Nr1Humanoid
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 31, 2022 11:35:04 GMT -5
Anything called a Wrestlemania moment mere minutes after it happened.
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malloc
Team Rocket
asian cookbook
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Post by malloc on Jan 31, 2022 16:59:11 GMT -5
Everyone...pointing...at..the..fricking...sign.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 31, 2022 20:11:18 GMT -5
How did we go this long without mentioning THE CONTROLLED FRENZY of THE WILDCAT Kofi Kingston???
Also, when they were calling Triple H “THE ASSKICKER” during his feud with Brock.
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tafkaga
Samurai Cop
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 31, 2022 20:13:48 GMT -5
WrestleMania
The whole event is pretty much "aRe YoU aS eNtErTaInEd aS wE aRe?"
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Post by sungod2020 on Jan 31, 2022 20:16:14 GMT -5
How did we go this long without mentioning THE CONTROLLED FRENZY of THE WILDCAT Kofi Kingston???Also, when they were calling Triple H “THE ASSKICKER” during his feud with Brock. I agree. I don't know if his elimination at this year's Royal Rumble was a botch or not, but I'm glad we didn't have to endure one of his convoluted ways to get back in the ring. It was actually a breath of fresh air to see a NON-save for once.
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Post by jason1980s on Jan 31, 2022 23:46:03 GMT -5
Ric Flair's first WWF run. It amazes me how pushed he was since he wasn't a Vince creation. It seemed like the whole WWF world revolved around him from late 1991 to Wrestlemania time. I honestly feel if Bobby Heenan especially and maybe Macho Man weren't involved with him during the time, it wouldn't have been memorable at all.
Props to Ric for going an hour in the Rumble, it's amazing. But we don't talk about that, we talk about Heenan's commentary. It's just strange to me that Vince put so much effort into getting him over at the time but it backfired with lack of interest in the Hogan feud by fans and the Macho feud didn't exactly set the world on fire and even when he was champion he didn't make a main event on a PPV.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 1, 2022 18:53:18 GMT -5
How did we go this long without mentioning THE CONTROLLED FRENZY of THE WILDCAT Kofi Kingston??? Also, when they were calling Triple H “THE ASSKICKER” during his feud with Brock. I remember one time he tried getting people to call him "The One True Destroyer".
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petef3
Don Corleone
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Post by petef3 on Feb 1, 2022 18:58:44 GMT -5
Ric Flair's first WWF run. It amazes me how pushed he was since he wasn't a Vince creation. It seemed like the whole WWF world revolved around him from late 1991 to Wrestlemania time. I honestly feel if Bobby Heenan especially and maybe Macho Man weren't involved with him during the time, it wouldn't have been memorable at all. Props to Ric for going an hour in the Rumble, it's amazing. But we don't talk about that, we talk about Heenan's commentary. It's just strange to me that Vince put so much effort into getting him over at the time but it backfired with lack of interest in the Hogan feud by fans and the Macho feud didn't exactly set the world on fire and even when he was champion he didn't make a main event on a PPV. I'm lost as to how any of this was "forced." For one thing, there was a lot of criticism (and still is) that the WWF didn't push Flair hard enough or make him special enough, at least before the Rumble. It was almost the opposite of "forced." And the "if Heenan wasn't involved..." thing--well, he WAS involved. And getting talent over whether as a manager/"adviser" or commentator was Heenan's entire job. That's why he was involved at all. Why does it matter if he was involved?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Feb 1, 2022 19:11:08 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned in here yet, but The Miz being the new master of the Figure Four Leglock and making dudes tap out almost every week for a lil while was absolutely brutal.
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Post by jason1980s on Feb 1, 2022 19:49:58 GMT -5
[I'm lost as to how any of this was "forced." For one thing, there was a lot of criticism (and still is) that the WWF didn't push Flair hard enough or make him special enough, at least before the Rumble. It was almost the opposite of "forced." And the "if Heenan wasn't involved..." thing--well, he WAS involved. And getting talent over whether as a manager/"adviser" or commentator was Heenan's entire job. That's why he was involved at all. Why does it matter if he was involved? I think it was forced because WWF brought him in for something close to a very top spot at the time (working with Piper, teasing Hogan, getting involved with the HW championship match etc...) because they probably thought his WCW fame would translate. It didn't. He was a guy WWF fans thought looked like their grandpa who wrestled for that minor league that wasn't WWF. He needed someone like Heenan and Perfect to be involved otherwise he would fall flat. Those two guys helped build something of a reputation for him in WWF. After Wrestlemania, whether he had the title or not, he was an afterthought. UK or DC, he wouldn't have made the final match main event of Summerslam because fans didn't care nor would he make the final match of Survivor Series and he was the camp and didn't make the final of Wrestlemania. They cared more about Bret, Shawn or Bulldog than Flair. If he hadn't asked for his release in 93 I'm sure Vince would have realized this wasn't a good fit and released him back to WCW where he was a better fit. And this isn't a "hate Flair after Dark Side bandwagon." I met the man twice and had great interactions, I saw him in person live at many Baltimore Arena shows. I don't like what's come out about him the last few years but the posts are solely because he was forced on to WWF fans and didn't really fit well. He was forced into top storylines but they weren't expected and he was relegated to a better spot on the card, the mid card. And again, we don't remember the Rumble 92 because of Ric's 60 minutes, we remember it because of Heenan. If Heenan was supposed to get over Bob Backlund, Rick Martel, Greg Valentine, Ted Dibiase-any guy who went a long time in a Rumble-we'd remember those just as much because it was Heenan. 92 may have had everything to do with Ric then but not now and not the last 30 years. Not trying to be nasty or negative or diminish a guy putting in 60 minutes for our entertainment, but he was just a bad fit for WWF at the time. Fans didn't get behind him, he needed more established guys to get him over and his storylines never made a end of show main event nor are remembered as a defining match on a WWF show, like a Macho/Steamboat might be and what should have been a dream match with Hogan failed on the house show circuit. Heck, a match with Macho was ordered to be restarted by Vince...
