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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 26, 2022 13:51:11 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014.
So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2022 13:53:01 GMT -5
There really was no good reason for Bryan to be in of he wasn’t gonna win. The epitome of hardheadness to shove him in, especially after the previous year’s debacle.
I’m glad the Rumble has since rebounded cause there was a two year period there where the company seemingly lost all sense in terms of pacing this kind of match.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 13:54:23 GMT -5
There really was no good reason for Bryan to be in of he wasn’t gonna win. The epitome of hardheadness to shove him in, especially after the previous year’s debacle. I’m glad the Rumble has since rebounded cause there was a two year period there where the company seemingly lost all sense in terms of pacing this kind of match. I'm still amazed the 2018 Rumble happened. In the same arena, no less. It was the first time in years that it felt like WWE booked a makegood Rumble even if they didn't intend to because it felt like all the stuff they did in 2015, they did the opposite of in 2018.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 26, 2022 13:55:00 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. It was brewing in 2014 before the Rumble. After the 2014 Rumble, WWE got increasingly obvious that they wanted to launch Roman into the stratosphere post-Shield, and the breakup played out in a way that simultaneously made clear that WWE saw Roman as the breakout star (by putting him in big matches right afterward) while making Ambrose and Rollins look better to the audience (by having a good feud over the Shield breakup while Roman went on to other things while still using the Shield entrance and music). The Rumble was more a confirmation of a lot of fans' increasing dread with Roman's booking.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 26, 2022 13:55:14 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. Gotta remember Roman was technically still on the come up in 2014 as a “new” upper card guy. The resentment was growing but it wasn’t until he came back during the build to the rumble (and that he was clearly being groomed to win it), that’s when the wheels started to fall off.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 26, 2022 13:56:49 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. It started in 2014. When Bryan was out injured and it was obvious Roman was the company's choice. Bryan was making his comeback and the audience wanted him back with the title, and the company made it obvious what they wanted. Look at the Rumble itself. The crowd was hot for Bray running over everyone and as soon as he dumped Bryan, they started booing everything and chanting Bryan's name.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 13:56:53 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. I mean, people had kinda sensed what was coming with Reigns since right at the beginning in terms of “He’s their next ace”, and there was a lot of stuff during the Shield run that backed that up, BUT… Shield Reigns was great. And because it was 2014 and we weren’t so far gone yet to poo-poo literally everything that happens before it happens, we kinda figured they’d keep him like that as a singles guy. But again, the warning signs of change were there early. Like one of the first things he did was spike Vickie Guerrero’s water or something? Anyway, the backlash might’ve happened earlier than it did had he not had to take three months off for a hernia, but it definitely didn’t happen wholesale until that next Rumble.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 14:01:49 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. I mean, people had kinda sensed what was coming with Reigns since right at the beginning in terms of “He’s their next ace”, and there was a lot of stuff during the Shield run that backed that up, BUT… Shield Reigns was great. And because it was 2014 and we weren’t so far gone yet to poo-poo literally everything that happens before it happens, we kinda figured they’d keep him like that as a singles guy. But again, the warning signs of change were there early. Like one of the first things he did was spike Vickie Guerrero’s water or something? Anyway, the backlash might’ve happened earlier than it did had he not had to take three months off for a hernia, but it definitely didn’t happen wholesale until that next Rumble. He spiked Stephanie's water. Which, regardless of who it was, isn't exactly a babyface thing to do. The key thing, from what I remember, is that they Diesel'd/Cena'd him. Basically took everything that made the dude cool and sanitized it to make it suitable for families, or whatever. Not having him get his own persona and making it be "Not able to get over The Shield breakup despite not doing anything about it" didn't really help either.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Jan 26, 2022 14:16:50 GMT -5
This was the most fascinatingly terrible booking I've ever seen. It's an absolute triumph of awful decisions, where the disaster is so enormous, it becomes incredibly satisfying to watch it inevitably play out.
Because they had been setting this up since Reigns debuted. EVERYONE could see, "Oh look, it's the guy they're going to try to make the big star, and the fans are going to turn on him, and instead they'll strongly prefer someone smaller who Vince will resent for it." And then it sloowwwwwllllyyy played out and finally at the Rumble the train crashed and in a way it felt like this perfect culmination.
Reigns was always going to get huge backlash; no matter how many times the WWE tries to push Luger in favor of Bret, the fans will always prefer Bret. But here is this amazing time where they didn't course-correct AT ALL, they just let it play out.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 26, 2022 14:17:46 GMT -5
Funny enough, the WWE took it upon themselves to upload the misery of this very match just yesterday.
