Totorob101
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Post by Totorob101 on Jan 19, 2022 4:55:27 GMT -5
He has AEW written all over him so once this nonsense ends with him being released he will be back as WALTER and kicking ass.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jan 19, 2022 5:10:02 GMT -5
Did the writer who pitched Unfrozen Nazi Heidenreich get their job back?
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 19, 2022 5:11:45 GMT -5
For now, it's just a name, but the man is going to come up to the main roster and given the ultimate dance gimmick And when he comes out, you will actually be able to hear Vince howling from gorilla position, "Yes! Clap, fat boy, clap!"
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 19, 2022 6:02:52 GMT -5
He’ll be gone within a year because a 76 year old man and his cronies won’t “get him” when really they’re the ones who should be put to pasture. Record profits. Well worth turning down NJPW, eh? It is painfully ironic that for the longest time he didn't want to commit to any long tour outside of Europe to be with his family more, and the literal second he does, WWE claps their hands and goes "Ok, here's your new name, it's a World War II Submarine commanders!". And even if it wasn't, the fact they've decided to change the name of a dude who has been here for years at this point, just reeks of Vince needing to put his handprint on something no matter how hard it breaks it because it wasn't necessary The alternative scene was way different when WALTER signed... have to imagine with shit like this, he's not lasting in WWE much longer while he still has a prime left worth a damn.
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 6:23:46 GMT -5
Okay, people who are upset about this "Nazi" thing should really calm down just a smidge. Gunther Stark was a U-boat commander, yes. He did nothing of particular note and was sunk after two patrols. There were 1250 U-boats commissioned by the Kriegsmarine in WWII. Having a name that matches the commander of one is just a likely consequence of having a male German name.
If he'd been Heinrich Himmler, sure, that's a problem. If they'd called him Gunther Prien or Walther Schwieger, okay, that would be weird. This was pretty clearly just a random German name they thought sounded good, and if Google didn't exist literally nobody was going to connect that name to a U-boat.
Granted, WWE should probably have googled the name, but really, if it weren't for the current political climate nobody would give a toss about the "Nazi" connection. Their real sin here is the amazingly half-assed way they changed the name.
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Post by clifford on Jan 19, 2022 6:32:19 GMT -5
lol, jesus christ. Of course. Cause no one can get over by being themselves anymore, right? You need the 'Fed name and the 'Fed gimmick and be stripped away of everything that made you popular and rebuilt from the ground up in the 'Fed image. And if you can't get over by doing that, its your fault and you don't deserve to be in the 'Fed anyway. f*** outta here.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 19, 2022 6:43:07 GMT -5
Well, he can always try what another Walter did...
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 19, 2022 6:47:22 GMT -5
I mean, honestly, slot Vince in here for Homer and you realize it could've been worse.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 19, 2022 7:27:48 GMT -5
For what it's worth the writeup for the show on the site repeatedly calls him WALTER and has zero mention of the Gunther thing so who knows what the deal with that is.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 19, 2022 7:31:01 GMT -5
For what it's worth the writeup for the show on the site repeatedly calls him WALTER and has zero mention of the Gunther thing so who knows what the deal with that is. Although they keep the video of it, so… I mean, for f***s sake, this has taken all the shine off of a cracking match he had with Strong. I might be the first person here to mention it since it finished.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 19, 2022 7:44:26 GMT -5
Vince: Bruce! We need new marketable Germanic sounding new name for this Walter character. How does "Dieter" sound pal?
Bruce: That's already owned by Lorne Michaels and Co.
Vince: Okay, how about Von Kaiser?
Bruce: Nintendo owns that trademark, And besides he already refused to grow any facial hair.
Vince: Alright, what about "Gunther"? Anyone owns that name?
Bruce: Not to my knowledge.
Vince: Great! Gunther it is pal! Oh and we need something to help bring in the kids to our hip new NXT 2.0 so we'll give him the last name of Stark! Like the guy from those hip new Iron Man movies.
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 7:57:25 GMT -5
Vince: Bruce! We need new marketable Germanic sounding new name for this Walter character. How does "Dieter" sound pal? Bruce: That's already owned by Lorne Michaels and Co. Vince: Okay, how about Von Kaiser? Bruce: Nintendo owns that trademark, And besides he already refused to grow any facial hair. Vince: Alright, what about "Gunther"? Anyone owns that name? Bruce: Not to my knowledge. Vince: Great! Gunther it is pal! Oh and we need something to help bring in the kids to our hip new NXT 2.0 so we'll give him the last name of Stark! Like the guy from those hip new Iron Man movies. This is probably a lot closer to how that name was picked than anything to do with World War II. Although now, for the hell of it, I want him to totally run with the U-boat gimmick. - Sneak around and "torpedo" people from their blindside - Hide under the ring and use a periscope to spy on the action when a rival is wrestling - Finishing move is DAS BOOT - Unstoppable until you use an Airplane Spin on him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 8:02:48 GMT -5
Man, it's such a talent this company has to be able to shut someone down with just one action. That completely overtook anything about the actual match and his NXT push. Damn.
