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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jan 26, 2022 12:18:46 GMT -5
Judging by the live crowd, is it safe to say people here were not thrilled with the match too?
Was it because of Big Show and Kane dumping out all those guys at the end together?
What was the reaction like on the board here for that match?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 26, 2022 12:21:59 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan was making his comeback after a serious injury, was WWE Champion before he left, and got dumped out in 10 minutes like a nobody.
All so he wouldn't interfere with the unstoppable Roman Reigns push.
IMO it's the most cynical, "f*** what the fans want" booking decision I've ever seen from WWE. And that is a huge claim.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 26, 2022 12:22:09 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan being unceremoniously dumped out in his big return didn't help.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 26, 2022 12:28:19 GMT -5
-Daniel Bryan was getting mega-over and people wanted him. And he was dumped out unceremoniously partway through the match.
-Thet retired to depict Kane and Big Show as “monster heels” in freaking 2015. And they started dumping every other audience favorite out like garbage. Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt, Dolph Ziggler, etc were all quite popular. And they were all tossed out like nothing.
-Then Roman Reigns came out. And WWE was desperately trying to cram Roman down people’s throats as the top babyface in the company. And fans made it clear they did NOT want that.
-Once he came out, people figured out WWE’s game. They had Kane and Show dump out all the other fan favorites so that Roman could be the “conquering hero” vanquishing the “monsters.” Basically they wanted to force the fans to cheer Roman as the only face left in the match. And if anything, it made people turn on him and the match every more.
Basically for many people it was a blatant example of WWE’s arrogance and stubbornness and not caring what the fans actually wanted and trying to FORCE their “chosen one” on people no matter what.
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Post by theironyuppie on Jan 26, 2022 12:29:50 GMT -5
-Daniel Bryan was getting mega-over and people wanted him. And he was dumped out unceremoniously partway through the match. -Thet retired to depict Kane and Big Show as “monster heels” in freaking 2015. And they started dumping every other audience favorite out like garbage. Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt, Dolph Ziggler, etc were all quite popular. And they were all tossed out like nothing. -Then Roman Reigns came out. And WWE was desperately trying to cram Roman down people’s throats as the top babyface in the company. And fans made it clear they did NOT want that. -Once he came out, people figured out WWE’s game. They had Kane and Show dump out all the other fan favorites so that Roman could be the “conquering hero” vanquishing the “monsters.” Basically they wanted to force the fans to cheer Roman as the only face left in the match. And if anything, it made people turn on him and the match every more. Basically for many people it was a blatant example of WWE’s arrogance and stubbornness and not caring what the fans actually wanted and trying to FORCE their “chosen one” on people no matter what.
But the thing is that they didn't even present Roman as the 'conquering hero'. Rather they just had Big Show and Kane start arguing for some reason and Roman tipping them out from behind. It was a bizarre choice.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 26, 2022 12:30:12 GMT -5
People were pretty sure going in that it was going to be Roman The Conquering Hero. And they didn't like that. And it was that.
WWE tried to manufacture meta heat by having Kane and Big Show eliminate anyone else that could have gotten a face pop. But, well, it backfired, because it was obviously meant to make Roman the only possible winner, because nobody actually believed that Kane or Big Show would win. (Major issue with meta heat, that.)
On top of that, Kane and Show were at the point where them dominating the match made it a boring, low-impact slog. So it's not even like the work was exciting or anything for people to get hyped about - there was nothing left to enjoy about the journey, there was only the obvious destination.
And Roman The Conquering Hero was even worse because it wasn't just for the night, it wasn't just for Wrestlemania season, it was fans bracing against the inevitable next decade of forced Roman push, because we'd all seen how Cena's run on top played out and could see how Roman's push would fall into the same patterns.
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Post by asuka007 on Jan 26, 2022 12:32:59 GMT -5
-Daniel Bryan was getting mega-over and people wanted him. And he was dumped out unceremoniously partway through the match. -Thet retired to depict Kane and Big Show as “monster heels” in freaking 2015. And they started dumping every other audience favorite out like garbage. Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt, Dolph Ziggler, etc were all quite popular. And they were all tossed out like nothing. -Then Roman Reigns came out. And WWE was desperately trying to cram Roman down people’s throats as the top babyface in the company. And fans made it clear they did NOT want that. -Once he came out, people figured out WWE’s game. They had Kane and Show dump out all the other fan favorites so that Roman could be the “conquering hero” vanquishing the “monsters.” Basically they wanted to force the fans to cheer Roman as the only face left in the match. And if anything, it made people turn on him and the match every more. Basically for many people it was a blatant example of WWE’s arrogance and stubbornness and not caring what the fans actually wanted and trying to FORCE their “chosen one” on people no matter what.
But the thing is that they didn't even present Roman as the 'conquering hero'. Rather they just had Big Show and Kane start arguing for some reason and Roman tipping them out from behind. It was a bizarre choice.
Agreed. They could not even book THAT right either. It was so bad that “anti-American heel” Rusev was getting cheered over Roman in freaking Philadelphia.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Jan 26, 2022 12:40:24 GMT -5
If you want to know the reaction here, there was a thread called WWE made me destroy my room.
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Post by chrom on Jan 26, 2022 12:40:28 GMT -5
It was a night where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong
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Post by Abadebe on Jan 26, 2022 12:49:35 GMT -5
Was this the genesis of the Local Men meme for Kane and Big Show?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 12:50:28 GMT -5
It was a cataclysmic superstorm of shit. A combination of many things that served to help nobody involved in it.
