kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 24, 2022 10:20:45 GMT -5
I missed out on the Gresham news, so I was pretty disappointed finding out while actually there. However, Lio/Blake is always fun.
Same with losing Nick Wayne. I really wanted to see him too.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 24, 2022 10:21:19 GMT -5
My opinion is that Brett’s biggest misstep was booking this show as a building block instead of a celebration. It’s okay to give the people what they want, and instead it felt like the idea was to give outsiders victories to build for growth in the future. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but when those decisions come after a “rah-rah” speech about making it on their own, it feels hollow. It definitely killed the crowd a few times, especially the Jarrett win. Yes, there were a lot of botches and general sloppiness, and I’m not excusing those, but there’s a reason most of these competitors are on GCW and not on TV. Although I’d argue the first half of the show felt like the beautiful car crash GCW can be. To me it was the latter half that disappointed. Everything from the preshow to Cardona/Janela felt right, and then everything else felt like someone put GCW through a filter. I’ll also go on record saying that I did like Cardona/Janela. It was an overbooked mess, but if nothing else it was entertaining. Probably didn’t need to be 1/6th of the show’s runtime though. That was the biggest reason the main event was like 10 minutes with entrances. I think the trios match also went over its time and that contributed too. Not sure if it came across on the broadcast but somebody literally said over the PA to "go home."
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kidkamikaze10
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 24, 2022 10:22:35 GMT -5
All and all, I loved being at the show, but I really want to go to one of their Jersey or PA shows. I want the full GCW experience, and you can't have that in NYC right now.
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Post by eJm on Jan 24, 2022 10:25:27 GMT -5
My opinion is that Brett’s biggest misstep was booking this show as a building block instead of a celebration. It’s okay to give the people what they want, and instead it felt like the idea was to give outsiders victories to build for growth in the future. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but when those decisions come after a “rah-rah” speech about making it on their own, it feels hollow. It definitely killed the crowd a few times, especially the Jarrett win. The first sentence you wrote is how it comes off like but I didn’t write it that way and you’re right, it felt like they were building towards April rather than just going all out and making a bunch of crazy matches that was a showcase of what GCW is. Which, hey, is fine and it isn’t the worst thing you could do but it also feels like a missed opportunity. Like, take the main event, Briscoes/H8 Club? That makes so much sense. The Briscoes have had great matches in the Hammerstein, Tremont is someone who I have never seen work but LOVE his promos and he’s got a real deathmatch legacy to him and Nick Gage is…Nick Gage. But making it the length they did (intentionally or not) feels half baked. Their priorities seem super weird.
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Post by petef3 on Jan 24, 2022 10:25:47 GMT -5
As someone who's never seen Effy before, could someone explain him to me? Why the blowjob spots? It's 2022--aren't we a little past "all non-cis people are sex freaks," gay-panic crap? I don't see how this is any more excusable just because Effy's actually queer.
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Post by petef3 on Jan 24, 2022 10:27:11 GMT -5
My opinion is that Brett’s biggest misstep was booking this show as a building block instead of a celebration. It’s okay to give the people what they want, and instead it felt like the idea was to give outsiders victories to build for growth in the future. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but when those decisions come after a “rah-rah” speech about making it on their own, it feels hollow. It definitely killed the crowd a few times, especially the Jarrett win. The first sentence you wrote is how it comes off like but I didn’t write it that way and you’re right, it felt like they were building towards April rather than just going all out and making a bunch of crazy matches that was a showcase of what GCW is. Which, hey, is fine and it isn’t the worst thing you could do but it also feels like a missed opportunity. I guess they're marks for the building or something, but if the NYSAC doesn't let you do what you've done to make your mark...well, gosh, I dunno, maybe don't book a PPV in New York? What commandment from Mt. Sinai said they even had to run a show at the Hammerstein?
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 24, 2022 10:28:13 GMT -5
Some rambling thoughts...
Count me in the group that feels this show should have been so much more. Just reaching this point was a statement, but you've got the eyes of the wrestling world on you. It feels like GCW abandoned a lot of what brought them to this point. Sure, there's always been the use of big name talent, but they beat all of their guys in the big matches, Janela, Allie and Effy namely. Maybe those stories aren't over, but this is the show to put at least one of those people over. To me, this was the show to make the statement and put the belt on Cogar. He's that dude. Or give him the brass ring deal. I guess I just don't get the appeal of AJ Gray.0
Having the show at the Hammerstein looks good from a big stage standpoint, but running under the NYSAC really hampered what they could do. The building or PPV time limitations brought the show to an anti climatic end.