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Post by noobeast on Jan 19, 2022 8:03:28 GMT -5
Okay, people who are upset about this "Nazi" thing should really calm down just a smidge. Gunther Stark was a U-boat commander, yes. He did nothing of particular note and was sunk after two patrols. There were 1250 U-boats commissioned by the Kriegsmarine in WWII. Having a name that matches the commander of one is just a likely consequence of having a male German name. If he'd been Heinrich Himmler, sure, that's a problem. If they'd called him Gunther Prien or Walther Schwieger, okay, that would be weird. This was pretty clearly just a random German name they thought sounded good, and if Google didn't exist literally nobody was going to connect that name to a U-boat. Granted, WWE should probably have googled the name, but really, if it weren't for the current political climate nobody would give a toss about the "Nazi" connection. Their real sin here is the amazingly half-assed way they changed the name. You really should have kept this opinion to yourself. Justifying giving someone a Nazi's name when you could just, y'know, easily NOT give someone a Nazi's name, is a real bad look. And suggesting that Google is to blame for people disliking a man being given a Nazi's name is just straight bullshit. Stop. Also, f*** this company and everything they do.
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 19, 2022 8:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 19, 2022 8:47:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if they backed off on it, TBH. Even if they didn't mean to name the guy after a Nazi, they kinda named a guy after a Nazi.
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Post by H-Virus on Jan 19, 2022 9:01:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if they backed off on it, TBH. Even if they didn't mean to name the guy after a Nazi, they kinda named a guy after a Nazi. On one hand, it's nowhere near as egregious as WCW calling one of their wrestlers "The Final Solution", but at the same time, it's amazing how literally ten seconds of research could have prevented this whole thing.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 19, 2022 9:04:26 GMT -5
FINE, HE'S GOING BACK TO VAULTER. SOMEONE FIND A GIANT POLE.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 19, 2022 9:08:29 GMT -5
Okay, people who are upset about this "Nazi" thing should really calm down just a smidge. Gunther Stark was a U-boat commander, yes. He did nothing of particular note and was sunk after two patrols. There were 1250 U-boats commissioned by the Kriegsmarine in WWII. Having a name that matches the commander of one is just a likely consequence of having a male German name. If he'd been Heinrich Himmler, sure, that's a problem. If they'd called him Gunther Prien or Walther Schwieger, okay, that would be weird. This was pretty clearly just a random German name they thought sounded good, and if Google didn't exist literally nobody was going to connect that name to a U-boat. Granted, WWE should probably have googled the name, but really, if it weren't for the current political climate nobody would give a toss about the "Nazi" connection. Their real sin here is the amazingly half-assed way they changed the name. I don't know man. Googling names to make sure there aren't any dark or weird connections should be a pretty standard thing to do in WWE creative. And it wasn't like this was some weird deep Google cut. If you google that name it's one of the first things that come up. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the "political climate," either. The Holocaust wasn't some minor dark period in the world. People still mourn and honor relatives and shouldn't have to be reminded of it while watching pro wrestling. I'm not saying you're saying it's no big deal, but the point is that we live in a world where information is more easily accessible and businesses should be more considerate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 9:09:06 GMT -5
Okay, people who are upset about this "Nazi" thing should really calm down just a smidge. Gunther Stark was a U-boat commander, yes. He did nothing of particular note and was sunk after two patrols. There were 1250 U-boats commissioned by the Kriegsmarine in WWII. Having a name that matches the commander of one is just a likely consequence of having a male German name. If he'd been Heinrich Himmler, sure, that's a problem. If they'd called him Gunther Prien or Walther Schwieger, okay, that would be weird. This was pretty clearly just a random German name they thought sounded good, and if Google didn't exist literally nobody was going to connect that name to a U-boat. Granted, WWE should probably have googled the name, but really, if it weren't for the current political climate nobody would give a toss about the "Nazi" connection. Their real sin here is the amazingly half-assed way they changed the name. The "current political climate" meaning the past 80 years? Pretty sure there hasn't been a time where being named after a nazi would not raise eyebrows.
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