Doctor Of Style
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Well, first they love me, and then they don't. Sometimes they do it, and sometimes they won't.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jul 17, 2021 22:16:36 GMT -5
Goddamn, they want them to grow organically? Dump a truckload of manure on them, pal!
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jul 17, 2021 22:34:42 GMT -5
I for one, would love to be able to plant some seeds in a clay pot filled with dirt and grow my very own Eva Marie without the use of pesticides or other unnatural chemicals. I think an "Organic" Eva Marie would look quite different. "FEED ME SEYMOUR!!!"
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 18, 2021 9:00:53 GMT -5
Sounds like we need a working definition of “organic” in this thread.
Tell me if this works: wrestling, like all scripted media, is never *purely* organic, as characters are created, written, booked, or whatever to fulfill certain roles from the get-go with no input from the audience or, in the case of performance media, a performer/actor. However, “organic” can imply said media adapting to audience reactions based on the writing, performances, and other aspects of a character, and shuffling that character’s standing in the narrative to reflect the reception that character has received.
Like, did Steve Austin “organically” turn face in 1997? Technically not: he was booked to do that. But that booking only came about as a response to where the crowds’ reactions were pushing the Austin character, otherwise he never would have turned and likely never would have become a main eventer. The response is considered “organic” because the desire to see him at the top as strongly as he was booked to be came from the viewing audience, and less from the people backstage…not to say they didn’t like Austin or never thought he could be champion, but they still had to adjust plans and react to where the audience’s feeling were pulling the story.
Note: that’s not to say wrestling bookers should always be reactive and automatically give the audience what it wants right away, as sometimes there’s a bigger story to be told. But showing responsiveness to your audience indicates that you’re willing to allow a character or performer to grow outside of your direct creative purview, which is where the “organic” terminology comes from.
I think it also combines a bit with the “authenticity” terminology: people often associate a wrestler getting over organically with a performer who’s getting to bring authentic aspects of themselves to their performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 9:34:25 GMT -5
Before the pandemic McIntyre was probably the most recent example.
He was still technically a heel in late 2019-early 2020 when he was beating low/mid-card faces like Zack Ryder/Ricochet on Raw but he started showing more personality and the crowd took notice and starting cheering. Rather than having him revert to generic heel status they ran with it. He entered a mini-feud with Styles and Orton and seemed to be more of a tweener who was enjoying the cheers, adding crowd pleasing stuff like the "3...2...1!" thing. Then by the time he eliminated Lesnar and won the Rumble he was a full fledged face.
In less than 4 months they took someone who was a boring, un-over midcard heel and made him the top babyface in the company and Wrestlemania main eventer. They can do it they just don't do it often enough.
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