Mecca
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Post by Mecca on Aug 7, 2021 21:00:04 GMT -5
This is why I hate capitalists and their mindsets Bahaha. And without them this site wouldn’t exist Unfettered, unregulated capitalism isn't great for anyone but the rich...this idea of endless growth is comical, there's no such thing.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 7, 2021 21:14:22 GMT -5
This is why I hate capitalists and their mindsets Bahaha. And without them this site wouldn’t exist You can hate a system while having no alternative option but to participate in it.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 8, 2021 0:27:53 GMT -5
I wonder if the minute it became apparent NXT wasn't ever beating AEW and AEW got that contract extension that it was the beginning of the end for NXT in Vinces eyes. People claimed WWE weren't too upset about losing the ratings battle each week but it's Vince, I bet it infuriated him that a WWE show was losing every week to a different wrestling show. Look how he still goes on about Ted Turner and how he takes any chance to bury WCW even with it being dead for 20 years. All because they had the nerve to beat him for a year and a half. NXT were put in a bad situation and now it feels like they're being punished for "failure" It was mentioned in the release thread that WWE highly underestimated AEW's drawing power... but you also have to realize TNT was expecting ratings around 250k a week so they were not the only ones. I've mentioned before and I'll mention again, while fans may get tired of hearing about the key demos (where AEW routinely destroyed NXT) advertisers did notice so USA was seeing their bottom line effected. I think that's when USA stopped caring. I think the nail in the coffin for NXT may have been the move for Tuesday. Many initially saw this as a move for hockey... which clearly ended up not being the case. But many projected NXT's ratings to increase significantly moving to Tuesday and AEW to either stagnate or stay the same. The fact that NXT has scene minimal change and AEW has routinely been over a million unopposed? Likely proved to many the current climate of NXT ain't working. Now once again this brings up an interesting argument that many fans have to step back from. I personally find NXT enjoyable but if we are honest the move to network television has been a failure. Admittedly some of that is with WWE and USA but it's still been a bad move. I think this also brings up the notion that despite what some fans think, NXT is not a third brand. It is developmental on national tv... however it is not doing a good job of developing people I'd say for at least 2 years. Sure we can point to main roster creative but is it also fair to say Triple H is just booking what he wants rather than getting talent ready for the main roster? It does suck for fans of the brand but from a business standpoint I understand it
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Post by fw91 on Aug 8, 2021 0:42:14 GMT -5
Putting Cable ratings, and "war" with AEW aside, and higher ups "not caring," all aside, I would flat out say that NXT has become a very boring tv show dating back to when the pandemic started. I actually believe that when it stop becoming developmental, it hurt the show. There's nobody I really care about over there nor could I see being a good fit for the roster. When I think about the past and present on NXT and how they made Main roster starts or fits in their early days and to mostly really no one special nowadays, it makes you really wonder and think about what made it so special. The Full Sail Crowd? Dusty Rhodes' tutelage(I really think that Dusty really helped talent fit better in the main roster.) Less take overs? Good wrestling is good wrestling, but there's no spark in NXT to make it worth a damn or really all that worthwhile to watch. I feel like NXT died with the Undisputed Era.
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Post by Sparvid on Aug 8, 2021 6:28:12 GMT -5
Some more info in the following tweets too.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 8, 2021 6:36:54 GMT -5
No more midgets, and they want people who can be box office attractions and main characters, just like Braun and Bray.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 8, 2021 6:38:13 GMT -5
Some more info in the following tweets too. That last Tweet alone might be the most dire of all of them. Also no one is a f***ing star if you don't present them like one. And ANYONE can be a star if you give enough of a shit to make them a f***ing star. Being younger and not being an Indie Talent doesn't make you more likely to be an attraction. It might give them more control though... and inevitably that's what they want. If you have no frame of reference to the Indies? Must be a heck of a lot easier to wrap people around your fingers and force feed them bullshit. Sure seemed to work for the likes of Strowman... It's a real good thing the Alternative scene is booming and only growing because if it was some people dream to go to WWE as a kid... start makin new dreams for wrestling in other places if this is how they're gonna start thinking.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 8, 2021 6:39:43 GMT -5
That whole thing does legitimately read like their attitude is basically, "NXT failed to beat AEW so we want to cancel it entirely as punishment, but we've got a TV contract to honor so we're going to burn it to the ground and destroy its legacy first."
Also having a bunch of giant guys in their 20s only wrestling each other sounds like a great recipe for putting on genuinely atrocious programming where no one ever improves at anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 6:59:29 GMT -5
I wonder how this is going to effect the women rosters? We already know what type of women that Prichard and Laurenaitis like. This isn't going to end well for them either.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 8, 2021 7:06:56 GMT -5
Some more info in the following tweets too. I kinda get that mentality, but I was hoping for 2014-2017 NXT, than FCW.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 8, 2021 7:08:47 GMT -5
And whose to say “Curtis Axel NXT” is a fair comparison? For all we know they can be trying to go back to the days of Bray Wyatt and Enzo and Cass.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Aug 8, 2021 8:34:39 GMT -5
And whose to say “Curtis Axel NXT” is a fair comparison? For all we know they can be trying to go back to the days of Bray Wyatt and Enzo and Cass. I mean, I liked NXT’s original incarnation. Bo Dallas was an amazing heel champ.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Aug 8, 2021 8:43:18 GMT -5
Their whole mindset is dumb. I’ve said this before, but it doesn’t matter if you’re were a football player, a model, worked the indies for 10 years, or even how good you are in the ring/your promos. The way WWE pushes and develops and pushes talent has been absolutely broken besides the few stars they’ve managed to make since 2004.
