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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2021 8:18:42 GMT -5
They don’t usually bother responding to negative talk & accusations by released talent so yeah I think there is something in it. Keith burning those bridges fast yikes. Nothing has honestly suggested he or Mia had any bridge left with WWE to speak of. Burn away, honestly. As for my my take on it, I get the impression WWE either feels that Keith's statement was not 100 percent right, or they're discussing something else entirely, because their statement just... doesn't really say anything particularly substantive. If it was his privacy they were concerned with, then they wouldn't have put out a statement at all, similarly with Nia Jax, who they've seemingly made no real attempt to contradict. None of it really suggests to me that there is some ultra-flattering reality to WWE's actions, and more that they felt they needed to save face. Their prerogative, of course, but with a statement so vague, I am not sure why they even bothered. They may as well have put out, "Nuh uh! -WWE" for all the clarity it provides.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2021 8:30:34 GMT -5
They don’t usually bother responding to negative talk & accusations by released talent so yeah I think there is something in it. Keith burning those bridges fast yikes. Nothing has honestly suggested he or Mia had any bridge left with WWE to speak of. Burn away, honestly. As for my my take on it, I get the impression WWE either feels that Keith's statement was not 100 percent right, or they're discussing something else entirely, because their statement just... doesn't really say anything particularly substantive. If it was his privacy they were concerned with, then they wouldn't have put out a statement at all, similarly with Nia Jax, who they've seemingly made no real attempt to contradict. None of it really suggests to me that there is some ultra-flattering reality to WWE's actions, and more that they felt they needed to save face. Their prerogative, of course, but with a statement so vague, I am not sure why they even bothered. They may as well have put out, "Nuh uh! -WWE" for all the clarity it provides. Like, that’s the key thing, if they disclosed something saying “We paid for his treatment” and had records or at least dates, it’d be easier to believe. As it is, it’s just words being put out that don’t say much of anything besides, like you said, “Nuh Uh!”. Quite frankly, the Nia Jax accusation is much more damning because the implication is that she got thrown under the bus for taking a mental health break agreed to by the company and if the case that she wasn’t vaccinated was a response, it would at least be a response. It also doesn’t help that most of the roster from the post’s likes, back her on that so that just tells me that’s true more than anything. Keith saying he paid for his particular healthcare is, if anything, a gigantic non-issue from what we know of how that stuff works contractually.
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Post by pinja on Nov 13, 2021 8:43:23 GMT -5
WWE is an awful company, but what kind of evidence are they supposed to present in public that doesn't go against information privacy?
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 13, 2021 8:47:06 GMT -5
Nothing has honestly suggested he or Mia had any bridge left with WWE to speak of. Burn away, honestly. As for my my take on it, I get the impression WWE either feels that Keith's statement was not 100 percent right, or they're discussing something else entirely, because their statement just... doesn't really say anything particularly substantive. If it was his privacy they were concerned with, then they wouldn't have put out a statement at all, similarly with Nia Jax, who they've seemingly made no real attempt to contradict. None of it really suggests to me that there is some ultra-flattering reality to WWE's actions, and more that they felt they needed to save face. Their prerogative, of course, but with a statement so vague, I am not sure why they even bothered. They may as well have put out, "Nuh uh! -WWE" for all the clarity it provides. Like, that’s the key thing, if they disclosed something saying “We paid for his treatment” and had records or at least dates, it’d be easier to believe. As it is, it’s just words being put out that don’t say much of anything besides, like you said, “Nuh Uh!”. Quite frankly, the Nia Jax accusation is much more damning because the implication is that she got thrown under the bus for taking a mental health break agreed to by the company and if the case that she wasn’t vaccinated was a response, it would at least be a response. It also doesn’t help that most of the roster from the post’s likes, back her on that so that just tells me that’s true more than anything. Keith saying he paid for his particular healthcare is, if anything, a gigantic non-issue from what we know of how that stuff works contractually. Highly doubt they’re going to unilaterally start putting out specific medical information.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2021 8:50:09 GMT -5
Like, that’s the key thing, if they disclosed something saying “We paid for his treatment” and had records or at least dates, it’d be easier to believe. As it is, it’s just words being put out that don’t say much of anything besides, like you said, “Nuh Uh!”. Quite frankly, the Nia Jax accusation is much more damning because the implication is that she got thrown under the bus for taking a mental health break agreed to by the company and if the case that she wasn’t vaccinated was a response, it would at least be a response. It also doesn’t help that most of the roster from the post’s likes, back her on that so that just tells me that’s true more than anything. Keith saying he paid for his particular healthcare is, if anything, a gigantic non-issue from what we know of how that stuff works contractually. Highly doubt they’re going to unilaterally start putting out specific medical information. Well, no, but providing the paperwork that says they paid for a specific treatment or even towards Lee to reimburse him for something would do more instead of being vague about it. Because at the end of the day, they didn’t clarify anything about what Keith said. At the end of the day, that’s the point. They just said they do but they didn’t say how and if they can’t say how, what’s the point of responding besides muddying the waters?
