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Post by pippen94 on Aug 7, 2021 4:08:20 GMT -5
Really what shocks me more than anything is NXT UK hasn't been completely shuttered at this point But I feel like the only reason it hasn't is because they desperately do not want to lose WALTER. NXT UK has a TV deal over there if I recall, and their talent contracts are worth next to nothing as well. Nxt UK falling would be good for the scene over there
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Post by spagett on Aug 7, 2021 4:11:05 GMT -5
I wonder if the minute it became apparent NXT wasn't ever beating AEW and AEW got that contract extension that it was the beginning of the end for NXT in Vinces eyes.
People claimed WWE weren't too upset about losing the ratings battle each week but it's Vince, I bet it infuriated him that a WWE show was losing every week to a different wrestling show. Look how he still goes on about Ted Turner and how he takes any chance to bury WCW even with it being dead for 20 years. All because they had the nerve to beat him for a year and a half.
NXT were put in a bad situation and now it feels like they're being punished for "failure"
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 7, 2021 4:36:02 GMT -5
I wonder if the minute it became apparent NXT wasn't ever beating AEW and AEW got that contract extension that it was the beginning of the end for NXT in Vinces eyes. People claimed WWE weren't too upset about losing the ratings battle each week but it's Vince, I bet it infuriated him that a WWE show was losing every week to a different wrestling show. Look how he still goes on about Ted Turner and how he takes any chance to bury WCW even with it being dead for 20 years. All because they had the nerve to beat him for a year and a half. NXT were put in a bad situation and now it feels like they're being punished for "failure" Vince mentioning Ted Turner in the year 2021 in an investors call, I think, didn’t get talked about as much as it should because good lord, that came off like you’re still bitter about a failed relationship where that’s morphed into your personality. Like, Ted hasn’t been with Turner in almost 20 years. He owns several farms in Atlanta that he probably regularly goes to because he’s got money upon money. Turner probably thinks more about the crap he laid this morning in his toilet than he does about you.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Aug 7, 2021 4:55:14 GMT -5
Romantic candle light all the way baby.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 7, 2021 5:21:19 GMT -5
I wonder if the minute it became apparent NXT wasn't ever beating AEW and AEW got that contract extension that it was the beginning of the end for NXT in Vinces eyes. People claimed WWE weren't too upset about losing the ratings battle each week but it's Vince, I bet it infuriated him that a WWE show was losing every week to a different wrestling show. Look how he still goes on about Ted Turner and how he takes any chance to bury WCW even with it being dead for 20 years. All because they had the nerve to beat him for a year and a half. NXT were put in a bad situation and now it feels like they're being punished for "failure" The move to Wednesdays seem to have been damaging to NXT on so many levels. In terms of audience perception, NXT would trade on this sense that it was the hidden gem, or the diamond in the rough that is the WWE empire. I mean, Hunter would literally open show proclaiming "this ain't WWE." There was this sense that this was a product that catered to its audience right under WWE's nose. That is a difficult position to maintain when the empire then calls on you as first line of defense against the first bit of potential competition in decades.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 7, 2021 5:34:34 GMT -5
I wonder if the minute it became apparent NXT wasn't ever beating AEW and AEW got that contract extension that it was the beginning of the end for NXT in Vinces eyes. People claimed WWE weren't too upset about losing the ratings battle each week but it's Vince, I bet it infuriated him that a WWE show was losing every week to a different wrestling show. Look how he still goes on about Ted Turner and how he takes any chance to bury WCW even with it being dead for 20 years. All because they had the nerve to beat him for a year and a half. NXT were put in a bad situation and now it feels like they're being punished for "failure" Vince mentioning Ted Turner in the year 2021 in an investors call, I think, didn’t get talked about as much as it should because good lord, that came off like you’re still bitter about a failed relationship where that’s morphed into your personality. Like, Ted hasn’t been with Turner in almost 20 years. He owns several farms in Atlanta that he probably regularly goes to because he’s got money upon money. Turner probably thinks more about the crap he laid this morning in his toilet than he does about you. Also Ted Turner's 82 and has dementia. Dude shouldn't in any way be on Vince's radar.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Aug 7, 2021 6:45:10 GMT -5
Worth noting that PWInsider mentioned in a previous article that all of the cuts are due to the new CFO and Nick Khan not wanting to run in the red even for even the smallest bit of time. I think most people are pretty convinced that they are gearing up to sell the company. If they aren't a lot of these releases make no sense.
