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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 5, 2022 2:25:57 GMT -5
Didn't he shoot accidentally choke someone unconscious with it? I thought it was eh, better than Rock's sharpshooter at least, but yeah, he should have just used a different move, especially once he moved away from the FU joke with his other finisher, anyway. I think it was Edge who said it, I'm pretty sure he said it on one of those network documentaries that he legit passed out to it. Cena's STFU would have been better if they stopped pretending it was a traditional STF, and instead played up that it was more of a choke that relied on Cena's freaky strength (which Edge would attest to being actually true), as opposed to a crossface style submission where Cena's hands were nowhere near the correct placement.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 5, 2022 4:27:45 GMT -5
Anything called a Wrestlemania moment mere minutes after it happened. You can extend that to anyone talking about Wrestlemania moments except for in like actual recaps from things like years ago that people remember... like people claiming they're going to make a wrestlemania moment... comes off super forced...
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Post by sungod2020 on Mar 1, 2022 14:28:29 GMT -5
With Brock Lesnar/Roman Reigns headlining their THIRD Wrestlemania, there portraying it as an all-time legendary feud despite nobody wanting it to begin with and that was SEVEN YEARS AGO!! I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years from now, WWE will play it up as an all-time great rivalry that defined a generation, crowd hostility/indifference be damned.
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Post by chrom on Mar 1, 2022 14:34:38 GMT -5
Anytime anyone had to sell Cena's shitty STFU. Cena is just laying on top of the guy doing nothing and the guy had to sell it like it was death. Even worse when they actually had to tap out in spite of the fact Cena is clearly applying zero pressure or putting any torque on the move whatsoever. I remember a segment on TV in the build to Cena / Nicky vs Miz / Maryse at WM where Nicky and Cena applied the move to Miz and Maryse side-by-side and Nicky's looked way better/more painful. While Cena laid on top of Miz and Miz had to sell it. It was a legit LOL moment for me. The fact that this lame ass move won hundreds of matches for decades will always be a joke. And for anyone that wants to say "the People's Elbow or Leg Drop" at least those moves were performed by 270-300 pound men coming down on their opponent with force and impact. Cena literally laid on his opponent and screamed and made facials like he was attempting to harm them while it was very obvious to anyone watching that he was doing nothing to hurt them at all. On Arn's Podcast he said the reason Cena was afraid to apply pressure to the move is because Cena was afraid of actually hurting his opponents. Did it ever cross anybody's mind that he change his finisher to something he was more comfortable applying? Didn't he shoot accidentally choke someone unconscious with it? I thought it was eh, better than Rock's sharpshooter at least, but yeah, he should have just used a different move, especially once he moved away from the FU joke with his other finisher, anyway. Umaga at the Royal Rumble
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Post by sungod2020 on May 11, 2022 18:33:08 GMT -5
Would WWE bringing back Saturday Night's Main Event in the mid-2000s count? I mean, the only reason SNME worked in the 80s and early 90s was because there weren't monthly PPVs and you would rarely ever see major stars like Hulk Hogan or Randy Savage wrestling on free TV. If anything, you would have to pay to see them wrestle on the house show circuit or on PPV which was spread out every few months. Hence, seeing them on free TV was a treat because they weren't overexposed.
In that era(the 2000s), you had monthly PPVs, RAW and Smackdown ever week that featured main event stars, and the internet where you could get your wrestling fix 24/7. Having what was once a major show on network television brought back just seemed redundant, and the ratings reflected that.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 5:28:23 GMT -5
(especially watching wwe now, but they've done this for thirty years) 1) all of the fake crowd noise, the audio sounds like they're in a wind tunnel because of all of the fake cheering, while on the screen, the crowd is stone faced and sitting on their hands.
2) rocky maivia's debut, cena, rocky holding up roman reign's hand, etc, anything where they are "forget what the crowd wants, THIS is who we're going with whether you want it or not"
3) all of the " women's revolutiontm " stuff. the marketing plan to the audience from the wwe since they started the women's revolution marketing campaign is just: "everything we've done up until now is complete garbage and erased from existence. the stuff we are doing now is the real stuff, and you are a horrible human being if you have any problem with it". Before, they just presented a show, and the viewer was allowed to like it or not like on their own, where now they're telling you, "like this, or you're the bad person". They couldn't just have had charlotte/sasha/the rest of them appear on raw/smackdown on their own as characters and start having matches with each other as characters on their own, they had to have stephanie mcmahon give a big corporate speech "we're taking this seriously now, this is the real stuff!" instead of letting it happen naturally on its own and showing us by letting them have matches on their own, instead of shoving it at the audience as a marketing plan and basically saying "everything up until now never existed, like this or else it's on you!" at their audience.
