Philip Adams Had Stage 2 CTE (TW: Benoit)

[nisidhe]

Came across this article about an issue I'd thought might pique wrestling fans' interest:

www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/phillip-adams-nfl-cte/index.html

It's interesting that the focus of the scientist's findings was in the presence of tau proteins specifically in the frontal lobe, similarly to Aaron Hernandez. Given the extent of the tau proteins in Chris Benoit's brain overall, it would seem inevitable that the frontal lobe would be damaged there, too. I wonder, though, if the researchers are drawing a pattern between damage to this lobe specifically and the aggression demonstrated in all three. Clearly, there are more brains banked for this kind of research, but I wonder to what extent the damage was mapped in all the specimens.

If this doesn't belong here, please deal with it as you will; but this is fascinating stuff with implications for pro wrestling and I think, with the coolness of fourteen years removed from the tragedy, some kind of discussion could go civilly, if briefly.

[lucas_lee]

Dec 14, 2021 20:42:53 GMT -5 nisidhe said:

Came across this article about an issue I'd thought might pique wrestling fans' interest:

www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/phillip-adams-nfl-cte/index.html

It's interesting that the focus of the scientist's findings was in the presence of tau proteins specifically in the frontal lobe, similarly to Aaron Hernandez. Given the extent of the tau proteins in Chris Benoit's brain overall, it would seem inevitable that the frontal lobe would be damaged there, too. I wonder, though, if the researchers are drawing a pattern between damage to this lobe specifically and the aggression demonstrated in all three. Clearly, there are more brains banked for this kind of research, but I wonder to what extent the damage was mapped in all the specimens.

If this doesn't belong here, please deal with it as you will; but this is fascinating stuff with implications for pro wrestling and I think, with the coolness of fourteen years removed from the tragedy, some kind of discussion could go civilly, if briefly.

My issue with this and others is prior to the murders Benoit was already abusing Nancy and had a reputation of hazing young boys and newer wrestlers. Plus the guy in the article murdered six people including two children, I got no sympathy for anyone but the victims.

[Natural Born Farmer]

If there was a way to test for CTE while they were still alive, it seems like pretty much every professional wrestler with a reasonable amount of ring time has it, much like almost every football player going down to the high school level does.

Most of them still don't go nuts and kill their families.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Just from observation, it seems like CTE can have varying impacts person to person but if you already have aggressive or violent tendencies (like Benoit), it can push you over the edge. I am still fully supportive of holding those people accountable for their actions but it doesn't mean we can't understand the context of what happened just as we would for someone who committed a crime while suffering from schizophrenia.

[wendytorrancev1]

Dec 15, 2021 12:31:38 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Dec 14, 2021 20:42:53 GMT -5 nisidhe said:

Came across this article about an issue I'd thought might pique wrestling fans' interest:

www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/phillip-adams-nfl-cte/index.html

It's interesting that the focus of the scientist's findings was in the presence of tau proteins specifically in the frontal lobe, similarly to Aaron Hernandez. Given the extent of the tau proteins in Chris Benoit's brain overall, it would seem inevitable that the frontal lobe would be damaged there, too. I wonder, though, if the researchers are drawing a pattern between damage to this lobe specifically and the aggression demonstrated in all three. Clearly, there are more brains banked for this kind of research, but I wonder to what extent the damage was mapped in all the specimens.

If this doesn't belong here, please deal with it as you will; but this is fascinating stuff with implications for pro wrestling and I think, with the coolness of fourteen years removed from the tragedy, some kind of discussion could go civilly, if briefly.

My issue with this and others is prior to the murders Benoit was already abusing Nancy and had a reputation of hazing young boys and newer wrestlers. Plus the guy in the article murdered six people including two children, I got no sympathy for anyone but the victims.

See, I didn't want to come off as heartless or anything like that, but I don't think that whole CTE thing is a valid excuse for people to feel sympathy for people going around killing people and I don't think it's a scapegoat. I have heard rumors that Benoit was abusing Nancy even before the tragic murders happened. He knew exactly what he was doing. I heard about it on one of those YouTube shoot interview channels that the abuse got so bad that Nancy had a restraining order placed on Chris, which she subsequently dropped. Benoit had a lot of personal demons and then Eddie's death might have escarbated them. 

In Aaron Hernandez's case, he knew exactly what he was doing and didn't just "snap" one day and kill someone. He premeditated it. He purposely lured Odin Lloyd out of his home and was even acting suspicious enough for the minor league football player to send a text message to his sister that somewhat implicated his killer. Aaron even enlisted the help of his wife to get rid of the murder weapon. I would go into my theory on why Aaron killed Odin, but that is not my role here. I will say that I wouldn't use brain damage as a scapegoat to commit the murder. 

There are a countless amount of people with some varying degrees of brain damage from either wrestling, football, boxing, UFC, or any other high contact sports, but I don't see them running around murdering their family or friends. That is not an excuse. I am solely on the victims' sides with this one. 

[Mecca]

Actually the pattern of abuse speaks to CTE. It's not normally just someone snaps. It's a progression into another person where they have moments of being their old selves and not understanding what's happening.

Things also don't affect everyone the same. Because one player killed himself, another killed others and himself, another went on a high speed chase and died while another didn't do anything doesn't really change much.

Having brain damage isn't going to be a "hey everyone with brain damage does this"

[Celexa Bliss 54]

Vincent Jackson was also diagnosed with it: www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/family-says-former-nfl-player-found-dead-in-hotel-had-cte/ar-AART1eM?ocid=msedgntp