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Post by britishbulldog on Aug 7, 2021 7:08:38 GMT -5
Worth noting that PWInsider mentioned in a previous article that all of the cuts are due to the new CFO and Nick Khan not wanting to run in the red even for even the smallest bit of time. This is why I hate capitalists and their mindsets Bahaha. And without them this site wouldn’t exist
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Post by BorneAgain on Aug 7, 2021 7:27:08 GMT -5
I'm almost inclined to believe the current situation is a perfect storm of both Nick Khan being utterly ruthless with cost cutting, and Vince deciding to greatly reformat a lot of developmental because he feel the current model isn't working. McMahon especially seems like the type that eventually sees things as all or nothing, and that if NXT wasn't growing as an international brand or paying dividends quickly enough that he's deemed at as not worth putting as much money into.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Aug 7, 2021 8:12:26 GMT -5
Really what shocks me more than anything is NXT UK hasn't been completely shuttered at this point But I feel like the only reason it hasn't is because they desperately do not want to lose WALTER. NXT UK has a TV deal over there if I recall, and their talent contracts are worth next to nothing as well. To be honest, where they've got Progress/ICW on the Network now they could probably cobble together something that would fulfill the contractual obligations. I've wondered for a while if NXT UK is on borrowed time, although that may be wishful thinking because I hate NXT UK.
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Post by Convoy on Aug 7, 2021 11:33:21 GMT -5
Forgive me if this was covered, but I'm just catching up to everything from last night.
Do we know what the contract situations are for both NBCUniversal and FOX? I ask in this case to see if NXT even has to be a thing for USA in the long-term, like if WWE has to provide those two hours of programming for them in any form for the next three years, as that might be the ultimate decider. Same goes for FOX, which might have some changes coming very soon as well, apparently.
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 7, 2021 11:55:38 GMT -5
Forgive me if this was covered, but I'm just catching up to everything from last night. Do we know what the contract situations are for both NBCUniversal and FOX? I ask in this case to see if NXT even has to be a thing for USA in the long-term, like if WWE has to provide those two hours of programming for them in any form for the next three years, as that might be the ultimate decider. Same goes for FOX, which might have some changes coming very soon as well, apparently. The NXT deal with USA is separate and apart from the Raw and SD deals. I thought I remember it being reported as a 3 year deal last year worth 30-50 million per year but I may be remembering incorrectly.
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Post by Fade on Aug 7, 2021 13:09:43 GMT -5
I get the feeling they’re just going to make it OVW/FCW 2.0(3.0?) maybe with a little more attention paid to it but not as much as NXT has had the last few years. Crazy. Few months back when people on here were like “nxt might die, get revamped etc” and I thought it was crazy talk. Going back to the clone era of former college athletes being recruited to learn to wrestle the wwe style! College athletes, actors, models, oddities, body builders, giants, etc, etc, etc.. “We TRIED your Indy work rate BS pal, it didn’t WORK!”
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 7, 2021 13:55:57 GMT -5
Going back to the clone era of former college athletes being recruited to learn to wrestle the wwe style! College athletes, actors, models, oddities, body builders, giants, etc, etc, etc.. “We TRIED your Indy work rate BS pal, it didn’t WORK!” New Meltman and Man With No Belly Button?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 13:58:29 GMT -5
Format change.
They try to make it into LU....it somehow ends up looking even cheaper than MLW filming their version on a gimble.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Aug 7, 2021 14:03:08 GMT -5
well this sucks. I'll give the reboot or whatever a chance, but damn NXT was one of the best things WWE has ever done.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 7, 2021 14:29:36 GMT -5
Format change. They try to make it into LU....it somehow ends up looking even cheaper than MLW filming their version on a gimble. USA could give them their resources too, like Miz and Mrs. is like a sitcom more than a reality show so they have experience making shows with wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 18:30:38 GMT -5
Oh, hunter. Wait, is that real? Hahaha
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Post by Fade on Aug 7, 2021 20:41:17 GMT -5
Oh, hunter. Wait, is that real? Hahaha Lol..for real, for real my friend. I'm almost inclined to believe the current situation is a perfect storm of both Nick Khan being utterly ruthless with cost cutting, and Vince deciding to greatly reformat a lot of developmental because he feel the current model isn't working. McMahon especially seems like the type that eventually sees things as all or nothing, and that if NXT wasn't growing as an international brand or paying dividends quickly enough that he's deemed at as not worth putting as much money into. Last night had me looking up this NXT book and trying to find the foreword by Vince. Cause I remember it was nothing but glowing back then.
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Post by Mecca on Aug 7, 2021 20:52:58 GMT -5
WWE is basically the Walmart of wrestling now.
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