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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 2, 2022 9:34:44 GMT -5
I cant really agree. Super Cena and Super Roman were never booked the way Bianca was at Summerslam.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 2, 2022 9:36:38 GMT -5
I cant really agree. Super Cena and Super Roman were never booked the way Bianca was at Summerslam. EAT SLEEP SUPLEX REPEAT that was after being dominant as hell for like 10 years. apples and oranges.
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Post by J is Justice on Jan 2, 2022 9:46:25 GMT -5
She's talented and fresh, so it doesn't really bother me.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 2, 2022 10:00:41 GMT -5
Exactly, the division is too small for someone to go on a run of win after win after win up the ladder to the title shot. One, the ladder is like three rungs once you divide by brand and alignment, and most of those rungs are the other underutilised talents that should be getting the same ladder run themselves. I promise to stop using the ladder analogy from here. You know who the heels are for RAW's women's division? The singles champion Lynch, the tag champions Zelina and Carmella, Doudrop and Tamina. THAT'S IT. Belair's already spent nearly two months just on Doudrop, and she's already beaten Zelina, Carmella and Tamina a whole bunch of times. Who's left? It's only Lynch left for her unless she starts feuding with other babyfaces like Morgan, Ripley, A.S.H. or Brooke. Of course, there's still absentees like Asuka, Bliss and Evans that could factor in, but we seemingly have people ready to storm Titan Towers if Asuka isn't starting a new Goldberg streak the second she returns, people are always iffy with Bliss and nobody really wants anything to do with Evans whatsoever. This shit used to be so much easier when you could get away with your stars fighting legitimate outside enhancement talents for your weekly TV and all you'd have to do was throw in one or two star v star matches as a main event. Can't do that now, they can barely hold a rating with just the stars. The only other solution would be to call up and/or hire 20 new women for each brand to create depth on par with the men's divisions. Yup. That's another good point in why Bianca shouldn't just be bulldozing everyone. The severe lack of depth. If she runs over everyone and then wins the title, she has no threats, and Bianca's reign is already dead in the water. But at the same time, if they call women up, they shouldn't be called up just to be fed to her either. It's why I'm wary of them calling up women like Raquel, Dakota, Io, etc. Because odds are they'll be fed to whoever is champion at the time and lose a ton of support in the process. At least Dakota and Io definitely would. There's also the problem where if they take women like Io and Dakota out of the NXT Women's Division, they lose two of their most reliable veterans to guide their greener talents through matches. Because Mandy sure as hell isn't going to be carrying anyone. And they've completely destroyed any credibility Sarray has. This is why I'm not a fan of Bianca's booking right now. She bulldozed over Doudrop like it was basically nothing, has already ran over Zelina and Carmella several times over in the last year alone, so it makes the inevitable rematch with Becky feel...not as special? Like if the women's title matches at Mania are Becky/Bianca and Sasha/Charlotte, I can't say in good faith that it would make for a must see show. In fact, I would go as far to say both those matches would be incredibly stale.
I wonder if this issue is also part of why Becky returned as a heel. She could have been kept a face, but then no one would have been a plausible threat to her because of her dominant booking from 2018 on. (And while they tried at points during the WM 35 build to present her as an underdog, it didn't work because WWE couldn't decide on whether she was an underdog or an unstoppable badass, and tried to present her as both simultaneously.)
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 2, 2022 10:05:03 GMT -5
For me, Bianca taking down Becky is as obvious as Thunder Rosa taking down Britt. Just enjoy the ride too it happens at Mania/Revolution.
