Blade
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 9:09:45 GMT -5
You really should have kept this opinion to yourself. Justifying giving someone a Nazi's name when you could just, y'know, easily NOT give someone a Nazi's name, is a real bad look. And suggesting that Google is to blame for people disliking a man being given a Nazi's name is just straight bullshit. Stop. Also, f*** this company and everything they do. Yes, f*** this company. Also, no, I am not going to pretend that a common German name is "a Nazi's name" because somebody nobody had heard of before yesterday was a Uboat commander. The guy is not notable enough to even have a Wikipedia page. There are tons of Gunther Starks, including several more notable ones than an obscure submarine commander, who actually have (German) wikipedia articles. It is not "a Nazi's name", it is just a name. Any common German name is "a Nazi's name" by this inane standard. You are outraged over literally nothing, and worse, you have let that blind you to the fact that it is a) a common name, and b) Gunther and Günther are not even the same damn name. They are not pronounced the same. So, given that, now your already absurd standard becomes "anything that is even similar to the name of any of the literally millions of people who were in the German armed forces in WWII is off the table", which is a) insane, and b) not a standard applied to anything else. If a wrestler is named Robert E Lee, then that's probably worth some blowback. If a wrestler is named "Samuel Clayton" which happens to be the name of some obscure Confederate cavalry officer who was shot in his first battle, then unless their gimmick is "confederate guy" I'm pretty comfortable in writing it off as a coincidence and not falling all over myself to show off how OUTRAGED I am. Despite the fact WWE is stupid, evil, and racist, there is not a shred of credibility to the idea that this was deliberately "a Nazi name". They do enough things to make people upset in reality, there is no need to make more up.
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Blade
Don Corleone
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 9:19:26 GMT -5
I don't know man. Googling names to make sure there aren't any dark or weird connections should be a pretty standard thing to do in WWE creative. And it wasn't like this was some weird deep Google cut. If you google that name it's one of the first things that come up. I don't think it's fair to blame this on the "political climate," either. The Holocaust wasn't some minor dark period in the world. People still mourn and honor relatives and shouldn't have to be reminded of it while watching pro wrestling. I'm not saying you're saying it's no big deal, but the point is that we live in a world where information is more easily accessible and businesses should be more considerate. It's one of the first things that comes up because Google thinks English speakers are more likely to be looking for a list of Uboat commanders than theatre directors. As for "the political climate"... twitter isn't hysterical about this (and literally anything else tenuously Nazi-related) because of the Holocaust. It is because of something much more recent, and although I can't say what it is here, I am sure you know who I'm talking about. If you think people would normally immediately jump from "hey, this guy has a name similar to that of an obscure Uboat commander" to "the Holocaust"... well, I can only say "No, I don't think most people would normally do that". Of course it was dumb for WWE not to google it first or think that nobody would connect the two, but WWE does staggeringly dumb shit all the time so that doesn't exactly shock me. Like forgetting contracts, forgetting no-competes, sending the wrong person email because both their names were "Austin", etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 9:29:11 GMT -5
To borrow a phrase from dunkey, this company is ultra mega ass.
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pinja
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Post by pinja on Jan 19, 2022 9:29:46 GMT -5
Assumed naming conventions are a problem in itself, because it borderlines on the bratwurst and lederhosen clichés. There IS a resurgence of Germanic names, but it's your Leopolds and Pauls, your Karlas and Friedas - not Gunther/Günther, which is still seen as out-of-date. Now Walter already is kind of funny sounding for it's so old-fashioned. But the combination of old-fashioned, a militaristic aesthetic plus the first page Google hits is poisonous.
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asuka007
Fry's dog Seymour
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 19, 2022 9:31:37 GMT -5
People could also mock this because the dorky coffee shop owner from Friends also had the same name.
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Post by eJm on Jan 19, 2022 9:37:57 GMT -5
The thing to add to this whole thing is…they’re a billion dollar company. They have more money than any other wrestling company will likely ever see with the same resources to get people in whose job is to check and double check these things. Same with trademarks, contracts etc. This just shouldn’t be happening and there’s no actual good reason it should.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 19, 2022 9:40:37 GMT -5
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Timeless Hayterade
Dennis Stamp
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Jan 19, 2022 9:42:16 GMT -5
I give it six months before Gunther is wearing lederhosen and chasing the 24/7 title.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 19, 2022 9:45:04 GMT -5
So when Vince left the room silently after being pitched the unfrozen Nazi idea, was his real issue with the cryogenics?
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asuka007
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 19, 2022 9:48:49 GMT -5
He wanted to debut Kenzo Suzuki as a reincarnated Emperor Hirohito coming back for revenge for Japan losing WW2, ion 2004.
