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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Oct 28, 2021 3:15:29 GMT -5
At this point it's getting ridiculous, the guy in the banana suit actually moves away from the dive and blocks Von Wagner who is clearly trying to move into place to catch them. They just parted like the red sea, nobody even got close but they still have to all fall down.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 28, 2021 3:27:46 GMT -5
Dude in the beanie was the only one that got close. Banana dude basically blocked like three people behind him.
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Post by eJm on Oct 28, 2021 3:38:54 GMT -5
It's not a WWE only problem (We had it drilled into us about catching dives when I was training because, unlike WWE, we didn't work in places with matted floors) but it is bizarre that this happens in a company with a multi-millon dollar Performance Centre and enough experienced hands to say "Hey, here's how to catch a dive". Like, it feels like The Miz alone hasn't caught anyone in a dive and he's been there for over a decade now.
Also, social media accounts of channels that have wrestling shows on them? Stop tweeting out stuff like this. It makes you and your show look bad.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 28, 2021 3:40:57 GMT -5
Like, it feels like The Miz alone hasn't caught anyone in a dive and he's been there for over a decade now. I feel like I’m the only one who remembers someone legitimately saying he tried to kill R-Truth when he missed catching him on a dive one time. |
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Post by eJm on Oct 28, 2021 3:45:12 GMT -5
Like, it feels like The Miz alone hasn't caught anyone in a dive and he's been there for over a decade now. I feel like I’m the only one who remembers someone legitimately saying he tried to kill R-Truth when he missed catching him on a dive one time. I do too and it did feel like a wild overreaction at the time, as bad as it was. People not catching Barrett was the reason he was out for so long, too. Like, hell, I know someone personally who pretty much wrecked both her arms because a dive went wrong and was out for ages. She came back and wrestled but then COVID happened so I guess she unintentionally got more recovery time. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 28, 2021 3:49:08 GMT -5
I feel like I’m the only one who remembers someone legitimately saying he tried to kill R-Truth when he missed catching him on a dive one time. I do too and it did feel like a wild overreaction at the time, as bad as it was. People not catching Barrett was the reason he was out for so long, too. Like, hell, I know someone personally who pretty much wrecked both her arms because a dive went wrong and was out for ages. She came back and wrestled but then COVID happened so I guess she unintentionally got more recovery time. It wasn’t Barrett not being caught that hurt him, it was Big Show just hurling Ziggler right at him and f***ing his elbow up on the ground or against the commentary table or something. It was some battle royal the night after everyone in it was in a chamber match, and everyone was absolutely stuffed, so guys were bumping badly left right and centre. |
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Post by eJm on Oct 28, 2021 3:51:35 GMT -5
I do too and it did feel like a wild overreaction at the time, as bad as it was. People not catching Barrett was the reason he was out for so long, too. Like, hell, I know someone personally who pretty much wrecked both her arms because a dive went wrong and was out for ages. She came back and wrestled but then COVID happened so I guess she unintentionally got more recovery time. It wasn’t Barrett not being caught that hurt him, it was Big Show just hurling Ziggler right at him and f***ing his elbow up on the ground or against the commentary table or something. It was some battle royal the night after everyone in it was in a chamber match, and everyone was absolutely stuffed, so guys were bumping badly left right and centre. Ahh, misremembering that, then. |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 28, 2021 4:00:01 GMT -5
I think they're overused and usually look obviously staged. Like Jim Ross said, a bunch of people that just stand around waiting for someone to dive on them looks pretty phony. I like to at least try to suspend my disbelief. They should stop using them so often, and plan them out better when they are going to do the spot.