1. Daniel Bryan. You have the context of him returning from a neck injury that had cut his hard-earned world title run short six months earlier, as well as the context from him not being in the Rumble the previous year and all the outrage THAT caused, it seemed set up for him to right that wrong and get a new shot at the gold he never got beaten for. Sure, it’d be against Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 31, but that was just par for the course for Bryan. Nothing ever coming easy.
And then he has a rather unremarkable run in the match (I think he only eliminates one or two guys?) and gets eliminated in the middle of it. That’s it, door shut, crowd now MORE pissed and for longer. Which leads us to…
2. Roman Reigns. There had been grumblings about his singles push once The Shield had got broken up, but the month leading into the Rumble for Reigns, I’ve said this before, may have been some of the most damaging booking I’ve ever seen put on a talent, and this was a guy they were giving the rocket to. This is where they showed their hand that they were going to basically make him new Cena. Silly one-liners at the heels and such. This is where you had both the “Sufferin’ Succotash” promo and the “Bedtime Story” promo. SAME MONTH. Dude was looking in big trouble heading in. With Bryan gone, presumably eliminated before his entrance so they didn’t get the answer they didn’t want to hear to a question they didn’t want to ask, he was doomed the second he walked out there. Utterly doomed.
The damage done to Reigns around this time followed him for years, only really letting off when fans decided they weren’t gonna be such assholes to keep it up when the man just said he has leukaemia AGAIN (didn’t even know he’d had it once, like). All that said…
3. Bryan or no Bryan, Reigns or no Reigns, this may have been the worst booked Rumble match of all-time. Even with Bryan out, you still had a handful of main event/upper midcard babyfaces to rally behind. Guys like Dean Ambrose, Dolph Ziggler, Ryback was getting a bit of momentum back, even Damien Sandow at the peak of his Mizdow run… And it just leads to one of the most dirge-like sequences in a match in wrestling history, where you have the giant heels Big Show and Kane, isolate guys one by one and chuck them out, presumably so that the big hero remaining will get the big pop for chucking them out… Oh, wait, it’s Reigns, that guy you hate. Hang on, he got laid out too, are Big Show or Kane gonna actually win this thing? Oh, for f***s sake they’re fighting each other, and here comes Reigns in 3… 2… 1… Gone… Wait, he hasn’t won it? WAIT, WHAT, THE ROCK IS HERE NOW TOO? Oh right, Rusev is still in this, wait, never mind… And now they’re actually booing The goddamn Rock. *slow clap*
If it reads messy, it’s because it was. That finishing stretch wouldn’t have helped ANYONE get over. Not Reigns, not Bryan, not Big Show or Kane, not nobody. Literally booked worse than the one Rumble where there were times that nobody was actually in the ring for it.
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Post by chrom on Jan 26, 2022 12:54:55 GMT -5
It barely beats out the one the year before as the worst rumble
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 12:55:54 GMT -5
It barely beats out the one the year before as the worst rumble I’ll maintain that 2014 was actually a pretty solid Rumble before it hits #30 and the penny drops.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 26, 2022 12:57:33 GMT -5
Was this the genesis of the Local Men meme for Kane and Big Show? It had been kind of bubbling underneath for a while before that, mostly with Kane on his own because he was just a professional runner of interference around this time, but this put the spotlight right on it.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jan 26, 2022 13:01:29 GMT -5
2015 VINCE: I see you saying "Yes!" "Yes!" "Yes!," but all I hear is "Ro!" "Ro!" "Ro-man!"
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jan 26, 2022 13:04:30 GMT -5
The funny thing about the 2015 rumble is that i think if Roman had won the 2014 rumble eliminating Batista, he would've got a huge pop and the crowd would've been behind him. What a difference a year makes.
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Post by eJm on Jan 26, 2022 13:06:38 GMT -5
It barely beats out the one the year before as the worst rumble I’ll maintain that 2014 was actually a pretty solid Rumble before it hits #30 and the penny drops. Agreed, 2014 was fun as heck, just had the wrong winner. 2015 is the chapter after 1999 in the book called "How not to book a Rumble match".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 13:07:19 GMT -5
Normally, WWE comes across as ignorant and/or clueless when it comes to booking what the fans want. So, the booking is frustrating, but it doesn't necessarily feel like the company is taking active steps to spite its fans and present a product that people don't want.
This truly felt like the WWE willfully and deliberately giving the fans the proverbial middle finger, and I think that's the main reason the backlash was as severe as it was. WWE's booking was saying f*** you to the fans, and the fans were saying f*** you right back, in real time.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Jan 26, 2022 13:07:33 GMT -5
The funny thing about the 2015 rumble is that i think if Roman had won the 2014 rumble eliminating Batista, he would've got a huge pop and the crowd would've been behind him. What a difference a year makes. That's what gave them the confidence to go ahead with the 2015 booking, I think. They tried to reverse-engineer the circumstances that made the prospect of a Roman victory pop the crowd in 2014, and it failed hard because everyone could see what they were doing.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 26, 2022 13:25:18 GMT -5
The stank from the 2014 Rumble was magnified by the stank of the 2015 one.
I think the echoes from the boos from Rey coming out at 30 where still in the air when the 2015 Rumble started.
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