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petef3
Don Corleone
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Post by petef3 on Feb 1, 2022 20:40:29 GMT -5
Again, what you're describing is the literal opposite of a "forced moment." If the WWF just expected Flair to get over on Hogan's level on his own, then they didn't really "force" anything. It's their job to get him over if they want him in that spot.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Feb 1, 2022 22:14:53 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned in here yet, but The Miz being the new master of the Figure Four Leglock and making dudes tap out almost every week for a lil while was absolutely brutal. Miz’ Figure Four made the Rock look like Regal or Bryan when he used the Sharpshooter.
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Post by madness50 on Feb 2, 2022 1:39:34 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned in here yet, but The Miz being the new master of the Figure Four Leglock and making dudes tap out almost every week for a lil while was absolutely brutal. Miz’ Figure Four made the Rock look like Regal or Bryan when he used the Sharpshooter. I remember seeing a video once of Cole visually throwing his hands up when he put on the Figure Four. It made me laugh pretty damn hard.
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malloc
Team Rocket
asian cookbook
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Post by malloc on Feb 2, 2022 14:21:37 GMT -5
Also, when they were calling Triple H “THE ASSKICKER” during his feud with Brock. I remember one time he tried getting people to call him "The One True Destroyer". For some reason reading all of that together made me think of the time in South Park, when Mark, Satan's boyfriend was trying to act like sexy badboy because Satan's exboyfriend (Sadam Hussain) acted that way. Like HHH is always trying to tell us, "Hey I am a bad ass, charismatic guy, like Austin and Rock you should love me like you love them".
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Feb 2, 2022 14:58:27 GMT -5
How did we go this long without mentioning THE CONTROLLED FRENZY of THE WILDCAT Kofi Kingston??? Also, when they were calling Triple H “THE ASSKICKER” during his feud with Brock. Oh my god that whole Triple H/Brock Lesnar feud itself could fit this thread pretty well, especially the 2013 portion of it where someone really wanted everyone to know that Triple H could totally definitely beat Lesnar in a fight. Even the blowoff match where Brock won was centered around making Triple H look like a badass. Brock was literally crying and begging Triple H to stop at one point. Brock Lesnar.
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 2, 2022 19:41:27 GMT -5
In addition to his jump off the cell at Wrestlemania 32, I'll say Shane Mcmahon's late 2010s/early 2020s run as them pushing him as an actual wrestler. Him eliminating Kevin Owens with ease at the Royal Rumble looked ridiculous.
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Post by Pipe_Bomb2k13 on Feb 4, 2022 7:05:30 GMT -5
Anytime anyone had to sell Cena's shitty STFU. Cena is just laying on top of the guy doing nothing and the guy had to sell it like it was death. Even worse when they actually had to tap out in spite of the fact Cena is clearly applying zero pressure or putting any torque on the move whatsoever. I remember a segment on TV in the build to Cena / Nicky vs Miz / Maryse at WM where Nicky and Cena applied the move to Miz and Maryse side-by-side and Nicky's looked way better/more painful. While Cena laid on top of Miz and Miz had to sell it. It was a legit LOL moment for me. The fact that this lame ass move won hundreds of matches for decades will always be a joke. And for anyone that wants to say "the People's Elbow or Leg Drop" at least those moves were performed by 270-300 pound men coming down on their opponent with force and impact. Cena literally laid on his opponent and screamed and made facials like he was attempting to harm them while it was very obvious to anyone watching that he was doing nothing to hurt them at all. On Arn's Podcast he said the reason Cena was afraid to apply pressure to the move is because Cena was afraid of actually hurting his opponents. Did it ever cross anybody's mind that he change his finisher to something he was more comfortable applying? Didn't he shoot accidentally choke someone unconscious with it? I thought it was eh, better than Rock's sharpshooter at least, but yeah, he should have just used a different move, especially once he moved away from the FU joke with his other finisher, anyway. I think it was Edge who said it, I'm pretty sure he said it on one of those network documentaries that he legit passed out to it.
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Burst
El Dandy
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Post by Burst on Feb 4, 2022 8:01:41 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned in here yet, but The Miz being the new master of the Figure Four Leglock and making dudes tap out almost every week for a lil while was absolutely brutal. Likewise, I don't know if this has been mentioned here already, but circa 2010 TNA with AJ Styles being square-peg-round-holed into being a Ric Flair clone when that's never really remotely been his character before or since and it worked about as well as making Vladimir Kozlov be the new Mistico instead of Hunico would've.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Feb 4, 2022 11:17:14 GMT -5
THE VIGILANTE STING THE VIGILANTE STING THE VIGILANTE STING THE VIGILANTE STING THE MAN CALLED THE VIGILANTE STING
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Post by sungod2020 on Feb 4, 2022 19:09:54 GMT -5
I haven't watched WWE with regularity in years, so my knowledge of the current product is mostly on these forums, but aren't they trying to build the New Day/Usos feud as one of the all time greatest, even though that were feuding for like, six years now?
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