I enjoyed the show, but can't help but feel somewhat let down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being some hipster "I liked it before it was cool" dude. I'm so proud to have followed GCW for the past few years and it's awesome that they've got to this stage, but this show wasn't sold on Mox vs. Homicide, or any specific match really. It was built on the name of the company that has risen from basically nothing. This was the time to bring out the WTF factor they are known for, and most importantly, put their guys over, not job them out or have arguably their most popular dude fall victim to a broken-down and sad Sabi throwing a chair. Maybe I'm wrong.
If I'm Brett or GCW, I'm proud that this show happened and that they've got to the point to be able to do it, but it's back to what you do best.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 24, 2022 10:38:15 GMT -5
Some rambling thoughts... Count me in the group that feels this show should have been so much more. Just reaching this point was a statement, but you've got the eyes of the wrestling world on you. It feels like GCW abandoned a lot of what brought them to this point. Sure, there's always been the use of big name talent, but they beat all of their guys in the big matches, Janela, Allie and Effy namely. Maybe those stories aren't over, but this is the show to put at least one of those people over. To me, this was the show to make the statement and put the belt on Cogar. He's that dude. Or give him the brass ring deal. I guess I just don't get the appeal of AJ Gray.0 Having the show at the Hammerstein looks good from a big stage standpoint, but running under the NYSAC really hampered what they could do. The building or PPV time limitations brought the show to an anti climatic end. I enjoyed the show, but can't help but feel somewhat let down. Don't get me wrong, I'm not being some hipster "I liked it before it was cool" dude. I'm so proud to have followed GCW for the past few years and it's awesome that they've got to this stage, but this show wasn't sold on Mox vs. Homicide, or any specific match really. It was built on the name of the company that has risen from basically nothing. This was the time to bring out the WTF factor they are known for, and most importantly, put their guys over, not job them out or have arguably their most popular dude fall victim to a broken-down and sad Sabi throwing a chair. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm Brett or GCW, I'm proud that this show happened and that they've got to the point to be able to do it, but it's back to what you do best. I just read on Twitter that this could be considered like the Infinity War section of the story before all the GCW Homegrown guys get their heat back in Dallas, which I guess makes sense. I feel like Jarrett/Effy may end in a deathmatch of some kind and that we get Myers and Cardona vs. X-Pac and Janela too. Also, the way X-Pac was moving in that ring last night makes me wonder if X-Pac's going to be a surprise at the Rumble. Dude looked sharp.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 10:38:26 GMT -5
I know they proud themselves on the forbidden door / open door policy.
This show felt a bit to much of it.
Briscoes, Soho, Jarrett, Cardona, Grisham (I know he wasn’t there) , Half the guys in the lucha match. Even you could make a case for Mox.
Where it seemed like everyone who busted their asses all year got put in clusterf*** battle royals, scrambles, or the ladder match.
It was still a good show but it could have been a great one.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 24, 2022 10:45:07 GMT -5
I just read on Twitter that this could be considered like the Infinity War section of the story before all the GCW Homegrown guys get their heat back in Dallas, which I guess makes sense. I feel like Jarrett/Effy may end in a deathmatch of some kind and that we get Myers and Cardona vs. X-Pac and Janela too. The booking makes sense but from a show perspective that just seems backwards. Your biggest show should be the one where your guys win. I guess just let it play out.
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Post by eJm on Jan 24, 2022 10:48:45 GMT -5
I just read on Twitter that this could be considered like the Infinity War section of the story before all the GCW Homegrown guys get their heat back in Dallas, which I guess makes sense. I feel like Jarrett/Effy may end in a deathmatch of some kind and that we get Myers and Cardona vs. X-Pac and Janela too. The booking makes sense but from a show perspective that just seems backwards. Your biggest show should be the one where your guys win. I guess just let it play out. I also think the Infinity War comparison is lacking because why what happened was so viscerally shocking was because their heroes lost and badly so setting up the big massive win in the next movie (even if it wasn’t THAT Thanos but anyway) and because we had this time to invest in them. If anything, this needed an Avengers style scenario where you have these people uniting to prove themselves against the invaders and such. Have people feel like these guys can stand on their own.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 24, 2022 10:50:18 GMT -5
The booking makes sense but from a show perspective that just seems backwards. Your biggest show should be the one where your guys win. I guess just let it play out. I also think the Infinity War comparison is lacking because why what happened was so viscerally shocking was because their heroes lost and badly so setting up the big massive win in the next movie (even if it wasn’t THAT Thanos but anyway) and because we had this time to invest in them. If anything, this needed an Avengers style scenario where you have these people uniting to prove themselves against the invaders and such. Have people feel like these guys can stand on their own. THAT should have been the end of the show. Major Pod,Jarrett, etc. attack Gage and Tremont, your guys come in for the save, look like bad asses and then do your beer spot in the ring.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 24, 2022 14:15:02 GMT -5
Someone made a post summarizing the issue pretty well.
