'll add to this the Rumble match where he showed up to eliminate the Nexus members in 2011. The crowd was actually really hot for it, and I got real hyped when he started knocking those fools out after they'd been around for so long beating the system. The double-AA to Big Show and Edge. This was another one I came to post. Cena had been throwing around big sacks of meat for so long I'd ceased to be impressed, then he hit it on BOTH OF THEM. I know this doesn't really count for this thread, but one thing I want to shout out to Cena's credit is that while I didn't really start enjoying his matches until 2011 or so, in the 2008-11 period when he was given a chance to go off on the mic, few people on the roster could touch him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 17:24:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure if it counts, but when he was getting his ass kicked by Brock and kept fighting back at Extreme Rules is the only time I've ever sympathized with Cena and actually looked at him as an underdog.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 30, 2020 17:29:11 GMT -5
I think Cena might have been one of the legit strongest dudes in wrestling history. Like the double AA to the Big Show *and* Edge? That's, what, like 630 + pounds on your shoulders? Edge's genuine "Yeah no, I'm not being on the bottom of this landing" bail on that spot kinda tells you all you need to know about how much Cena was lifting
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 1, 2020 5:43:18 GMT -5
I think Cena might have been one of the legit strongest dudes in wrestling history. Like the double AA to the Big Show *and* Edge? That's, what, like 630 + pounds on your shoulders? Edge's genuine "Yeah no, I'm not being on the bottom of this landing" bail on that spot kinda tells you all you need to know about how much Cena was lifting Show discussed how strong John Cena is --- The third wrestler Show singled out was none other than John Cena. He said, "Cena is the most functionally strong guy I’ve ever been in the ring with." He added, "Like when John Cena has me on his shoulders there’s no wobbly hips, the stabilizer muscles aren’t week, his back erector muscles aren’t week. He is literally like a mechanical forklift. Ridiculous how strong he is." --- www.cbr.com/the-big-show-ranks-wrestlers-he-faced/
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 1, 2020 7:26:05 GMT -5
Kinda controversial but I loved when he beat Brock in that first match back. Dude got beat up and tortured but Brock underestimated Cena’s old ability to fight dirty. The reputation of this match has been slightly changed because Cena didn't go away after it. He cut a promo after that match that sounded a whole lot like 'I got pretty banged up even though I won so I think I'm gonna go lie down in a dark room for a few months' and then just didn't, which for a lot of folks I think undercut the match. In subsequent years a lot of folks have continued to question the result, and while I still think it was the wrong choice, it really didn't matter and Brock's heat got damaged by his feud with Hunter, not Cena. IMO, Brock utterly crushing Cena at SummerSlam 2014 wouldn’t nearly have the same impact that it did if Cena didn’t win Brock’s return match.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 1, 2020 8:04:07 GMT -5
The reputation of this match has been slightly changed because Cena didn't go away after it. He cut a promo after that match that sounded a whole lot like 'I got pretty banged up even though I won so I think I'm gonna go lie down in a dark room for a few months' and then just didn't, which for a lot of folks I think undercut the match. In subsequent years a lot of folks have continued to question the result, and while I still think it was the wrong choice, it really didn't matter and Brock's heat got damaged by his feud with Hunter, not Cena. IMO, Brock utterly crushing Cena at SummerSlam 2014 wouldn’t nearly have the same impact that it did if Cena didn’t win Brock’s return match. You actually make a good point, and Heyman's promos put over Brock not being 100% until then anyway.
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Post by mike1287 on Dec 1, 2020 8:43:52 GMT -5
Cena making out with Eve in front of a wheelchair bound Zack Ryder was the move of a true Alpha.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Dec 1, 2020 15:19:16 GMT -5
Relax yourself. I meant his actual performance in the Chamber match.
*Oh*. Sorry, I apologize.😐 I enjoyed the hell out of that chamber match. Cena got the crap beat out of him and still kept going. The fans booed the shit out of him to the point Chris Masters and Carlito were getting massive cheers. Yet Cena still pulled off the win. The Edge cash in was the icing on the cake
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Post by warden on Dec 1, 2020 18:38:51 GMT -5
All of them. That's what big stars do. Dominate!!!!!!
