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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 2, 2022 13:49:31 GMT -5
Watching the Ruthless Agression documentary, they claim the results were 100% legit.
Did anyone else hear anything different?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 2, 2022 14:09:05 GMT -5
I mean, WWE does seem to have at least one employee who likely believes that voting results are illegitimate if they aren't what they wanted  |
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 14:10:33 GMT -5
I believe there were some stories of the matches not going to booking plan and being called on the fly because of the results.
Shelton/Jericho was a famous one where the company were trying to book someone else to be that person but the audience voted for Shelton so Jericho called it on the fly for him to lose.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 2, 2022 14:22:01 GMT -5
Jericho legitimately didn't know he was facing Shelton Benjamin at Taboo Tuesday 2004 until he was already in the ring and the final results came up so I think they're legit.
On that same show Shawn Michaels won the fan vote to face Triple H over Benoit. Michaels was hurt and they technically could have just lied and said Benoit won the vote and had him lose to HHH to save Michaels from hurting his leg more but they went with the actual result and Michaels went out there and had to limp around and have a 15 minute title match.
I forget who it was but I remember someone years ago talking about how the results of one vote surprised people backstage and they were scrambling because they were expecting a different winner.
One time Mason Ryan won a fan vote to face Sin Cara over Evan Bourne which was the obvious result they wanted/expected. That might be the example I'm thinking of above actually. It turned out Ryan only won because there was a mistake and votes for Kelly Kelly from the previous match went to him by accident. Again, they could have just lied and said Bourne won but they went with the Ryan match since he won so I think these votes are actually legit.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 2, 2022 14:25:00 GMT -5
They were definitely legitimate. You run into significant legal problems if you fix a fan vote and WWE was well aware of that.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 2, 2022 14:28:06 GMT -5
I believe there were some stories of the matches not going to booking plan and being called on the fly because of the results. Shelton/Jericho was a famous one where the company were trying to book someone else to be that person but the audience voted for Shelton so Jericho called it on the fly for him to lose. And to make matters worse Jericho wasn't even told about this until around event time, so he had to meet with all 8 potential contenders one at a time and work out part of the match with them. As a funny aside he also stated that he would have no problems putting over most of the challengers, save for the sole exception of Johnathan Coachman (Yes he was one of the choices) whom if chosen Jericho would get to squash in ten seconds flat. |
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Post by cjh on Jan 2, 2022 14:29:56 GMT -5
Jericho legitimately didn't know he was facing Shelton Benjamin at Taboo Tuesday 2004 until he was already in the ring and the final results came up so I think they're legit. On that same show Shawn Michaels won the fan vote to face Triple H over Benoit. Michaels was hurt and they technically could have just lied and said Benoit won the vote and had him lose to HHH to save Michaels from hurting his leg more but they went with the actual result and Michaels went out there and had to limp around and have a 15 minute title match. I forget who it was but I remember someone years ago talking about how the results of one vote surprised people backstage and they were scrambling because they were expecting a different winner.
One time Mason Ryan won a fan vote to face Sin Cara over Evan Bourne which was the obvious result they wanted/expected. That might be the example I'm thinking of above actually. It turned out Ryan only won because there was a mistake and votes for Kelly Kelly from the previous match went to him by accident. Again, they could have just lied and said Bourne won but they went with the Ryan match since he won so I think these votes are actually legit. In 2006, WWE thought Dusty Rhodes was going to win the vote to be Ric Flair's partner instead of Roddy Piper. |
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Post by Aceorton on Jan 2, 2022 14:33:56 GMT -5
They were definitely legitimate. You run into significant legal problems if you fix a fan vote and WWE was well aware of that. Not saying this isn't true, but can you elaborate? How would WWE get in actual trouble for this? Did fans have to pay some kind of fee for Cyber Sunday voting where they could then come back later and claim they were wronged/ripped off by the results being rigged? |
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Jan 2, 2022 14:44:23 GMT -5
Surprised they haven't done an event like it in the age of FB/Twitter. I get outcomes may not be what you'd like but it seems like a fun way for the produces/wrestlers to be surprised too. Just don't make the choices available people with injuries if that's a concern
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 2, 2022 14:46:29 GMT -5
They were definitely legitimate. You run into significant legal problems if you fix a fan vote and WWE was well aware of that. Not saying this isn't true, but can you elaborate? How would WWE get in actual trouble for this? Did fans have to pay some kind of fee for Cyber Sunday voting where they could then come back later and claim they were wronged/ripped off by the results being rigged? My understand is you're liable for fraud if you run an event with the premise of fan voting only to rig the results anyway. Like the ESPYs are all premised on fan voting. If ESPN decided they wanted to pick the winners instead, that would be a major problem. |
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 15:00:07 GMT -5
In 2006, WWE thought Dusty Rhodes was going to win the vote to be Ric Flair's partner instead of Roddy Piper. That and the audience voting for Mankind over Dude Love to face Carlito are two results I’m still bitter about. THE COOLEST CAT VERSUS THE DUDE WHO THINKS HE’S COOL SOLD ITSELF! |
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Post by Woo on Jan 2, 2022 15:23:49 GMT -5
Must be real. I remember one stipulation match being something like "No DQ, street fight or no holds barred". They wouldn't have done that if it weren't legit.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jan 2, 2022 15:27:48 GMT -5
 Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 15:30:10 GMT -5
You know, I would've voted for the plain ol' One-on-One match between Ric Flair and Triple H and the verbal debate at Taboo Tuesday 2005 between Batista and Coachman, just saying.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 2, 2022 15:36:29 GMT -5
 Good times. |
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 15:48:45 GMT -5
Not saying this isn't true, but can you elaborate? How would WWE get in actual trouble for this? Did fans have to pay some kind of fee for Cyber Sunday voting where they could then come back later and claim they were wronged/ripped off by the results being rigged? My understand is you're liable for fraud if you run an event with the premise of fan voting only to rig the results anyway. Like the ESPYs are all premised on fan voting. If ESPN decided they wanted to pick the winners instead, that would be a major problem. In the UK, it lead to a massive scandal involving (I think) one of the Pop Idol finales to the point where the law was changed that you have to clarify that voting has a cutoff at a certain point since that was one of the factors behind it. Considering people were paying a premium for it, it was understandable. |
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 2, 2022 16:47:10 GMT -5
 This was the match where I figured it was rigged cause Honky Tonk Man just happened to win over Piper by 1% |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 2, 2022 17:36:01 GMT -5
Legitimate but obviously they booked in a way to get the results they wanted.
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Post by eJm on Jan 2, 2022 17:39:01 GMT -5
Legitimate but obviously they booked in a way to get the results they wanted. Oh yeah, remember the Ric Flair promo before his match with HHH where he pretty much spent 20 minutes going “I WANT HHH IN A STEEL CAGE! VOTE FOR STEEL CAGE! NO, SERIOUSLY, STEEL CAGE!” |
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 2, 2022 23:25:53 GMT -5
I remember someone in the diva's battle royal (Gail Kim perhaps?) later saying in an interview that they had all three sets of outfits ready in the back and had to get dressed very quickly once the result was announced.
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