The collective promo for the show seems very much like a mission statement of "this company full of misfits and future endeavored guys is just as good as the stuff getting mainstream press, and we're going to show you why".
Then the show is largely their originals being put into multi-mans or losing to outsiders, which projects "just kidding, those guys are way more talented than ours".
They couldn't have had Allie Katch and/or Effy win one for the team, or booked Cogar to go over Mox?
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Jan 24, 2022 14:24:07 GMT -5
I'm seeing a lot of people upset by the show. I enjoyed what I watched, but I didnt order the PPV. I think so much would have been fixed had Effy beat Jarrett, and they had timed it correctly so the Cage-Briscoes had more time in final match.
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Post by eJm on Jan 24, 2022 14:26:17 GMT -5
Someone made a post summarizing the issue pretty well. The collective promo for the show seems very much like a mission statement of "this company full of misfits and future endeavored guys is just as good as the stuff getting mainstream press, and we're going to show you why". Then the show is largely their originals being put into multi-mans or losing to outsiders, which projects "just kidding, those guys are way more talented than ours". They couldn't have had Allie Katch and/or Effy win one for the team, or booked Cogar to go over Mox? Allie Katch is a weird thing to me. Like, nothing against her as a worker but, by all accounts, she is pretty much the start and end of GCW’s women’s division. But she isn’t at that same level if that makes sense? She seems to win some but I noticed in her last few big matches against people like Thunder Rosa or with Ruby she seems to lose. Like, yes, they have the For The Culture shows but those talent there either a) gets signed by other companies so they turn into “outsiders” anyway (Trish Adora for example, even though she is technically a free agent right now) or b) just never show up again. So it’s this weird thing where I’m not sure if this is a “politics” thing or a “GCW has a problem booking women” thing but I don’t want to jump to conclusions either because it’s not like they don’t do anything either.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 24, 2022 14:57:00 GMT -5
Alex Zayne would be killing it on NXT 2.0 (and I mean that as a compliment) Someone should have told Vince that.
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Post by eJm on Jan 24, 2022 15:42:08 GMT -5
Alex Zayne would be killing it on NXT 2.0 (and I mean that as a compliment) Someone should have told Vince that. Watching that Rumble match, I completely forgot the dude was there for essentially a cup of coffee.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 24, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
I’d have had Effy win myself. Jarrett is in his 50’s right now, he did not need this.
I get why Allie lost though.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Jan 24, 2022 17:14:03 GMT -5
As someone who's never seen Effy before, could someone explain him to me? Why the blowjob spots? It's 2022--aren't we a little past "all non-cis people are sex freaks," gay-panic crap? I don't see how this is any more excusable just because Effy's actually queer. He created this character himself, has it speak to his personal truth and is in complete control of it. I'm not sure what your issue is with him here.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 24, 2022 18:21:15 GMT -5
As someone who's never seen Effy before, could someone explain him to me? Why the blowjob spots? It's 2022--aren't we a little past "all non-cis people are sex freaks," gay-panic crap? I don't see how this is any more excusable just because Effy's actually queer. He created this character himself, has it speak to his personal truth and is in complete control of it. I'm not sure what your issue is with him here. My view is, the point at which something like this stops being okay is the point where the LGBTQ character is portrayed as sexually predatory. This gets complicated in wrestling, which is primarily focused on touching other people in ways they don't consent to. So one really key thing Effy does is, he never acts like he's GETTING OFF on any of the stuff he's doing to his opponent. When he grabs people's asses or whatever, he does it in a way that makes the audience think, "He's doing this to help him win the match," not "He's doing this because he inherently enjoys sexually harassing people." Digging deeper, Effy's whole character as I understand it is that he's into BDSM (of a specifically gay variety) and his wrestling style is heavily influenced by that. And his role in the scene would be "I'm a flaming little queen but I AM YOUR f***ING DADDY." The game is all about more traditionally masculine dudes feeling humiliation and domination when a dude like Effy forces them into the submissive role. So when Effy acts like that in the ring, it's not the old gay panic story where the opponent feels threatened by this gay dude hitting on them. He's not treating his opponents like freaked out straight dudes; he's treating his opponents as if they were also gay men. By the way, I think Jeff Jarrett may be perhaps the least appropriate wrestler in the entire world to help communicate this sort of character to a larger, new audience.
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