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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 10, 2021 14:21:08 GMT -5
It is gotten to the point I want to skip the Elite's segments so I will not be bored to death with the championship match weeks before it starts. MJF and Jericho as well is getting less than compelling and I can not see four more weeks of build helping much.
I feel these guys should all take some time off and use that time to build up the other PPV matches more.
I love AEW but I hope they get better with their timing in the future.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Aug 10, 2021 14:37:53 GMT -5
Yes - which has always been the issue when people called for WWE to revert to a four PPV model. There's a goldilocks zone though, and it's one AEW will be occupying in the future with the new specials they'll be producing for Warner.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 10, 2021 14:48:24 GMT -5
I don’t mind it at all. They always have big Dynamites and special events that provides big cards and helps with the process of waiting for the PPVs.
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Post by mattyy on Aug 10, 2021 14:58:18 GMT -5
I don’t mind it at all. They always have big Dynamites and special events that provides big cards and helps with the process of waiting for the PPVs. Yeah, we're coming off of an entire month of loaded cards, and we still have one more major stop in "The First Dance", which is probably where Omega/Cage is happening(The United Center needs that big marquee match to brag about). After that, we'll get the All Out card.
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Post by Fade on Aug 10, 2021 15:03:54 GMT -5
Don’t mind it one bit but I will say there’s been a similar pattern of a waning period that’s abruptly bookended by great booking, far and getting up to the PPVs.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 10, 2021 15:05:19 GMT -5
I don't see the issue with a Four PPV Cycle when AEW loads the space with specials where a bunch of awesome matches happen and storylines progress. They just signed on to have four big TNT Specials a year when they move to TBS. They've gotten better with their pacing since their inception and with stuff like The First Dance still on the horizon before All Out? I've felt pretty fed as a fan personally.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Aug 10, 2021 15:22:13 GMT -5
I think another way to describe my feelings is that at this point, I am very excited for each Dynamite, there is very rarely a Dynamite that is a slog to get through. It helps the pacing and the excitement level when the main show is top notch every single week. The long build up to a ppv would be horrible to get through if the shows were terrible every week and felt like a chore. AEW has never at this point in its lifetime felt like a chore. So the build up to the big PPVs never feel far away, at least to me.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 10, 2021 15:27:36 GMT -5
It's definitely a ways out given where some of the stories are, but we've had great cards to break it up and events like Rampage and next week's First Dance edition that help keep the product exciting. If they hit a rough patch creatively, it would be a chore. For now, they're mostly hitting triples and home runs so it's been easy to watch.
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Post by eJm on Aug 10, 2021 15:31:15 GMT -5
I think another way to describe my feelings is that at this point, I am very excited for each Dynamite, there is very rarely a Dynamite that is a slog to get through. Yeah, I haven't loved every Dynamite but even when an episode didn't have thrilling matches, something would happen to make me go "Yeah, that was worth the watch". To answer the question, I feel there's enough going on where it doesn't feel like I want the PPV to come and get over with. It's not that big a deal to me, is what I'm saying.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Aug 10, 2021 15:34:54 GMT -5
I don’t mind it at all. They always have big Dynamites and special events that provides big cards and helps with the process of waiting for the PPVs. Yeah, we're coming off of an entire month of loaded cards, and we still have one more major stop in "The First Dance", which is probably where Omega/Cage is happening(The United Center needs that big marquee match to brag about). After that, we'll get the All Out card. First Dance seems like a perfect place to have a big AEW Title match (and the place to do Omega vs. Christian before All Out), along with Punk's arrival.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 15:48:59 GMT -5
Yet somehow they always seem to run out of time before a ppv as well. A lot of their last few ppvs felt thrown together at the last minute.
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Post by Kalmia on Aug 10, 2021 15:59:16 GMT -5
I do think AEW would benefit from a six PPV a year model, where one is every two months. But, I think they handle four a year quite well. They're not afraid to throw big matches onto a Dynamite, and as long as it doesn't become rematch city to get to a PPV match, I don't mind.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 10, 2021 16:04:12 GMT -5
I think another way to describe my feelings is that at this point, I am very excited for each Dynamite, there is very rarely a Dynamite that is a slog to get through. It helps the pacing and the excitement level when the main show is top notch every single week. The long build up to a ppv would be horrible to get through if the shows were terrible every week and felt like a chore. AEW has never at this point in its lifetime felt like a chore. So the build up to the big PPVs never feel far away, at least to me. The worst episode of Dynamite I've ever seen would be considered "average" on my scale, so it's on really good run. I haven't been this invested in a weekly wrestling product since the Attitude Era.