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Post by mistery on Jan 2, 2022 10:20:37 GMT -5
For me, Bianca taking down Becky is as obvious as Thunder Rosa taking down Britt. Just enjoy the ride too it happens at Mania/Revolution. The problem is, and this is a very major problem, they haven't built anyone up who could viably take down Bianca. So it would just be her running over the entire division for months on end, killing any credibility of any actual potential stars. So it would be the Becky situation all over again, except with a face instead of a heel.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 2, 2022 10:25:49 GMT -5
For me, Bianca taking down Becky is as obvious as Thunder Rosa taking down Britt. Just enjoy the ride too it happens at Mania/Revolution. The problem is, and this is a very major problem, they haven't built anyone up who could viably take down Bianca. So it would just be her running over the entire division for months on end, killing any credibility of any actual potential stars. So it would be the Becky situation all over again, except with a face instead of a heel. This is the effect circlejerking the title(s)between the Horsewomen for the better part of 3-4 years. Nobody matters and everyone absolutely sucks compared to them
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 2, 2022 10:26:40 GMT -5
For me, Bianca taking down Becky is as obvious as Thunder Rosa taking down Britt. Just enjoy the ride too it happens at Mania/Revolution. The problem is, and this is a very major problem, they haven't built anyone up who could viably take down Bianca. So it would just be her running over the entire division for months on end, killing any credibility of any actual potential stars. So it would be the Becky situation all over again, except with a face instead of a heel. Very valid
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 10:36:06 GMT -5
For me, Bianca taking down Becky is as obvious as Thunder Rosa taking down Britt. Just enjoy the ride too it happens at Mania/Revolution. The problem is, and this is a very major problem, they haven't built anyone up who could viably take down Bianca. So it would just be her running over the entire division for months on end, killing any credibility of any actual potential stars. So it would be the Becky situation all over again, except with a face instead of a heel. By the time post-Mania rolls around though, she’ll have some of Asuka, Alexa, Bayley and Lacey as potential opponents (whichever are assigned to Raw). Plus Ripley and any NXT callups and any Becky rematches. And I think Beth is going to be making a final run here so that’s a potential PPV match. Definitely enough to feud with for the year.
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Post by gl83 on Jan 2, 2022 10:42:32 GMT -5
The problem is, and this is a very major problem, they haven't built anyone up who could viably take down Bianca. So it would just be her running over the entire division for months on end, killing any credibility of any actual potential stars. So it would be the Becky situation all over again, except with a face instead of a heel. By the time post-Mania rolls around though, she’ll have some of Asuka, Alexa, Bayley and Lacey as potential opponents (whichever are assigned to Raw). Plus Ripley and any NXT callups and any Becky rematches. And I think Beth is going to be making a final run here so that’s a potential PPV match. Definitely enough to feud with for the year. Except Smackdown is also in the same boat when it comes to lacking any strong credible Heels as well. Several of those people will need to be on Smackdown to give Sasha some credible challengers because the current crop(Shotzi, Natalya, Shayna) are damaged goods right now.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 11:04:11 GMT -5
By the time post-Mania rolls around though, she’ll have some of Asuka, Alexa, Bayley and Lacey as potential opponents (whichever are assigned to Raw). Plus Ripley and any NXT callups and any Becky rematches. And I think Beth is going to be making a final run here so that’s a potential PPV match. Definitely enough to feud with for the year. Except Smackdown is also in the same boat when it comes to lacking any strong credible Heels as well. Several of those people will need to be on Smackdown to give Sasha some credible challengers because the current crop(Shotzi, Natalya, Shayna) are damaged goods right now. Shayna is still fairly strong, Sonya I assume will be full-time wrestling again, Charlotte will obviously be in the picture. Shotzi is still salvageable if they want. I can see them getting one or two of the Asuka, Bayley, Alexa, Lacey group. Then again, potential NXT call ups. I’m going to assume at least Raquel, Shirai and Dakota will be up at some point. Think there’s still plenty there to flesh out the two divisions. The tag division is an issue though obviously.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 2, 2022 11:09:01 GMT -5
It was so stupid to have her just beat Piper three weeks in a row on TV. There’s your monster heel, but they’ve neutered her as a threat already. Yeah, I'm a little confused as to why they burned through those matches so quickly. If built right, that could have been an awesome moment in the Rumble on Bianca's way to winning it. To respond to the OP, no, her push isn't manufactured and she's not at risk of being overexposed yet. People lost their absolute shit when she lost to Becky. They care and want to see her win it again.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 2, 2022 11:10:23 GMT -5
This whole thing is an example of WWE’s larger booking problem. Namely they’re only interested in truly presenting a few people as real stars. And it leads to the issue of: -Running the same feuds into the ground from overuse.
