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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 15, 2021 13:12:56 GMT -5
Stephanie has said repeatedly they do not provide health insurance and only cover injury and rehab. If they covered anything else she would have shouted it from the rooftops during their coronavirus handling PR tours, rather than repeatedly stating they don't provide full healthcare for wrestlers. Why would anyone believe the company line when they've repeatedly said what they do cover and a pre-existing condition isn't one of those things? They could easily come out and say that they help talent with X and Y without violating any laws and produce paperwork stating as much from the talent contracts, or have talent who've gone through similar things say they got help from the company... But one short statement of 'nuh huh' and crickets. Do we know they don’t cover medical expenses of a talent who is trying to get cleared to come back to the ring? I feel like they may. Also, there is possibility they were covering COVID related illnesses as many workers’ comp type carriers/plans began covering things like that where it was particularly hard to figure out if an individual contracted it at work or not. Some states even passed laws where there was a presumption it was caught at work. It depends on what caused their absence doesn't it? Stephanie made it clear they only cover injury and rehab during her covid outbreak PR tour and that they do not provide health insurance, and I'm inclined to believe the talent if they say they didn't get help for something that falls outside those things. No doubt they covered all the bills they were contractually obligated to, but covid and a heart condition are not in ring injury, and given their handling of talents, the mass firings during a pandemic and the absolute bare minimum of covid precautions, there's no reason to believe they went above and beyond in this case, given how he was treated on his return. Hell, they would have used it for PR purposes. They've fired over a hundred people during a pandemic, people who've just re-signed contracts after turning down contracts elsewhere, people who've just uprooted their lives and moved to florida, people facing deportation to covid hell in South America... They did it all without questioning the morality, while making record profits so there's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their medical coverage. If they covered illness,they would effectively provide full health insurance and they've made it clear they don't do that.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 15, 2021 13:12:59 GMT -5
If WWE said Christmas was December 25th I wouldn't be entirely sure.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 15, 2021 14:52:25 GMT -5
Do we know they don’t cover medical expenses of a talent who is trying to get cleared to come back to the ring? I feel like they may. Also, there is possibility they were covering COVID related illnesses as many workers’ comp type carriers/plans began covering things like that where it was particularly hard to figure out if an individual contracted it at work or not. Some states even passed laws where there was a presumption it was caught at work. It depends on what caused their absence doesn't it? Stephanie made it clear they only cover injury and rehab during her covid outbreak PR tour and that they do not provide health insurance, and I'm inclined to believe the talent if they say they didn't get help for something that falls outside those things. No doubt they covered all the bills they were contractually obligated to, but covid and a heart condition are not in ring injury, and given their handling of talents, the mass firings during a pandemic and the absolute bare minimum of covid precautions, there's no reason to believe they went above and beyond in this case, given how he was treated on his return. Hell, they would have used it for PR purposes. They've fired over a hundred people during a pandemic, people who've just re-signed contracts after turning down contracts elsewhere, people who've just uprooted their lives and moved to florida, people facing deportation to covid hell in South America... They did it all without questioning the morality, while making record profits so there's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their medical coverage. If they covered illness,they would effectively provide full health insurance and they've made it clear they don't do that. I meant illness caused at work. Worker’s compensation is for work related injuries but many people that worked during the pandemic and caught COVID ended up being covered under workers comp because of the presumption they caught it at work. So I was wondering whether it was the same for talent here.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Nov 15, 2021 15:05:34 GMT -5
If WWE said Christmas was December 25th I wouldn't be entirely sure. That's because everyone knows that's Miro Day.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 15, 2021 15:30:38 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that this company, that outright fired many people at the start of this pandemic, would in any way not pay up for the financial burden caused by the pandemic itself.