As for the four PPV schedule, I think they're fine because it's usually on a three month rotation with special episodes of Dynamite to fill in the gaps. All Out also seems to be unusually late this year because it's usually in August instead of early September. Probably just the nature of booking venues around the pandemic or a scheduling quirk. Maybe it's also consideration for not bumping into their partners' PPV shows.
At most, I'd want them to go with six PPV's a year with one every other month. Don't do monthly PPV's like WCW or TNA or whatever the hell WWE is doing now. It just makes each individual show feel less important and I think it gets in the way of longer-term storytelling.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 10, 2021 16:04:13 GMT -5
I do think AEW would benefit from a six PPV a year model, where one is every two months. But, I think they handle four a year quite well. They're not afraid to throw big matches onto a Dynamite, and as long as it doesn't become rematch city to get to a PPV match, I don't mind. It's also just as Khan has said... the PPV's are really a gravy thing. Dynamite is the money show and the show they put a lot into. PPV's are good for storyline culmination and are still treated as very important, but with all the specials/Mini PPV's they do for Dynamite, it just kinda rounds out.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 10, 2021 16:06:45 GMT -5
It's been a consistent problem - there are always feuds that drag because there are a lot of shows between the relevant incident and the PPV resulting from it, and a need to keep the participants on TV can lead to stalled developments and repeated segments. It's not exclusive to All Out - Revolution had it pretty bad both years.
The special Dynamites don't help as much as it feels like they should - largely because, regardless of their existence, the matches reserved for PPV are still reserved for PPV and those feuds still get stretched.
I don't think the problem is the number of PPVS, I think this is just an inherent issue with wrestling pacing that AEW doesn't have a good answer to.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 10, 2021 16:56:03 GMT -5
No, it's just very small.
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Post by markymark on Aug 10, 2021 16:59:27 GMT -5
The pacing has been a drag during the pandemic season, its annoying yes but I kinda get it in trying to save the main stuff once they went back to the road, they have gotten rid of a lot of old feuds since All Out, MJF and Jericho is the another one that will end very soon
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Post by flowercity on Aug 10, 2021 21:26:20 GMT -5
There is going to be a gigantic angle in the next 2 weeks that will make it so most of the card seems very hot. I think this angle leads to Punk vs Omega. Stay tuned.
But yes, they peaked MJF and Jericho too early. Unless some crazy angle is coming this week no one expects. They probably should have wrestled after the Nick Gage match. That’s when it was always going to be the hottest.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 10, 2021 22:17:11 GMT -5
It's been a consistent problem - there are always feuds that drag because there are a lot of shows between the relevant incident and the PPV resulting from it, and a need to keep the participants on TV can lead to stalled developments and repeated segments. It's not exclusive to All Out - Revolution had it pretty bad both years. The special Dynamites don't help as much as it feels like they should - largely because, regardless of their existence, the matches reserved for PPV are still reserved for PPV and those feuds still get stretched. I don't think the problem is the number of PPVS, I think this is just an inherent issue with wrestling pacing that AEW doesn't have a good answer to. Imo the biggest issue for the booking was being confined in the pandemic era and waiting for it to end. I feel like things are going much more smoothly on the road.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 11, 2021 3:59:27 GMT -5
There is going to be a gigantic angle in the next 2 weeks that will make it so most of the card seems very hot. I think this angle leads to Punk vs Omega. Stay tuned. But yes, they peaked MJF and Jericho too early. Unless some crazy angle is coming this week no one expects. They probably should have wrestled after the Nick Gage match. That’s when it was always going to be the hottest. Yeah the labours are oddly arranged, ok, number 1, lowest member of the Pinnacle, fine, but then you'd think it's progress to Juvi, his rival from the past, then Wardlow, the monster MJF already has, then Gage, the monster he has to bring in when nothing else works. But overall, I'm fine with the pacing, each week does feel like a new chapter that logically progresses the storylines, either raising them a level or making me wonder where they're going, sometimes both, as long as things are moving towards an end point I'm happy, there have been misses like th never ending Taz/Darby feud but they're doing pretty well.
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