I would have had things as they were (it was aj, paige, the bellas, when the current group showed up), and one week sasha shows up as a friend of someone and starts gaining wins. then a month later, separately, charlotte shows up "my dad was the greatest, and now, so will I!", and sasha takes exception to that, and they get into an argument, and now they're going to have matches over who the best wrestler is. and now you can show serious women's wrestling naturally through their characters having matches. instead, what we got, was the owner of the company coming out and telling the audience "we're wiping the slate clean and starting over, we're going in this direction now", telling the audience the whole show is fake and the company is really running things. my way, the show is still kept real for the audience and the story is being told through the characters and their actions, not the owner coming out and telling the audience themselves.
4) the way that the show is shot. the magic floating camera in the back and outside, "who is filming this?", the zoom in and out, the camera shaking, etc, it comes off as "we're filming a television show" rather than "we're just capturing what is happening" of someone standing there holding a camera as stuff is happening around them
5) and lastly, the corporate names for stuff. "our fans" became "the wwe universe!", "I want a title shot!" became "you have a championship opportunity!", etc it just makes the show incredibly fake when everything has a corporate marketing tag line they can use for advertising and video games, instead of talking like a normal person would talk.
basically, anything where you can tell "This is the company doing this", rather than something that naturally happened on its own
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Post by James Fabiano on May 12, 2022 9:09:06 GMT -5
About the women's revolution...I have been wondering about the "erasing what came before" bit...
I mean, I get wanting to get past the divas stuff, especially Attitude Era "matches". And even that has corporate/political undertones rather than "here are women who can actually wrestle". As it also feels like a way to push the fact that their programming is PG. And there's the borderline-FAN-unfriendly Linda McMahon influence, especially when she was confronted with Attitude Era skits with women, among other things.
Speaking of that...as I said when I heard the countdown last year seemed to erase anything before 1993...I wonder if they just wanted to "cancel" anything from the Moolah Era after the issue with Snickers and all from 4 years ago. We can discuss all day how fair that is, I'm sure. I feel like they're still looking for a "safe" icon for that.
In a nutshell, like with many other things, it's too much about being sure we know they're towing the corporate agenda line.
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Post by eudypfohl on May 12, 2022 17:46:14 GMT -5
Wrestlemania sign points. Enough already
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 12, 2022 17:57:32 GMT -5
Anytime a match is built on "wow this is going to be great" with no further story. In 2018 the whole build for Styles/Nakamura at Wrestlemania was basically that then in the end after all the hype it was nothing special. The same with Jericho/Punk in 2012. They were on TV talking about their match being the new Savage/Steamboat and only in the last week or two did they try to add anything extra and suddenly Jericho was mocking Punk's alcoholic father.
Even if you think a match is going to be great that shouldn't be the story. A lot of people expected Angle v HBK to be a classic but they weren't on TV praising each other talking about how amazing there match would be. They had an actual rivalry.
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Post by Hypnosis on May 12, 2022 18:57:37 GMT -5
Wrestlemania sign points. Enough already I wish the sign wasn't even at the arenas until Mania actually happens. The current setup makes many Rumble victories come off forced now.
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Post by jason1980s on May 12, 2022 19:08:22 GMT -5
Did anyone mention Jeff Jarrett? I actually like him but anything in WWF was pretty forced. He was lucky to be around in the mid 1990s when WWF didn't have the huge star base they had in the late 80s, early 90s. The gimmick was all about pretending to be "great" but was forced on the fans. Him going over Razor and keeping the title for months was probably an early sign to Scott Hall that he needed to leave. Then, whenever things didn't go his way, he left. He was worse than Shawn, at least Shawn stayed! And yet Vince saw some kind of loyalty to him or his father and kept on bringing him back and giving him good stars in feuds when Jeff really added nothing to the card. Or maybe it was all Russo's doing since he gave Jeff a good spot in WCW.
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