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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Jan 5, 2021 12:10:47 GMT -5
Both shows are main roster which means Vince ostensibly has looney control over everything. Both shows have the same production crew. Both have the same writers. Both have equally good levels of talent.
Smackdown tends to be looked at most weeks as the better show.
How the f*** can the same crew and same Vince work on the same shows and yet one be better more often than not? I legit do not understand how this is possible.
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Post by mistery on Jan 5, 2021 12:16:47 GMT -5
Couple of big reasons:
1) FOX is in significantly more homes than USA Network (FOX is on free TV). And as such, the show needs to be of a higher quality, as lower ratings mean its way more likely for Smackdown to get cancelled.
2) Smackdown is only two hours opposed to three. It's not exactly a secret that WWE (especially Vince) hates three hour RAWs, which is what USA Network wants. It would be hard for ANY promotion out there to do a weekly three hour show. I'm sure a lot of promotions could book a better show than what RAW is weekly, but even then their quality would almost certainly suffer.
And as a result, Vince likely puts most of his effort into booking Smackdown, while letting RAW suffer (or he does his worst experiments there, depending on his mood) since USA Network has nothing better to air in that slot.
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Post by bob on Jan 5, 2021 12:18:51 GMT -5
RAW has 3 hours where as Smackdown only has 2
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Post by Cyno on Jan 5, 2021 12:19:14 GMT -5
I thought Raw and Smackdown did have creative teams?
Anyway, Smackdown being two hours versus Raw's three makes it significantly easier to book without filler or padding. Two hours is more or less the sweet spot for a wrestling show it seems.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 5, 2021 12:21:25 GMT -5
Both shows are main roster which means Vince ostensibly has looney control over everything. Both shows have the same production crew. Both have the same writers. Both have equally good levels of talent. Smackdown tends to be looked at most weeks as the better show. How the f*** can the same crew and same Vince work on the same shows and yet one be better more often than not? I legit do not understand how this is possible. Main reason: 2 hours vs. 3 hours. I only watch through DVR and can fast forward through the excess on Raw which makes me enjoy it much more. Other reason: there are different bookers/writers for the two shows, even if Prichard may be overseeing both shows.
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Post by Moppy on Jan 5, 2021 12:22:51 GMT -5
I know it really defies logic given SD’s reach on Fox and the money involved, but I still can’t shake the belief that Vince is far, far more involved in creative on Raw than Smackdown.
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Post by avenger on Jan 5, 2021 12:24:21 GMT -5
I know it really defies logic given SD’s reach on Fox and the money involved, but I still can’t shake the belief that Vince is far, far more involved in creative on Raw than Smackdown. USA seem more involved in creative than Fox too.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 5, 2021 12:39:27 GMT -5
It really comes down to the hour difference. Sd is an easy watch. Hell I wouldn’t say RAW is bad as much as it’s boring. When you have all that time, there’s to much filler that tunes you out. I believe there’s good stuff in between the filler but by the time it comes around you’re burned out and too inattentive to care.
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Post by BatPunk on Jan 5, 2021 12:46:50 GMT -5
How are they both worse than NXT?
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Post by Barry Jobber 81 on Jan 5, 2021 12:47:01 GMT -5
Both shows are main roster which means Vince ostensibly has looney control over everything. Both shows have the same production crew. Both have the same writers. Both have equally good levels of talent. Smackdown tends to be looked at most weeks as the better show. How the f*** can the same crew and same Vince work on the same shows and yet one be better more often than not? I legit do not understand how this is possible. Because RAW sucks and it has sucked for years. When you're under pressure to do a live show every week for over three hours, the show will suck. I doubt very much WWE has the same exact creative team for both shows. They probably have different creative teams for Raw and Smackdown. It's going to be too much of a strain to have a crew coming up with storylines for 5+ hours of wrestling per week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 12:49:01 GMT -5
SD is on FOX so they actually have to put in some effort because Vince doesn't want to be getting booted off that network.
USA has little to no leverage over WWE because it is all that is proping up their network and so Vince gives very little or outright doesn't give a crap about the quality of Raw because it aint goin anywhere.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 5, 2021 12:53:28 GMT -5
I know it really defies logic given SD’s reach on Fox and the money involved, but I still can’t shake the belief that Vince is far, far more involved in creative on Raw than Smackdown. USA seem more involved in creative than Fox too. Fox is probably just happy they have programming on Fridays that can consistently get over 2M viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 12:53:43 GMT -5
How are they both worse than NXT? IMO because NXT is its own thing , WWE barely aknowledges NXT at all so stands to reason it is the same from the creative end. Unless for some reason Vince gets stupid ideas like throwing Charlotte onto NXT.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 5, 2021 12:54:08 GMT -5
They have more interesting talent at the top of the card.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 5, 2021 12:55:18 GMT -5
How are they both worse than NXT? For me, Smackdown is much better than NXT.
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 5, 2021 12:59:10 GMT -5
Simple. Vince needs to go, booking & developmental, from top to bottom, needs to be reevaluated and restructured to work towards the talent.
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Post by eJm on Jan 5, 2021 13:01:24 GMT -5
USA seem more involved in creative than Fox too. Fox is probably just happy they have programming on Fridays that can consistently get over 2M viewers. Pretty much. Fox weren’t exactly clamoring for Smackdown to be on their network but they thought to take enough chance on it on Fridays to see what happens. They’d like the 4m WWE promised but it still does well demo wise where it’s not that big a deal. As mentioned by many others, Fox doesn’t need WWE but more eyes are on them, USA needs WWE regardless of the falling ratings. Simple. Vince needs to go, booking & developmental, from top to bottom, needs to be reevaluated and restructured to work towards the talent. But also this. For all the company’s riches, they’re completely directionless from developmental to management.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 13:03:31 GMT -5
It's all subjective, really. I don't really enjoy SD or RAW these days, but I suppose SD is "better" simply because it's shorter, and therefore has a tighter, less boring narrative structure each week. I think that SD also has the more compelling roster, likely because it's on network TV.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 5, 2021 16:37:30 GMT -5
Couple of big reasons: 1) FOX is in significantly more homes than USA Network (FOX is on free TV). And as such, the show needs to be of a higher quality, as lower ratings mean its way more likely for Smackdown to get cancelled. 2) Smackdown is only two hours opposed to three. It's not exactly a secret that WWE (especially Vince) hates three hour RAWs, which is what USA Network wants. It would be hard for ANY promotion out there to do a weekly three hour show. I'm sure a lot of promotions could book a better show than what RAW is weekly, but even then their quality would almost certainly suffer. And as a result, Vince likely puts most of his effort into booking Smackdown, while letting RAW suffer (or he does his worst experiments there, depending on his mood) since USA Network has nothing better to air in that slot. Don't disagree with either 1 or 2, but isn't it the opposite? From most accounts Vince is overinvolved in Monday Night RAW if anything, and Smackdown and NXT benefit more from his absence than vice versa. Of course, USA Network's overinvolvement also hurts the show, leading to an overly long show with too many cooks.
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 5, 2021 17:43:35 GMT -5
I am not buying the 3 hour show as an excuse when it doesn't seem like WWE is actually making the effort to book a decent show when they have a large enough roster to allocate people into feuds and such. Instead we get the same people in multiple segments every week and others sitting at home doing nothing
Why are people like in the thread about missing people not even being used or sitting at home? This has been a problem even before the pandemic started like when there were people like Luke Harper/Brodie Lee and even Shawn Spears who stated they just wanted to be on TV given something to do.
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