kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Nov 22, 2021 16:30:39 GMT -5
Big E is being booked like a world champ, and he puts in the work of a main eventer with crossover appeal.
The problem is that the booking is trash, and it downplays everyone but Roman Reigns. Which, actually screws over the entire roster.
Because only the main event is important.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 22, 2021 17:23:58 GMT -5
The WWE Title today feels like the Intercontinental Title of like... the mid 90's It's only "equal" to the Universal Title in WWE-speak. It's obviously tier 2 by the actions. Anywho, if your name ain't Roman you don't matter. Add another casualty to the massive evergrowing list. It's the B-Show title issue. Even when there's supposedly two top titles, one is always booked below the other, often correlating to whichever belt isn't on the main drawing show, which was previously RAW, and currently SmackDown.
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Jonathan Michaels
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 22, 2021 17:29:24 GMT -5
To jump on that side note, I know people enjoy it and it's getting a big stadium show for it next year, but man, I think the Money in the Bank concept is lame as hell. It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. I think that was also a “Let’s give Miz something nice since he has to job to a rapper at Wrestlemania.” thing
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Cranjis McBasketball
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Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 22, 2021 19:26:57 GMT -5
To jump on that side note, I know people enjoy it and it's getting a big stadium show for it next year, but man, I think the Money in the Bank concept is lame as hell. It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury.
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Post by polarbearpete on Nov 22, 2021 19:51:45 GMT -5
It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. Cena as well
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Post by ChitownKnight on Nov 22, 2021 20:07:52 GMT -5
Yeah he def should of challenged Lashley like a man and won it straight up, and he def should not have lost to Roman clean, but his reigns hasn’t been that bad. He’s been getting the most mainstream press out of anyone since Cena, he beat Lashley and Drew clean as well
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Jonathan Michaels
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The Archduke of Levity
Here since TNA was still kinda okay
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 22, 2021 20:22:46 GMT -5
Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. Cena as well And Braun
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 22, 2021 20:45:05 GMT -5
It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. I'm almost certain that Kennedy would've cashed in cheaply at some point in 2007 if he didn't get injured and the whole "I'm waiting until Wrestlemania" thing was just a ruse to trick the champion/s.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Nov 23, 2021 1:31:55 GMT -5
It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. No way. It's the rules; there's nothing heelish about cashing in whenever you want. But it does make the champs look stupid; they should just kick the challenger in the nuts in front of the referee instead of trying to end the match quick with their finisher like an idiot.
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Chuck Conry
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Chuck Conry on Nov 23, 2021 2:12:00 GMT -5
If they can only book one world title like an actual world title I at least wish it was THE WWE Title with the history behind it.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 23, 2021 6:52:27 GMT -5
It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. Brock.
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Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 23, 2021 7:19:45 GMT -5
Come up with an idea beyond “cashing in like a bitch” and it’s fine. Pretty sure only 1 guy ever cashed in like a man, RVD, Mr. Kennedy….Kennedy tried but injury. Brock. Yeah I think someone has mentioned him and Cena. My faulty memory and total apathy to the product caused me to be wrong.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 25, 2021 15:07:47 GMT -5
The biggest issue to me is the whole idea of these champion vs. champion matches at Survivor Series. I know this is part of the brand-centric focus these days in WWE, but by design it’s going to (briefly) take some shine off of one of your champs and potential draws. And it’s for a rivalry between the shows that no one really cares about anymore due to all of the expected cameos every week.
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Post by SirLucas on Nov 25, 2021 17:17:27 GMT -5
I felt Big E. looked weak when he was in the ring with Roman and Heyman, and Heyman told Big E. he'd better go to Raw and cash in on Lashley because he's never going to be able to defeat Roman. So then Big E. does exactly what Heyman suggested which made E. look like someone who took the easy route to the championship.
Instead, Big E. should have called Roman's bluff and set a date to challenge him for the title. But in between then Lashley completely obliterates Kofi and Xavier on Raw. I'm taking having Kofi and Xavier beaten so bad they are both stretchered out. Then Big E's need for retribution on Lashley takes priority over his desire to defeat Roman, so Big E. calls an audible and faces Lashley instead.
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Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Bye
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Post by r. on Nov 25, 2021 17:36:16 GMT -5
Big E is being booked like a world champ, and he puts in the work of a main eventer with crossover appeal. The problem is that the booking is trash, and it downplays everyone but Roman Reigns. Which, actually screws over the entire roster. Because only the main event is important. Ah yes the time-honored and tested booking of having your champion get decimated by one guy and than have that one guy also decimate his friends and then cap it off by having said champion lose clean as a sheet to said one guy.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Nov 26, 2021 0:38:30 GMT -5
To jump on that side note, I know people enjoy it and it's getting a big stadium show for it next year, but man, I think the Money in the Bank concept is lame as hell. It's definitely outlived its usefulness. They basically put the belt on Miz for a week last year because they were panicked that people would see the briefcase as useless. Have we even gotten a single person booked with the balls to flat out book themselves a main event slot at Mania with it without shenanigans?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 9:57:36 GMT -5
They always do this when they have two World titles.
One feels like the "real" belt, and one feels like its the IC or US title.
Then the trickle down effect is that the IC and US titles then feel completely meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -5
Big E feels like a main eventer to me. The way he carries the belt, the presence he has and the way he's been with mainstream outlets is as good as any first time WWE champion of the past five years has been. WWE makes him seem secondary, but its not him. I've said for years that Big E should have been "The Guy". He was a total badass doing his 5 count pins, he's fantastic in the ring, he's like the Rock in that he can cut a funny promo without being a " comedy" character, and WWE having a black guy as the face of the company in 2021 would feel current but since he's a legit main eventer, it wouldn't feel like they were having a "token" black champ. Dudes perfect, they just need to stop treating him secondary to Roman, who will never be as big as WWE wants him to be no matter how many years he's shoved down our throats.
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4real
Wade Wilson
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Post by 4real on Nov 26, 2021 12:47:18 GMT -5
The biggest issue to me is the whole idea of these champion vs. champion matches at Survivor Series. I know this is part of the brand-centric focus these days in WWE, but by design it’s going to (briefly) take some shine off of one of your champs and potential draws. And it’s for a rivalry between the shows that no one really cares about anymore due to all of the expected cameos every week. They shouldn’t have booked Big E v Roman I feel. Should have maybe done New Day v Bloodline instead. They got it right in 2019 at least. Imagine them having Lesnar go over The Fiend? And Brock v Rey was entertaining anyway.
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Post by mrtuesday on Nov 26, 2021 13:14:23 GMT -5
Big E is being booked like a world champ, and he puts in the work of a main eventer with crossover appeal. The problem is that the booking is trash, and it downplays everyone but Roman Reigns. Which, actually screws over the entire roster. Because only the main event is important. It's worse than that, imo. It's "only a single main eventer is important". 10 years ago, it was Cena. No matter what was going on, or who had what title, it all played secondary to whatever John Cena was doing. Cena was the main event. Belt or no belt, whatever program Cena was in was the main event. Now, it's Roman. Whatever show Roman is on, is the top show. Whatever belt Roman has, is the top belt. Whatever program Roman is in, is the main event. It's not fair to Big E. But he will never be treated as the same level as Roman.
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