Just watch the last 10 minutes of this nightmare and see just how the 'Local Men' truly ruined everything about the match that night. Like I'm not even including the Daniel Bryan stuff in my biggest issues, just watch how they treat Ziggler, Wyatt, and Ambrose, literally tossing them out of the ring like garbage bags.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 14:19:25 GMT -5
Funny enough, the WWE took it upon themselves to upload the misery of this very match just yesterday. Just watch the last 10 minutes of this nightmare and see just how the 'Local Men' truly ruined everything about the match that night. Like I'm not even including the Daniel Bryan stuff in my biggest issues, just watch how they treat Ziggler, Wyatt, and Ambrose, literally tossing them out of the ring like garbage bags. When they last uploaded that match, I unsubscribed from their YouTube and never looked back. Need to stop reminding us this thing happened, guys. Upload, like, 1990 or something.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 26, 2022 14:24:10 GMT -5
I think the funniest part about the 2015 Royal Rumble is the fact that had Roman been the one to win in 2014 (and not done the ridiculous Cena Lite gimmick changes), they could've salvaged Roman's face run way back then by having him eliminate Batista. Instead, it took them five years and a global pandemic to get Roman to place where he's getting appropriate reactions and has truly found a unique character separate from his Shield days.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 26, 2022 14:26:10 GMT -5
I always thought the Roman hate started in 2014. So THIS seems to be where it originated from if the posts here are accuarate. It was funny because he hadn’t actually been booed so the crowd hadn’t turned on him yet. If you watch the shows before the Rumble he was getting strong reactions but everyone just KNEW the boos would arrive at the Rumble and were predicting it for a month beforehand. The combination of a smarky Philly crowd and Bryan being the obvious crowd favorite made it a guarantee Roman would be booed out the building that night. We all know the non-kayfabe reason why fans were pissed but they did a terrible of choice of making it make sense in kayfabe. Bryan came out the next week acting like he had been screwed over and demanded Roman put his title shot on the line against him and I’m like huh, you got eliminated and Roman won fair and square.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 14:28:56 GMT -5
I think the funniest part about the 2015 Royal Rumble is the fact that had Roman been the one to win in 2014 (and not done the ridiculous Cena Lite gimmick changes), they could've salvaged Roman's face run way back then by having him eliminate Batista. Instead, it took them five years and a global pandemic to get Roman to place where he's getting appropriate reactions and has truly found a unique character separate from his Shield days. Like, if it were me, Roman would have won, Batista would have won the shot from him at Elimination Chamber due to Authority shenanigans both setting up Bryan being in the match AND the Shield squash of the Outlaws and Kane, wrapping those two angles in a bow and giving Roman more motivation going into the breakup and the fallout since, well, this wouldn't have happened if they didn't screw him over.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Jan 26, 2022 14:29:06 GMT -5
some bad language in the subtitles
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 14:30:15 GMT -5
OK, since it’s come up a couple of times now, let’s say Reigns wins the 2014 Rumble… What do we think actually happens at that point? Gotta remember, people may have been chanting for him not so much for being Reigns but for being “not Batista”.
For all intents and purposes, Orton v Reigns is your WrestleMania 30 world title match (so if you thought he wasn’t ready for it in 2015, a whole year earlier doesn’t help), Bryan’s still on the outside looking in, Punk probably still leaves since his situation doesn’t change, and now you’re gonna have people getting antsy about where this leaves Rollins and Ambrose. I think this still ends up a mess.
EDIT: Posted this before eJm’s booking of it
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 14:32:12 GMT -5
OK, since it’s come up a couple of times now, let’s say Reigns wins the 2014 Rumble… What do we think actually happens at that point? Gotta remember, people may have been chanting for him not so much for being Reigns but for being “not Batista”. For all intents and purposes, Orton v Reigns is your WrestleMania 30 world title match (so if you thought he wasn’t ready for it in 2015, a whole year earlier doesn’t help), Bryan’s still on the outside looking in, Punk probably still leaves since his situation doesn’t change, and now you’re gonna have people getting antsy about where this leaves Rollins and Ambrose. I think this still ends up a mess. Like I said, Batista wins the shot back because of Authority screwjob and you still go with what happened and you basically have the Shield face turn come earlier because they'd have chosen their side. And sure, it takes away Shield/Wyatts but also the feud didn't really go anywhere anyway except a main event on...well, Main Event.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 26, 2022 14:33:35 GMT -5
I think the funniest part about the 2015 Royal Rumble is the fact that had Roman been the one to win in 2014 (and not done the ridiculous Cena Lite gimmick changes), they could've salvaged Roman's face run way back then by having him eliminate Batista. Instead, it took them five years and a global pandemic to get Roman to place where he's getting appropriate reactions and has truly found a unique character separate from his Shield days. Like, if it were me, Roman would have won, Batista would have won the shot from him at Elimination Chamber due to Authority shenanigans both setting up Bryan being in the match AND the Shield squash of the Outlaws and Kane, wrapping those two angles in a bow and giving Roman more motivation going into the breakup and the fallout since, well, this wouldn't have happened if they didn't screw him over. It also leaves plenty of room for Bryan to still have his double matches at WrestleMania and have his moment.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 26, 2022 14:36:44 GMT -5
Funny enough, the WWE took it upon themselves to upload the misery of this very match just yesterday. Just watch the last 10 minutes of this nightmare and see just how the 'Local Men' truly ruined everything about the match that night. Like I'm not even including the Daniel Bryan stuff in my biggest issues, just watch how they treat Ziggler, Wyatt, and Ambrose, literally tossing them out of the ring like garbage bags. When they last uploaded that match, I unsubscribed from their YouTube and never looked back. Need to stop reminding us this thing happened, guys. Upload, like, 1990 or something. So crowd sweetening or not? And in before someone beats me to "Rock coming this Mania to challenge Roman CONFIRMED!"
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Post by john84 on Jan 26, 2022 14:40:01 GMT -5
some bad language in the subtitles Man that dude has an annoying laugh.
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