-No one else feels like a real credible threat. And if lose some of those top stars, you’re in trouble.
SD has this problem with both the men and women right for example.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 2, 2022 12:11:23 GMT -5
Are people actually turning on Bianca now? I saw someone say she shouldn't be the one to get the big win over Becky at Wrestlemania and should let a younger star get that spot like she's some veteran whose been on top for a decade. She's still less than a year into her main event push! Even Becky for as big a star as she is has only been in the real top spot since August 2018 so taking away the time she was off on maternity leave that's a little over 2 years. They're 32 and 34 respectively, in the prime of their careers and have years left if they want it. This isn't John Cena v Randy Orton in 2014 who've been on top for nearly 20 years combined, have 30 titles between them and faced each other 100 times. Their story literally only started in August and they've had a couple matches with screwy outcomes. The story obviously has to end with Bianca getting revenge for the humiliation of Summerslam. This is probably the biggest Wrestlemania match they can do on the women's side and I bet most of the negativity is online and in the actual arenas this feud will get great reactions and it'll be a great moment when Bianca wins at Wrestlemania.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 2, 2022 12:19:02 GMT -5
Are people actually turning on Bianca now? I saw someone say she shouldn't be the one to get the big win over Becky at Wrestlemania and should let a younger star get that spot like she's some veteran whose been on top for a decade. She's still less than a year into her main event push! Even Becky for as big a star as she is has only been in the real top spot since August 2018 so taking away the time she was off on maternity leave that's a little over 2 years. They're 32 and 34 respectively, in the prime of their careers and have years left if they want it. This isn't John Cena v Randy Orton in 2014 who've been on top for nearly 20 years combined, have 30 titles between them and faced each other 100 times. Their story literally only started in August and they've had a couple matches with screwy outcomes. The story obviously has to end with Bianca getting revenge for the humiliation of Summerslam. This is probably the biggest Wrestlemania match they can do on the women's side and I bet most of the negativity is online and in the actual arenas this feud will get great reactions and it'll be a great moment when Bianca wins at Wrestlemania. You nailed it. Bianca is super over and is barely getting any pushback on her push, even online. And the feud is still fresh. It should main event one of the nights of Mania easily and should be a highlight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 13:00:42 GMT -5
IMO it is not that any real majority are turning on Bianca but instead no one wants to but WWE booking is pushing her in the direction of just throwing all their eggs into one f***ing basket again with her.
She won the rumble She main evented and won the title at Mania She was the sole survivor at SVS overcoming 3 on 1 odds Has pretty much trounced the rest of the Raw womens division
All the usual call signs of WWE sacrificing the rest of the division to prop up one woman is there and it never ends well ever.
They can do Bianca Vs Becky without needing the title but they aint brave enough to even attempt so no sense in even fantasizing about that direction.
