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Post by Ozman on Nov 22, 2021 22:20:14 GMT -5
Survivor Series is the most volatile PPV, with substitutions being made every year, including this year. To answer the question, Scott Casey is probably the most random replacement of all time.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 23, 2021 0:11:46 GMT -5
I always wondered how these teams were supposedly created in kayfabe. Were we supposed to think there was recruiting going on backstage? Did Jack Tunney assign captains, and then those captains had to go find others in the locker room to join their teams? Or were the whole teams put together by "officials," who also handled the assigning of substitutes? Interesting to picture Jake having intense discussions with Duggan. "You hate Andre, and I also hate Andre. Who should we get, man? How about the Hart Foundation? What? They're in the 20-man match? Oh. Well, what about Hercules? Oh. He's on Hogan's team? Shit. Who's left? Patera? Are you serious? Uh. This isn't looking good, man." And then on the day of the show: "Where's Blair? Anyone seen Blair? Tell me there's SOMEONE else besides Scott Casey." I wondered if there was a draft or something. But if there were, you'd have so assume some pretty shoddy Captain's selections some years. Like in 1990, Volkoff had to have picked Tito Santana or the Bushwhackers when there was still a ton of talent on the board. I just imagine all the Captains sitting at the draft. Warrior picks LOD, Dibiase picks the Mystery option, Hogan picks his buddy Tugboat, Mr Perfect picks all three Demolition, and then Volkoff blurts out "The Bushwhackers!". All the heads snap up. Jack Tunney says "Are you sure?". "Yes". Then all the other captains laugh at the noob captain wasting his first pick. I think in kayfabe Tunney assigned the captains likely right after Summerslam and then the captains assembled the teams by recruiting in the locker room. I remember in 1989 on TV in the lead up the announcers saying that Bad News Brown hadn't been picked by any captains for their teams for Survivor Series because while a very credible wrestler nobody wanted to deal with him with his reputation of a loner who wasn't a team player especially after what had happened the previous year. Of course he ended up being on the show anyways as they needed someone to replace Akeem on Boss Man's team. However even in kayfabe that makes sense as other then Bad News the only other guys who weren't already assigned to teams were all jobbers. I would like to still think Honky Tonk Man tried to talk Boss Man out of it. Boss Man: "Damn Akeem is hurt. Who am I going to replace him with? Crap I guess I'm going to have to go with Bad News." Honky Tonk: "That's not a good idea man he walked out on my team last year". Boss Man: "Well who the hell else am I going to pick! My only other guys options are Brooklyn Brawler and Boris Zhukov!" Honky Tonk: "Yeah I guess you got a point there". I could see the captains recruiting guys by answering with a rival of who the rival captain had just recruited. Like for example Hogan goes up to Boss Man backstage and is like "hey Boss Man brother ya know like I heard like Rick Rude is going to be on Earthquake's team and I know he's been talking a lot of crap about your Mom dude so how bout joining me, Tugster, and Hacksaw on the Hulkamaniacs brother". Of course Boss Man was Hogan's corner man at Summerslam after filling in for Tugboat so he probably wouldn't have to have used that tactic but you get the picture. However I would like to think that they had a draft. Just for the hilarity of visualizing it. Like I could imagine Warrior going on his long winded non sensical rants while making every pick while the other captains just sit there looking either bored or annoyed. Also it gives me a lot questions. Like would tag teams be one pick? How would the draft order be determined? Would the snake rule be in effect?