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Post by eJm on Oct 28, 2021 4:04:39 GMT -5
I think they're overused and usually look obviously staged. Like Jim Ross said, a bunch of people that just stand around waiting for someone to dive on them looks pretty phony. I like to at least try to suspend my disbelief. They should stop using them so often, and plan them out better when they are going to do the spot. I mean, even if you use them less and plan more for them, it doesn’t really solve the issue of when the time comes, everyone decides to move out of the way and let said person fall flat on their face. |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 28, 2021 4:26:29 GMT -5
I think they're overused and usually look obviously staged. Like Jim Ross said, a bunch of people that just stand around waiting for someone to dive on them looks pretty phony. I like to at least try to suspend my disbelief. They should stop using them so often, and plan them out better when they are going to do the spot. I mean, even if you use them less and plan more for them, it doesn’t really solve the issue of when the time comes, everyone decides to move out of the way and let said person fall flat on their face. That's what I meant by planning them out better, make sure everyone is in position and knows exactly what is expected of them. If the people expected to make the catch still don't do their jobs, they should be held accountable. It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but should lessen the chances of somebody just going nope and getting out of the way. |
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Post by eJm on Oct 28, 2021 4:31:17 GMT -5
I mean, even if you use them less and plan more for them, it doesn’t really solve the issue of when the time comes, everyone decides to move out of the way and let said person fall flat on their face. That's what I meant by planning them out better, make sure everyone is in position and knows exactly what is expected of them. If the people expected to make the catch still don't do their jobs, they should be held accountable. It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but should lessen the chances of somebody just going nope and getting out of the way. I get that but again, it also needs to be drilled into them when they start in the PC just like other things. Or even not treat it like it isn’t a big deal like it seems to be right now. I get what you’re saying but it isn’t really an issue to be solved by planning it better, it’s an issue to be solved by the people in the PC doing their jobs. |
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Post by cornettesracket on Oct 28, 2021 4:46:58 GMT -5
I do too and it did feel like a wild overreaction at the time, as bad as it was. People not catching Barrett was the reason he was out for so long, too. Like, hell, I know someone personally who pretty much wrecked both her arms because a dive went wrong and was out for ages. She came back and wrestled but then COVID happened so I guess she unintentionally got more recovery time. it was Big Show just hurling Ziggler right at him and f***ing his elbow up on the ground or against the commentary table or something. It was some battle royal the night after everyone in it was in a chamber match, and everyone was absolutely stuffed, so guys were bumping badly left right and centre. Oh god yeah. I think it was his arm was trapped between another wrestler and the top of the announce table. I can see him screaming and in obvious pain. I think dives have their place but in general I’m not a fan of the amount of dives done due to the laws of averages and someone getting hurt. I realise I come across at times as not a fan of modern wrestling which isn’t true, it’s at times I can’t get into some of it because of the risk of some of the stuff done. I don’t like seeing wrestlers getting hurt. |
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Oct 28, 2021 4:48:27 GMT -5
At this point it's getting ridiculous, the guy in the banana suit actually moves away from the dive and blocks Von Wagner who is clearly trying to move into place to catch them. They just parted like the red sea, nobody even got close but they still have to all fall down. Who's the butthead in the banana costume? |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 28, 2021 4:51:43 GMT -5
That's what I meant by planning them out better, make sure everyone is in position and knows exactly what is expected of them. If the people expected to make the catch still don't do their jobs, they should be held accountable. It wouldn't completely solve the problem, but should lessen the chances of somebody just going nope and getting out of the way. I get that but again, it also needs to be drilled into them when they start in the PC just like other things. Or even not treat it like it isn’t a big deal like it seems to be right now. I get what you’re saying but it isn’t really an issue to be solved by planning it better, it’s an issue to be solved by the people in the PC doing their jobs. I agree, developmental absolutely needs to drill it into their heads. I was thinking more about the people already on the main roster, in any company. |
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Post by 4real on Oct 28, 2021 5:39:28 GMT -5
Would you want to catch them on that dive? That looks way too reckless for me. I wouldn’t have booked that spot in the first place.
That and the Io spot sure was a rough night at NXT.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 28, 2021 8:59:22 GMT -5
I know me and most fans I know were making a ton of Miz jokes about that specific spot, (I tend to call it the Miz Award when someone blatantly misses a catch).
But seriously, the performance center needs to do one thing: either teach people how to be bases/catchers, or massively reduce dives/lucha based moves.
On the women's roster, the only people I know who are great at catching/base work are Taya and Io, both of whom have probably more experience with it than most of the men on the main roster, nevermind NXT.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Oct 28, 2021 9:05:33 GMT -5
At this point it's getting ridiculous, the guy in the banana suit actually moves away from the dive and blocks Von Wagner who is clearly trying to move into place to catch them. They just parted like the red sea, nobody even got close but they still have to all fall down. Who's the butthead in the banana costume? Jeet Rama |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 28, 2021 9:20:26 GMT -5
Who's the butthead in the banana costume? Jeet Rama AKA a dude who has been in the PC since June 2015 (over six years ago) and is only just having his first TV matches NOW. I couldn’t justify putting him in the rookie program. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Oct 28, 2021 9:24:48 GMT -5
It's been a problem in WWE for a looooong time (see the infamous Undertaker dive), and it spread to other promotions.
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Post by Gremlin on Oct 28, 2021 9:25:30 GMT -5
Who needs performance center training when simply watching Exposed! Pro Wrestlings Greatest Secrets teaches you that you're supposed to catch your opponent?
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