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Post by mistery on Jan 2, 2022 13:06:10 GMT -5
Are people actually turning on Bianca now? I saw someone say she shouldn't be the one to get the big win over Becky at Wrestlemania and should let a younger star get that spot like she's some veteran whose been on top for a decade. She's still less than a year into her main event push! Even Becky for as big a star as she is has only been in the real top spot since August 2018 so taking away the time she was off on maternity leave that's a little over 2 years. They're 32 and 34 respectively, in the prime of their careers and have years left if they want it. This isn't John Cena v Randy Orton in 2014 who've been on top for nearly 20 years combined, have 30 titles between them and faced each other 100 times. Their story literally only started in August and they've had a couple matches with screwy outcomes. The story obviously has to end with Bianca getting revenge for the humiliation of Summerslam. This is probably the biggest Wrestlemania match they can do on the women's side and I bet most of the negativity is online and in the actual arenas this feud will get great reactions and it'll be a great moment when Bianca wins at Wrestlemania. You nailed it. Bianca is super over and is barely getting any pushback on her push, even online. And the feud is still fresh. It should main event one of the nights of Mania easily and should be a highlight. You are missing the point of what is being discussed. Yes she has support right now, but what about after she wins the title? Will she keep that support as she bulldozes through a bunch of other women who are just as good as she is, if not better? And also deserve their time in the spotlight? Probably not. The point is that Bianca's push is coming at the expense of a lot of other women who won't be allowed the chance to shine. And that absolutely will breed growing resentment that will only get worse as she continues to be pushed at a huge level. It may not be happening significantly now, but there will absolutely start being some sort of pushback if she gets the title again and bulldozes the division again (including running over women who fans feel have been slighted). It also helps that in terms of actually being over, they've only really thrown her into the ring against women who were never really over to begin with (or given a chance to get over). Once they throw her into the ring against someone like an Asuka or another performer that fans feel like has been slighted, and if she goes over them, it'll definitely start to cause some significant backlash. Look at Liv Morgan. She wasn't ready to be in the title scene, and you have her fans ready to torch WWE after last night's match. No reason to think it would be any different for Bianca going over her or other fan favorites. There absolutely has to be a point in which WWE needs to stop putting all of their focus on Bianca and start building up other non-horsewomen to be major stars as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 2, 2022 13:11:11 GMT -5
Every push is manufactured. Every single one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 13:18:21 GMT -5
Nah, I heavily disagree with this. The backlash towards Bianca sounds wild especially given what she's done the past year. Since becoming champion last year she's beaten Sasha (Horsewoman), Bayley (Horsewoman), Carmella (established former champion) and Zelina (longer tenure talent). Once she lost the title to Becky she's only added Liv Morgan (who's elevated after their match and faced Becky last night), Tamina (older talent) and Doudrop (newer talent). I'm not even mentioning all the times she's beaten these older people.
For all the whining and complaining about Bianca's push all I'm seeing is that she mostly beats these older acts who were steamrolling everyone else. It's hard to take any "Bianca's being pushed above all these other new talent guys they need to change it it's a negative" comments seriously when the only real feud she's had with a newer talent was Doudrop. She's just putting the boots to these older people which is exactly what a new talent should do. That's common sense, that's how you keep someone in the conversation and that's how you use these people. Saying they need to move onto someone else when Bianca's reign had a horrible ending is just silly and it's just saying "well hey, your ending is bad but forget that let's go to someone else" when the reality is no it needs to say "hey your ending was bad but we're going to do what we can to make up for it and bring you back up so then when you're back up you make someone else."
So if they're really trying to keep Bianca hot and they'll make up for that trash finish then good, that's what they SHOULD DO.
That's what they should have done for Kofi. That's what they need to do for Big E. That's what they should do for every talent who's hot and then loses in a bad way. Because it keeps them in the conversation and it's using them to help others when needed.
But with Bianca...apparently they shouldn't do that...and people want them to move onto someone else like they did with Kofi and Big E...even when it's clear that they haven't utilized her to her max yet...
Got it.
That sounds nasty from an optics standpoint.
I don't know but it sounds like people are just scared like they always are when it comes to WWE booking. They're actually doing something right with her here which I'm giving em props for. If people are afraid of the future and afraid of fan backlash and such then hey be afraid. I can't stop yall from being that way but with that said we can't be saying they need to flip the off switch on her when we were saying that's what they need to not do for talent once they lose titles.
I hope everybody who loses a title badly gets the "Bianca post-title" push because it keeps them hot, in the conversation and it's best for all talent working with them. That's just the dream for talent.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 2, 2022 13:44:01 GMT -5
There is backlash against Bianca? News to me
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