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Blade
Don Corleone
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 9:49:58 GMT -5
So when Vince left the room silently after being pitched the unfrozen Nazi idea, was his real issue with the cryogenics? Well, he DID try to debut Kenzo Suzuki as Hirohito before unsung hero Hiroko convinced him it was a terrible idea... (One reason I am 100% certain this wasn't WWE trying to do a "Nazi" name is, as the above demonstrates, it is far too subtle. Some nobody sub commander? No way. He'd be, like, Manfred Von Rommel or something, mixing total unsubtlety with a complete confusion about which war they're referencing.)
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Blade
Don Corleone
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Post by Blade on Jan 19, 2022 10:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 19, 2022 10:17:55 GMT -5
So when Vince left the room silently after being pitched the unfrozen Nazi idea, was his real issue with the cryogenics? Well, he DID try to debut Kenzo Suzuki as Hirohito before unsung hero Hiroko convinced him it was a terrible idea... (One reason I am 100% certain this wasn't WWE trying to do a "Nazi" name is, as the above demonstrates, it is far too subtle. Some nobody sub commander? No way. He'd be, like, Manfred Von Rommel or something, mixing total unsubtlety with a complete confusion about which war they're referencing.) Yeah, like Baron Van Wagner or something. Wait.... Or maybe they'd just name him John Cena Because you can nazi him.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 19, 2022 10:22:34 GMT -5
You really should have kept this opinion to yourself. Justifying giving someone a Nazi's name when you could just, y'know, easily NOT give someone a Nazi's name, is a real bad look. And suggesting that Google is to blame for people disliking a man being given a Nazi's name is just straight bullshit. Stop. Also, f*** this company and everything they do. Yes, f*** this company. Also, no, I am not going to pretend that a common German name is "a Nazi's name" because somebody nobody had heard of before yesterday was a Uboat commander. The guy is not notable enough to even have a Wikipedia page. There are tons of Gunther Starks, including several more notable ones than an obscure submarine commander, who actually have (German) wikipedia articles. It is not "a Nazi's name", it is just a name. Any common German name is "a Nazi's name" by this inane standard. You are outraged over literally nothing, and worse, you have let that blind you to the fact that it is a) a common name, and b) Gunther and Günther are not even the same damn name. They are not pronounced the same. So, given that, now your already absurd standard becomes "anything that is even similar to the name of any of the literally millions of people who were in the German armed forces in WWII is off the table", which is a) insane, and b) not a standard applied to anything else. If a wrestler is named Robert E Lee, then that's probably worth some blowback. If a wrestler is named "Samuel Clayton" which happens to be the name of some obscure Confederate cavalry officer who was shot in his first battle, then unless their gimmick is "confederate guy" I'm pretty comfortable in writing it off as a coincidence and not falling all over myself to show off how OUTRAGED I am. Despite the fact WWE is stupid, evil, and racist, there is not a shred of credibility to the idea that this was deliberately "a Nazi name". They do enough things to make people upset in reality, there is no need to make more up. I wish I could like this post multiple times.
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r.
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by r. on Jan 19, 2022 10:26:01 GMT -5
womp womp womp
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 19, 2022 10:27:26 GMT -5
I hope the one thing we can all agree on is that whoever didn't check on this probably has some explaining to do because now somebody they probably had actual plans for (because let's be real, they wouldn't even TRY changing his name if they didn't have plans) is now caught up in drama that could have been so easily avoided.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 19, 2022 10:31:58 GMT -5
I mean dawg, that’s some deep cut ass bigotry to choose a f***ing nazi u-boat captain name, lolol. Mans could have been anything but they stuck with this for seemingly no other reason than hardheadness.
It’s a bad look, no matter how you slice it.
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Post by eJm on Jan 19, 2022 10:33:25 GMT -5
I hope the one thing we can all agree on is that whoever didn't check on this probably has some explaining to do because now somebody they probably had actual plans for (because let's be real, they wouldn't even TRY changing his name if they didn't have plans) is now caught up in drama that could have been so easily avoided. Also that it’s hilarious that Peter “Chairman for the Jewish Wrestling Community” Rosenborg has nothing to say after his declaration after Meltzer’s shot at WWE and Saudi Arabia considering.
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Post by government mule on Jan 19, 2022 10:39:43 GMT -5
Should have been called Guenther Steiner, so he could be part time Steiner brother, part time terrible but hilarious F1 team boss.
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r.
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by r. on Jan 19, 2022 10:41:40 GMT -5
Thanks to Zip Applebee at wrestletaint.gov for obtaining this leaked mockup of Walters new outfit.
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