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 13, 2021 8:52:02 GMT -5
Highly doubt they’re going to unilaterally start putting out specific medical information. Well, no, but providing the paperwork that says they paid for a specific treatment would do more instead of being vague about it. Because at the end of the day, they didn’t clarify anything about what Keith said. The paperwork saying they paid for a specific treatment would be putting out specific medical information.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2021 8:53:42 GMT -5
Well, no, but providing the paperwork that says they paid for a specific treatment would do more instead of being vague about it. Because at the end of the day, they didn’t clarify anything about what Keith said. The paperwork saying they paid for a specific treatment would be putting out specific medical information. I edited it to clarify.
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Post by thehottag on Nov 13, 2021 9:06:56 GMT -5
Notice the statement says that 'Lee was part of our healthcare programme', & not 'WWE paid his medical bills'.
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Post by eJm on Nov 13, 2021 9:09:59 GMT -5
Notice the statement says that 'Lee was part of our healthcare programme', & not 'WWE paid his medical bills'. Which, like…what does that mean? Does that program provide for the treatment Keith got or does it only provide for in-ring injuries as other people have said? Because if it’s the former, they should clarify that and not just say it was.
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Post by thehottag on Nov 13, 2021 9:13:18 GMT -5
Which, like…what does that mean? Does that program provide for the treatment Keith got or does it only provide for in-ring injuries as other people have said? Because if it’s the former, they should clarify that and not just say it was. I suspect it might be a case of them having a healthcare programme, but because you're an 'independent contractor' you don't count for a lot of what we offer. But we're not going to say that publically, so we'll make a statement about claims being 'erroneous', & say 'you're welcome to talk to us' (e.g 'don't make us look bad in public')
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 13, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Notice the statement says that 'Lee was part of our healthcare programme', & not 'WWE paid his medical bills'. It says Lee’s claims that they failed to pay his medical bills were erroneous. Doesn’t that mean they paid? Or do you think that means they didn’t “fail” to pay them because they weren’t obligated to pay them? That would be quite the word play.
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Post by thehottag on Nov 13, 2021 9:33:51 GMT -5
It says Lee’s claims that they failed to pay his medical bills were erroneous. Doesn’t that mean they paid? Or do you think that means they didn’t “fail” to pay them because they weren’t obligated to pay them? That would be quite the word play. I think it’s supposed to sound like the former, but actually is more likely to be the latter. The wording is 'Lee's claims are incorrect because he was part of our healthcare programme', not 'Lee's claims are incorrect because we definitely did pay his bills'. The last time WWE wanted to refute an online claim, they posted a bunch of pictures of a man's arse on their website, so be thankful we didn't get that at least.
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Post by edgestar on Nov 13, 2021 9:35:04 GMT -5
Jesus christ for a split second I thought WWE's statement also began with "Greetings and Salutations!" lmfao That would have been amazing. And hilarious.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 13, 2021 11:06:27 GMT -5
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Nov 13, 2021 11:41:43 GMT -5
It says Lee’s claims that they failed to pay his medical bills were erroneous. Doesn’t that mean they paid? Or do you think that means they didn’t “fail” to pay them because they weren’t obligated to pay them? That would be quite the word play. I think it’s supposed to sound like the former, but actually is more likely to be the latter. The wording is 'Lee's claims are incorrect because he was part of our healthcare programme', not 'Lee's claims are incorrect because we definitely did pay his bills'. The last time WWE wanted to refute an online claim, they posted a bunch of pictures of a man's arse on their website, so be thankful we didn't get that at least. The Ken Burns documentary that they posted on their Youtube of CM Punk's ass as if tyring to prove he definitely didn't have a staph infection when he had a staph infection should be one of those credibility destroying things that gives anyone thinking WWE is generally on the level about this stuff a moment of pause.
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Post by nisidhe on Nov 13, 2021 14:06:20 GMT -5
If anything, I would hope that WWE's been put on notice that there's a lot of people angry enough with the company that re-signing them would be either out of the question entirely or prohibitively expensive.