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Post by Aceorton on Nov 23, 2021 13:09:16 GMT -5
Boss Man: "Damn Akeem is hurt. Who am I going to replace him with? Crap I guess I'm going to have to go with Bad News." Honky Tonk: "That's not a good idea man he walked out on my team last year". Boss Man: "Well who the hell else am I going to pick! My only other guys options are Brooklyn Brawler and Boris Zhukov!" Honky Tonk: "Yeah I guess you got a point there". This is exponentially funnier if you imagine that Boris Zhukov is standing right there while they're having this discussion.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Nov 23, 2021 14:01:45 GMT -5
However I would like to think that they had a draft. Just for the hilarity of visualizing it. Like I could imagine Warrior going on his long winded non sensical rants while making every pick while the other captains just sit there looking either bored or annoyed. Also it gives me a lot questions. Like would tag teams be one pick? How would the draft order be determined? Would the snake rule be in effect? Tunney: "Ultimate Warrior, who is your selection for Thanksgiving Night's Survivor Series?" Warrior: "The Ultimate Warrior must lead his Warriors into battle! He faces the charge of the Heenan Family. Families are supposed to be surrounded by a forcefield of love! Especially on a day of giving thanks for the all the sacrifices made in our last journey through the stars! AAAAHHHHHH Love is about heart! The Ultimate Warrior, in his wickness, needs heart on his team of Warriors! A broken heart!! Broken like the Heenan Family is and forever will be after Survivor Series! The Ultimate Warrior needs a broken heart to break his enemies! Therefore, the Warriors will break the Hart Foundation for one night only! He will take the hardened part of the Hart Foundation! Hardened with Iron!! The first pick of the Waaaawyaaahss is Jim "The Anvil" Neidharrrrrrrrrrrttttt!!! *Snort*" Dusty: "Whoa Daddy, we gonna be here all night...." Tunney: "Thank you Mr. Warrior. Up next, Hacksaw Jim Duggan. Mr. Doogan, who do you select?" Hacksaw: "Then I'll take Bret Hart, tough guy! HOOOOOO!"
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Post by The Creepo Man on Nov 23, 2021 15:14:32 GMT -5
Yokozuna replacing Undertaker vs Mabel at IYH: Great White North in October 1995.
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Post by nickcave on Nov 23, 2021 16:05:44 GMT -5
Around that time, yeah, with him mainly staying due to belief Austin might be retiring, and that the company would need him a little longer, and that no one was going to care about his retiring if Austin did it at the same time. He had gone to Vince and told him his body was breaking down, and began telling him about memory problems he had when Vince told him, "You just wrestled your last match" and was willing to let him retire then and there, but they both decided to hold off on it. I wonder considering what we know now about concussions, if Foley would have been forced to retire right there and then. He probably should have been to be honest, Foley should not have wrestled as much as he did for the ten years after that
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Post by nickcave on Nov 23, 2021 16:07:57 GMT -5
Yokozuna replacing Undertaker vs Mabel at IYH: Great White North in October 1995. Awful match but I do like the idea of a heel vs heel match in theory
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Nov 23, 2021 17:02:45 GMT -5
Boss Man: "Damn Akeem is hurt. Who am I going to replace him with? Crap I guess I'm going to have to go with Bad News." Honky Tonk: "That's not a good idea man he walked out on my team last year". Boss Man: "Well who the hell else am I going to pick! My only other guys options are Brooklyn Brawler and Boris Zhukov!" Honky Tonk: "Yeah I guess you got a point there". This is exponentially funnier if you imagine that Boris Zhukov is standing right there while they're having this discussion. It would and I could imagine it because it reminds of two real life stories of Boris being a sad sap after people were jerks to him right to his face. One there was a podcast called In Your Head (they might still be around I'm not sure as I've stopped listening to them) who would discuss wrestling and do interviews with past guys. They would interview pretty much everyone. One time they were telling a story how they were at some convention and asking various guys if they wanted to do interviews on their podcast. However they would keep walking by Zhukov and never asking him because they had no interest in interviewing him. Zhukov would start to get excited when he would see them walking his way and then just hang his head and look sad when they walked by. Also there's the story of how he was released from the WWF. Apparently he hadn't been getting any bookings so he was venting to Bret Hart about his problems, asking him what he should do. Bret told him to go to Vince's office and sort it out. When Boris asked him why he wasn't being booked Vince's reply was "Oh we forgot to tell you. You're fired" and then laughed right in his face. Boris came out of the office and Bret asked him how it went. Boris with tears running down his face told him what happened. Then Bret's reply in a real half assed attempt to make him feel better was "well at least you know now". I wonder how long they would've gone without telling him if he hadn't said anything.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Nov 24, 2021 1:30:29 GMT -5
Don't think any can be worse than Savio.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2021 1:42:12 GMT -5
Don't think any can be worse than Savio. I've always marveled at how Savio Vega looks like he's in Warzone at all times.