Say what you will about Cornette, but he at least noticed how while yes, they hit with the Orton/Cena/Batista/Lesnar (and to a lesser extent Shelton) class, there was so much more talent he had that was absolutely f***ed that they brought in from OVW that either never got a fair chance or were jobbed out quickly. It was the same thing with FCW, the same thing with NXT. And it had shit to do with “they’re not a 20 year old football player or a model”.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 8, 2021 9:15:44 GMT -5
Putting Cable ratings, and "war" with AEW aside, and higher ups "not caring," all aside, I would flat out say that NXT has become a very boring tv show dating back to when the pandemic started. I actually believe that when it stop becoming developmental, it hurt the show. There's nobody I really care about over there nor could I see being a good fit for the roster. When I think about the past and present on NXT and how they made Main roster starts or fits in their early days and to mostly really no one special nowadays, it makes you really wonder and think about what made it so special. The Full Sail Crowd? Dusty Rhodes' tutelage(I really think that Dusty really helped talent fit better in the main roster.) Less take overs? Good wrestling is good wrestling, but there's no spark in NXT to make it worth a damn or really all that worthwhile to watch. I feel like NXT died with the Undisputed Era. Oh Dusty's death absolutely hurt NXT not all of his ideas were great but he really helped with promos and character. And... yeah if you look at NXT objectively I think it's fair to say that going away from being developmental hurt them. I'm not talking guys or girls failing on the main roster either. I'm talking people coming up and being ready to slit into a spot even with varied results I'd say they have struggled with that since arguably 2017.
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Post by thechase on Aug 8, 2021 9:19:37 GMT -5
Oh, hunter. Vince: Who do you think you are kidding Mr. Helmsley? If you think I'll let this run.... Nick: We are the boys who will stop your little game, we are the boys who will make you think again Vince: Now who do you think you are kidding Mr. Helmsley, if you think we'll let this run Nick: We want big and stronger lads who are under 31 Vince: And I'll be cutting Adam's mates because blimey is it fun Nick: So who do you think you are kidding Mr. Helmsley? If you think we'll let this run.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 8, 2021 9:21:33 GMT -5
That whole thing does legitimately read like their attitude is basically, "NXT failed to beat AEW so we want to cancel it entirely as punishment, but we've got a TV contract to honor so we're going to burn it to the ground and destroy its legacy first." Also having a bunch of giant guys in their 20s only wrestling each other sounds like a great recipe for putting on genuinely atrocious programming where no one ever improves at anything. Oh that's a huge part of it and honestly I bet Triple H sold that to Vince and USA. But as I mentioned earlier, big issue wasn't just ratings it was losing potential advertisers. The demos may seem like a small thing but advertisers noticed that AEW was constantly top in watched shows for key demos while NXT often struggled to break top 20... and the move to Tuesday, while a bit better, hasn't made a jump either. So NXT is getting reworked because it cost WWE and USA money in a sense (and they are one division that is in the red) I've said multiple times I expect to see someone appointed to oversee developmental now. As someone who enjoys NXT the show, it can be seen as a slap in the face. Buy if you look at what NXT is supposed to be? It is a necessary change People have got to stop holding on to a one month build to Survivor Series that happened due to an incident in Saudi Adabia
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 8, 2021 9:26:05 GMT -5
Their whole mindset is dumb. I’ve said this before, but it doesn’t matter if you’re were a football player, a model, worked the indies for 10 years, or even how good you are in the ring/your promos. The way WWE pushes and develops and pushes talent has been absolutely broken besides the few stars they’ve managed to make since 2004. Say what you will about Cornette, but he at least noticed how while yes, they hit with the Orton/Cena/Batista/Lesnar (and to a lesser extent Shelton) class, there was so much more talent he had that was absolutely f***ed that they brought in from OVW that either never got a fair chance or were jobbed out quickly. It was the same thing with FCW, the same thing with NXT. And it had shit to do with “they’re not a 20 year old football player or a model”. I honestly think NXT up until the first draft when Smackdown moved to USA. Obviously not everybody had great runs in WWE but I think you had a lot of girls and girls that you could move up and they'd fit right in.... heck maybe extend that to rig I think they lost the plot about after that and Triple H became more interested in fantasy booking. Now not all of the struggles are on NXT obviously but even for guys I like they just didn't have them ready
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 8, 2021 9:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 8, 2021 9:38:03 GMT -5
Trev brought it up but honestly, the non-big 2 promotions are the big winners out of this. If WWE is really gonna take their hand out of the talent pool, suddenly the water’s open for ROH, MLW, and the rest.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 8, 2021 9:53:41 GMT -5
Trev brought it up but honestly, the non-big 2 promotions are the big winners out of this. If WWE is really gonna take their hand out of the talent pool, suddenly the water’s open for ROH, MLW, and the rest. Yep. Especially with ROH seeming to have an identity again, and honestly MLW was amazing before COVID. Impact has also continued to be a great place for wrestlers to build their brand. And we cannot forget New Japan Strong Sucks in the moment but if a wrestler has creativity and ambition they will be fine
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