Not that WWE would necessarily care, of course; the long-term plan with NXT 2.0 seems to suggest that WWE is going hard into training all its on-screen talent in-house and using only in-house talent on TV and live shows, sooner rather than later. Once that happens, it will be on the shoulders of AEW, Impact and any other national promotions available to keep the business going.
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Post by eJm on Nov 14, 2021 12:40:21 GMT -5
Honestly, the more I think about this whole thing, the more confused I get.
So by all accounts, Keith said that he paid for his own medical bills, right? He didn't specify it was anything related in the ring but to do with the stuff afterwards where he was having breathing problems and it got closer to what happened with Brodie Lee. By all accounts, WWE's medical coverage wouldn't cover that since, again, it didn't happen in the ring. It might have had a factor to do with COVID but that isn't really made clear and it's not something to really bring up besides that he had it at some point in time.
So WWE's response is to say "Keith's on our medical plan" without really referencing what that means. Does it mean just in-ring injuries or would it have covered what happened with Keith? Because either way, they can't really say that happened because it would break COPPA and even if Keith gave them permission to, it wouldn't benefit him to do so nor WWE. So what was the point of the statement? Like, was it a case of making him seem difficult and dropping his star power because jumping to AEW or somewhere else?
And, again, the fact that they said no peep about Nia Jax is weird when, quite frankly, those accusations are more damning. She's implying that her approved mental health break ended with her being fired. Now, WWE could easily say something like "Nia was someone refusing to get vaccinated so for the safety of our workers, staff and fans, we had to let her go" and that she was told about the potential ramifications of not getting vaccinated because, especially with the Kyrie Irving situation, that's something that can come up. But the fact is...nothing's been said. And most of the roster basically sides with her if the likes and shares are anything to go by. So what that tells me is that they did that and don't deny it without saying anything about it.
This whole thing just strikes me as weird, to put it lightly, especially since the latter has known anti-vax views and using that as a way of saving your own skin wouldn't exactly be a negative. But...nothing.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 15, 2021 5:10:18 GMT -5
Stephanie has said repeatedly they do not provide health insurance and only cover injury and rehab. If they covered anything else she would have shouted it from the rooftops during their coronavirus handling PR tours, rather than repeatedly stating they don't provide full healthcare for wrestlers.
Why would anyone believe the company line when they've repeatedly said what they do cover and a pre-existing condition isn't one of those things? They could easily come out and say that they help talent with X and Y without violating any laws and produce paperwork stating as much from the talent contracts, or have talent who've gone through similar things say they got help from the company... But one short statement of 'nuh huh' and crickets.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 15, 2021 11:02:07 GMT -5
Stephanie has said repeatedly they do not provide health insurance and only cover injury and rehab. If they covered anything else she would have shouted it from the rooftops during their coronavirus handling PR tours, rather than repeatedly stating they don't provide full healthcare for wrestlers. Why would anyone believe the company line when they've repeatedly said what they do cover and a pre-existing condition isn't one of those things? They could easily come out and say that they help talent with X and Y without violating any laws and produce paperwork stating as much from the talent contracts, or have talent who've gone through similar things say they got help from the company... But one short statement of 'nuh huh' and crickets. Do we know they don’t cover medical expenses of a talent who is trying to get cleared to come back to the ring? I feel like they may. Also, there is possibility they were covering COVID related illnesses as many workers’ comp type carriers/plans began covering things like that where it was particularly hard to figure out if an individual contracted it at work or not. Some states even passed laws where there was a presumption it was caught at work.
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Post by eJm on Nov 15, 2021 11:11:13 GMT -5
Stephanie has said repeatedly they do not provide health insurance and only cover injury and rehab. If they covered anything else she would have shouted it from the rooftops during their coronavirus handling PR tours, rather than repeatedly stating they don't provide full healthcare for wrestlers. Why would anyone believe the company line when they've repeatedly said what they do cover and a pre-existing condition isn't one of those things? They could easily come out and say that they help talent with X and Y without violating any laws and produce paperwork stating as much from the talent contracts, or have talent who've gone through similar things say they got help from the company... But one short statement of 'nuh huh' and crickets. Do we know they don’t cover medical expenses of a talent who is trying to get cleared to come back to the ring? I feel like they may. Also, there is possibility they were covering COVID related illnesses as many workers’ comp type carriers/plans began covering things like that where it was particularly hard to figure out if an individual contracted it at work or not. Some states even passed laws where there was a presumption it was caught at work. Here’s the problem, though; we’re speculating on this and there’s no way for WWE to clarify what they did because of medical privacy reasons. So unless they’re going to run down their entire policy, which they have no reason to do, it’s almost redundant for them to even address it. They didn’t even say that much in the statement itself.
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