adamclark52
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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 10, 2021 19:05:50 GMT -5
I can only just echo the positive points and agree with them. He put on a five-star match with Diesel.
He really was the best.
It’s too bad his peak was during such a crappy era workrate wise.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 10, 2021 19:28:03 GMT -5
When I was younger, I didn't realize just how good he really was.
I go back and watch his matches now and it's crazy just how "crisp" he is at everything. Selling, offense, the flow of a match.
Like, his stomps would make contact, but wouldn't hurt the opponent. That's crazy good.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jun 10, 2021 19:42:31 GMT -5
Like, Danielson was good. Damn good. But can someone point me to a match where he got something great out of an opponent the caliber of Kwang?
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Post by eJm on Jun 10, 2021 19:43:49 GMT -5
Like, Danielson was good. Damn good. But can someone point me to a match where he got something great out of an opponent the caliber of Kwang? I mean, he got a pretty good match out of Kamala…
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 10, 2021 20:53:41 GMT -5
Like, Danielson was good. Damn good. But can someone point me to a match where he got something great out of an opponent the caliber of Kwang? Fiend/Wyatt, Wade Barrett
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Post by Triangle Lancer on Jun 10, 2021 21:01:30 GMT -5
Bret wrestled every match as if he wanted to win, and anything less was unacceptable.
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Post by britishbulldog on Jun 10, 2021 21:22:08 GMT -5
In 30 years I’ve never seen good equal. Dynamite was more innovative, many were better on the mic. But I’ve never seen someone tell a story as well as he did. I sat outside of Hogan he was the best seller I’ve seen. Watch his match with Owen at WM10. He but his knee, for the rest of the match he sold that. Watch the way he gets off the mat. Just a genius.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 10, 2021 21:31:30 GMT -5
He was certainly up there imo. Whether he was the best technical wrestler at the time...Well, I'm not sure I'd go that far. Like, what exactly does "Technical" mean? I've always kind of assumed it specifically applied to doing a lot of submissions cleanly (and being able to chain them together) and countering others moves.
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Post by mauled on Jun 10, 2021 23:00:40 GMT -5
Bret had a wonderful ability of communicating with the fans when he was fighting. Without talking he could make it appear as if he had a strategy for dealing with an opponent, and then execute it, normally by isolating an individual body part either for the sharpshooter or to stop the opponent from using their finisher. And it made everything look calculated and deliberate. You also had a range of "desperation moves". When the match wasn't going well for him, and when he was making his opponent look good, he had a variety of moves he could use to change the momentum of a match without detracting from the opponent. Moves were used for a reason, and never just to show off which some wrestlers just never understand. And he didn't use the same formula. He always changed things depend on who he was fighting and the story he was telling. We'll never properly know how he would have compared to today's wrestlers. But he was easily one of the best during the multiple eras he performed in. He did now and again use the same formula to be fair. Everyone knows about the 5 moves of Doom. While many if his matches in 89 with Curt Henning were basically the exact same match albeit that was on the House show run
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Post by mauled on Jun 10, 2021 23:05:11 GMT -5
He was certainly up there imo. Whether he was the best technical wrestler at the time...Well, I'm not sure I'd go that far. Like, what exactly does "Technical" mean? I've always kind of assumed it specifically applied to doing a lot of submissions cleanly (and being able to chain them together) and countering others moves. From Wiki In amateur wrestling, a technical fall, or technical superiority, is a victory condition satisfied by outscoring one's opponent by a specified number of points. It is wrestling's version of the mercy rule. It is informally abbreviated to "tech" as both a noun and verb. From Reddit for Professional Wresting It's basically a 'realistic' grappling style that uses holds and offence that you might see in real amateur wrestling, and it usually focuses on the tactics of weakening body parts to set up submissions. ... In pro wrestling, most technical wrestlers will also use kicks and strikes to "weaken" the opponent
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Post by mauled on Jun 11, 2021 0:32:09 GMT -5
Regal should be in in this list of great technical wrestlers imo
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 11, 2021 18:02:24 GMT -5
Regal should be in in this list of great technical wrestlers imo He would certainly be included on the list. But Bret would still be above him, I think, in that Bret was more flexible style-wise. He could carry absolute drizzlers to a decent match; I'm not sure Regal could do the same and make the drizzlers look good in the process.
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Post by J is Justice on Jun 11, 2021 18:45:54 GMT -5
I agree with everyone else.
Also, he had the best backbreaker I've ever seen.
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 11, 2021 20:34:37 GMT -5
Bret had a wonderful ability of communicating with the fans when he was fighting. Without talking he could make it appear as if he had a strategy for dealing with an opponent, and then execute it, normally by isolating an individual body part either for the sharpshooter or to stop the opponent from using their finisher. And it made everything look calculated and deliberate. You also had a range of "desperation moves". When the match wasn't going well for him, and when he was making his opponent look good, he had a variety of moves he could use to change the momentum of a match without detracting from the opponent. Moves were used for a reason, and never just to show off which some wrestlers just never understand. And he didn't use the same formula. He always changed things depend on who he was fighting and the story he was telling. We'll never properly know how he would have compared to today's wrestlers. But he was easily one of the best during the multiple eras he performed in. He did now and again use the same formula to be fair. Everyone knows about the 5 moves of Doom. While many if his matches in 89 with Curt Henning were basically the exact same match albeit that was on the House show run The Five Moves of Doom was the beginning, I think, of the sanitized and limited moveset that Vince was beginning to impose on everyone during the New Generation period and either revived during the PG Era.
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Post by wrestlefan38 on Jun 11, 2021 20:35:57 GMT -5
Best there ever was, is or will be?
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Post by Kyle Butler on Jun 11, 2021 21:34:42 GMT -5
This question, to me, is like asking “how vast is the universe really?”
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 12, 2021 7:40:21 GMT -5
"Best known" beats "Best". I have no idea about the Four Pillars. Are you a WWE writer??
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jun 12, 2021 8:11:47 GMT -5
He was an absolute machine. There’s probably only a handful of guys who made it to the top who weee as fluid as him
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Post by MrElijah on Jun 13, 2021 10:21:36 GMT -5
Bret wrestled at the same time as the Four Pillars of Heaven, meaning that his biggest competition comes from Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, and Toshiaki Kawada. Oh, and this was the absolute prime of Jushin Thunder Liger, as well. That is a hell of a hard decision for the best technical wrestler. If I define technical wrestling in terms of execution...I might give it to Mitsuharu Misawa, but he had plain more flashy and impressive spots than Bret had, which makes the comparison feel off. Toshiaki Kawada might be the best full package of storyteller and athleticism next to Bret; Kawada certainly had more opportunities to really go all out with that, which gives him a leg up when comparing bodies of work. If Bret Hart were regularly wrestling 40-minute matches against opponents of his caliber, with the intent of making money on VHS tapes that lived or died on the match quality? Bret's body of work would look very different, and he would hold the hell up to the wrestlers who did that. It's a testament to Bret's skill that he still can be considered up there to the 4 Kings despite the different styles and audiences. If there's any wrestlers that I want a Prime Bret to face is Kurt, Bryan, Thatcher, Suzuki, Bobby Eaton, Mutoh, Tanahashi, Omega & WALTER.
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