Though, it may be an issue with the insurance company provided by WWE. They can deny or challenge services that should be covered, because insurance companies are basically legal scam artists.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 15, 2021 15:33:50 GMT -5
I refuse to believe that this company, that outright fired many people at the start of this pandemic, would in any way not pay up for the financial burden caused by the pandemic itself. Though, it may be an issue with the insurance company provided by WWE. They can deny or challenge services that should be covered, because insurance companies are basically legal scam artists. Well for starters wrstlers dont have Insurance, WWE covers injuries,its different
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 15, 2021 15:41:00 GMT -5
It depends on what caused their absence doesn't it? Stephanie made it clear they only cover injury and rehab during her covid outbreak PR tour and that they do not provide health insurance, and I'm inclined to believe the talent if they say they didn't get help for something that falls outside those things. No doubt they covered all the bills they were contractually obligated to, but covid and a heart condition are not in ring injury, and given their handling of talents, the mass firings during a pandemic and the absolute bare minimum of covid precautions, there's no reason to believe they went above and beyond in this case, given how he was treated on his return. Hell, they would have used it for PR purposes. They've fired over a hundred people during a pandemic, people who've just re-signed contracts after turning down contracts elsewhere, people who've just uprooted their lives and moved to florida, people facing deportation to covid hell in South America... They did it all without questioning the morality, while making record profits so there's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their medical coverage. If they covered illness,they would effectively provide full health insurance and they've made it clear they don't do that. I meant illness caused at work. Worker’s compensation is for work related injuries but many people that worked during the pandemic and caught COVID ended up being covered under workers comp because of the presumption they caught it at work. So I was wondering whether it was the same for talent here. They don't get workers comp, it was part of the lawsuits filed a few years back. They are misclassified as independent contractors, not employees and there's supposedly language in their contracts stating in no uncertain terms they are ineligible for workers comp because of that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 15, 2021 16:00:00 GMT -5
I meant illness caused at work. Worker’s compensation is for work related injuries but many people that worked during the pandemic and caught COVID ended up being covered under workers comp because of the presumption they caught it at work. So I was wondering whether it was the same for talent here. They don't get workers comp, it was part of the lawsuits filed a few years back. They are misclassified as independent contractors, not employees and there's supposedly language in their contracts stating in no uncertain terms they are ineligible for workers comp because of that. Yes I’m well aware of that, i was analogizing. I was saying we don’t know if WWE’s policy is to cover work-related injuries/illnesses and if COVID fell under that or not.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 15, 2021 16:14:57 GMT -5
They don't get workers comp, it was part of the lawsuits filed a few years back. They are misclassified as independent contractors, not employees and there's supposedly language in their contracts stating in no uncertain terms they are ineligible for workers comp because of that. Yes I’m well aware of that, i was analogizing. I was saying we don’t know if WWE’s policy is to cover work-related injuries/illnesses and if COVID fell under that or not. If that was the policy they would have said so when Stephanie was defending their handling of Covid, they wouldn't keep something they could use for PR purposes under the radar. She brought up injury, she brought up rehab, she did not bring up illness, and since 2011, the company has required talent to buy their own health insurance. If they were offering full medical coverage for talent to cover disease, that wouldn't be necessary, would it? “ “So our talent are all independent contractors, so we actually don’t provide medical insurance for our talent. We do however have — we pay for all injuries, any surgeries or anything related to all in-ring injuries. But we also have substance and abuse protocols that we offer our talent, both current and retired. So anyone that’s ever had issues with drug and alcohol abuse, they can be a part of this program … And WWE itself, for our employees, we do have health, medical and overall wellness and mental health.”" 411mania.com/wrestling/stephanie-mcmahon-wwe-covid-19-precautions-positive-talent-tests/Medical is mentioned for enployees, very much not mentioned for talent and what they cover is related to in ring injuries.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 15, 2021 17:04:02 GMT -5
Yes I’m well aware of that, i was analogizing. I was saying we don’t know if WWE’s policy is to cover work-related injuries/illnesses and if COVID fell under that or not. If that was the policy they would have said so when Stephanie was defending their handling of Covid, they wouldn't keep something they could use for PR purposes under the radar. She brought up injury, she brought up rehab, she did not bring up illness, and since 2011, the company has required talent to buy their own health insurance. If they were offering full medical coverage for talent to cover disease, that wouldn't be necessary, would it? “ “So our talent are all independent contractors, so we actually don’t provide medical insurance for our talent. We do however have — we pay for all injuries, any surgeries or anything related to all in-ring injuries. But we also have substance and abuse protocols that we offer our talent, both current and retired. So anyone that’s ever had issues with drug and alcohol abuse, they can be a part of this program … And WWE itself, for our employees, we do have health, medical and overall wellness and mental health.”" 411mania.com/wrestling/stephanie-mcmahon-wwe-covid-19-precautions-positive-talent-tests/Medical is mentioned for enployees, very much not mentioned for talent and what they cover is related to in ring injuries. Right I didn’t say offering “full medical coverage for talent to cover disease.” I was saying if they cover work-related injuries, then a COVID-related illness may have been covered under that like it is for some via workers’ comp, which is also a work-related injury mechanism. Was just bringing up a possibility. Also, your quote is from a direct, non-COVID related question during a Q&A asking her to explain what health insurance is provided to wrestlers. But again this might all be moot if they just didn’t pay anything here. I guess we’ll see if Lee responds at all.
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