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 1, 2020 18:53:15 GMT -5
While they managed to f*** up the whole thing, beating Mysterio for the title minutes after he won it was fun. If I hate anyone more than Cena it’s Mysterio.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 1, 2020 22:42:24 GMT -5
If looking strong on the mic counts, honestly, against Rock. Yes, I have criticisms about Cena’s meta/shoot stuff (which he did do during this) but I thought he handled his own against arguably the GOAT on the mic. Rock really wasn’t his best on the mic during this. A lot of it was endless ramble I.e the “trending” stuff. Cena was far more concise and had better content against Rock (probably because he knew he had to). Going back and watching, even with the crowd on Rocks side, I enjoyed Cena’s stuff more. With the exception of Rocks backstage vignette with the Cena kid.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 2, 2020 1:57:48 GMT -5
If looking strong on the mic counts, honestly, against Rock. Yes, I have criticisms about Cena’s meta/shoot stuff (which he did do during this) but I thought he handled his own against arguably the GOAT on the mic. Rock really wasn’t his best on the mic during this. A lot of it was endless ramble I.e the “trending” stuff. Cena was far more concise and had better content against Rock (probably because he knew he had to). Going back and watching, even with the crowd on Rocks side, I enjoyed Cena’s stuff more. With the exception of Rocks backstage vignette with the Cena kid. There was one promo on I think the go home for Mania 28. Cena said something to the effect of “You come out here and insult me for being a hero to kids. I’m damn proud of that fact and there’s a lot you can judge me on, superstar but not that one.” That rules.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 2, 2020 2:27:04 GMT -5
It all went very poorly, very quickly, but the original Nexus attack is the one time that Cena felt like the cool, admirable, insanely tough superhero that they wanted him to be. Seven guys show up and destroy everything, then surround Cena. And he has this wonderful, wordless moment of "Well, guess I gotta fight all seven of you, then!" and tries to do it. He can't win but he tries anyway because he has to. THAT'S a hero. And appropriately, it takes all seven guys and all of their finishers to do it, and for the first time in a long time, a lot of us bought it because they bothered to make it look hard to be that tough. That seems to be the common thread among choices: any time he looks like he has to work for it, it feels earned. It's Hogan's secret: if you make it seem like you're worried you might lose, the fans will be worried you might lose, too, and even more of them will be happy if you win. Remember when the crowd actually chanted Never Give Up when he was forced to join Nexus. Jesus Christ. which was after when a lot of people state Cena "killed Nexus" at Summerslam... which is why that argument doesn't really hold water... cause the NExus was still booked super strong after that. THey probably should have reversed the decision of the match on the fly when they realized they had like 2 minutes before the show was cut off, but the Nexus were still a threat afterwards.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 2, 2020 2:32:18 GMT -5
most of the specific ones I could think of have been mentioned... including dragging Khali to probably the one watchable match he's had. The reputation of this match has been slightly changed because Cena didn't go away after it. He cut a promo after that match that sounded a whole lot like 'I got pretty banged up even though I won so I think I'm gonna go lie down in a dark room for a few months' and then just didn't, which for a lot of folks I think undercut the match. In subsequent years a lot of folks have continued to question the result, and while I still think it was the wrong choice, it really didn't matter and Brock's heat got damaged by his feud with Hunter, not Cena. IMO, Brock utterly crushing Cena at SummerSlam 2014 wouldn’t nearly have the same impact that it did if Cena didn’t win Brock’s return match. Yeah, Cena being the top guy that we saw always take a beating but keep going helped.... and that we saw him do it to Brock before also added some to Brock's aura of well who the hell is going to stop him now?
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Post by MOONDOG on Dec 2, 2020 9:22:54 GMT -5
Kinda controversial but I loved when he beat Brock in that first match back. Dude got beat up and tortured but Brock underestimated Cena’s old ability to fight dirty. Love that match. Was legit scared for him 5 minutes in. I still think back to the little kid with his parents in the front row decked out in Cena Green, Cena was Superman actually defeating Doomsday in his eyes.
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Post by bmfjules on Dec 2, 2020 9:24:49 GMT -5
Idk either the 12th or 18th time he AA’d the Big Show. Stop being ridiculous.
No one can AA the Big Show.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 2, 2020 9:32:23 GMT -5
Kinda controversial but I loved when he beat Brock in that first match back. Dude got beat up and tortured but Brock underestimated Cena’s old ability to fight dirty. Love that match. Was legit scared for him 5 minutes in. I still think back to the little kid with his parents in the front row decked out in Cena Green, Cena was Superman actually defeating Doomsday in his eyes. That kid in the crowd actually enhances the match. Say what you will about Brock, he was perfect in that role of not giving a crap about how the young fans felt. Then he gets cocky, and Cena’s able to eek out a win over someone who outmatched him.
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