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Post by 67 more on Nov 24, 2021 4:01:00 GMT -5
I've always marveled at how Savio Vega looks like he's in Warzone at all times. Always needs to look out for the Sand Rippa
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 24, 2021 10:01:40 GMT -5
Hardcore Holly replacing Sabu in the December to dismember elimination chamber match.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Nov 24, 2021 10:28:18 GMT -5
I always wondered how these teams were supposedly created in kayfabe. Were we supposed to think there was recruiting going on backstage? Did Jack Tunney assign captains, and then those captains had to go find others in the locker room to join their teams? Or were the whole teams put together by "officials," who also handled the assigning of substitutes? Interesting to picture Jake having intense discussions with Duggan. "You hate Andre, and I also hate Andre. Who should we get, man? How about the Hart Foundation? What? They're in the 20-man match? Oh. Well, what about Hercules? Oh. He's on Hogan's team? Shit. Who's left? Patera? Are you serious? Uh. This isn't looking good, man." And then on the day of the show: "Where's Blair? Anyone seen Blair? Tell me there's SOMEONE else besides Scott Casey." I wondered if there was a draft or something. But if there were, you'd have so assume some pretty shoddy Captain's selections some years. Like in 1990, Volkoff had to have picked Tito Santana or the Bushwhackers when there was still a ton of talent on the board. I just imagine all the Captains sitting at the draft. Warrior picks LOD, Dibiase picks the Mystery option, Hogan picks his buddy Tugboat, Mr Perfect picks all three Demolition, and then Volkoff blurts out "The Bushwhackers!". All the heads snap up. Jack Tunney says "Are you sure?". "Yes". Then all the other captains laugh at the noob captain wasting his first pick. If they actually did this at a survivor series one year I would be so there to watch it.
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 24, 2021 10:48:52 GMT -5
A Survivor Series draft would have been cool in the 1980s and 90s. They would probably do it now but it wouldn't be as cool.
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Royal Rumble 1994. Sparky and Kwang were not as good as Kid and Ludvig Borga. And Virgil replacement Kamala with Ted Dibiase saying the key word is "alternate" in response to McMahon. I'm surprised it was even acknowledged. I don't remember them saying Kwang replaced Borga or Sparky for Kid. Poor Virgil, I don't think he won a match in over a year though he should have had the spot over Kamala. Kamala hadn't been around since April or May.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 14:16:16 GMT -5
I know why it happened, but "Shawn Michaels and his Knights." My 9 year-old self definitely wondered how and why Shawn Michaels suddenly had knights.
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Post by johnnyk9 on Nov 24, 2021 16:52:11 GMT -5
Although it didn’t happen what would you have thought of The Brooklyn Brawler replacing Undertaker at iyh Fully Loaded
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Post by jason1980s on Nov 24, 2021 22:46:24 GMT -5
I know why it happened, but "Shawn Michaels and his Knights." My 9 year-old self definitely wondered how and why Shawn Michaels suddenly had knights. The Knights looked like total jobbers to me. The problem was they didn't have very many people left on the roster who could convincingly be on a team with a star like Shawn or King. It would have been cool if the guys were unmasked though that may have taken away from the start of the Owen/Bret feud. Also, I love those drawings done for the Mustafa team that fans did. It's four fans holding a drawing of each man and they look awesome. Someone was obviously a fan of those lower card guys.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Nov 25, 2021 16:21:29 GMT -5
Ric Flair stepping off WCW in ‘91 which led to the lamest Great American Bash ever. His replacement Barry Windham, as capable as he was, was no Ric Flair. GAB ‘91 was only memorable to me for how horrible the Morton vs. Gibson match was, and the chants of “We want Flair!” all night long.
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Post by agent817 on Nov 25, 2021 17:40:11 GMT -5
Regarding 2004 Survivor Series, I have a theory that Maven's involvement in the main event wasn't originally supposed to be that way. I would believe that it was Shawn Michaels who was supposed to be in his place but he was injured during that time.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 25, 2021 17:54:53 GMT -5
I know why it happened, but "Shawn Michaels and his Knights." My 9 year-old self definitely wondered how and why Shawn Michaels suddenly had knights. The Knights looked like total jobbers to me. The problem was they didn't have very many people left on the roster who could convincingly be on a team with a star like Shawn or King. It would have been cool if the guys were unmasked though that may have taken away from the start of the Owen/Bret feud. Also, I love those drawings done for the Mustafa team that fans did. It's four fans holding a drawing of each man and they look awesome. Someone was obviously a fan of those lower card guys. They were supposed to unmasked as they were eliminated but it got dropped somewhere between Lawler and Funk both being out of the match.
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