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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 3, 2022 19:17:07 GMT -5
I don't really have much of a limit these days, having descended down the rabbit hole of deathmatch wrestling with the rise of GCW, and feds like them and ICW:NHB having socially distanced live fans when they came back in Summer of 2020 made them the most watchable wrestling products by default for a time.
That said, I don't really like the kitchen knife boards you see on a lot of ICW's shows, but not for the reason a lay person would expect. You can tell they are bumping on the dull side of the knife most of time, and sometimes you might see a wrestler grab a loose knife and lightly jab them in their forehead, but they can't be very convincing for obvious reasons. Why do that when there are so many other objects that are more convincing and look more dangerous than they actually are?
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 3, 2022 19:21:36 GMT -5
It is interesting how Barbed Wire-style matches can be a no-go for some people here, as in theory it's less extreme then say nail boards or weedwhackers, but it can really get damn violent on just the barbed wire alone. Barbed wire going near the eyes and mouth does creep me out, but otherwise, it doesn't frighten me too much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 20:09:38 GMT -5
Anything you wouldn't see Mick Foley or Terry Funk attempting is outside of my interest.
It takes you from "this match has me on the edge of my seat" straight to "these guys are mentally ill and I feel guilty for watching this and potentially encouraging it."
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Post by Edge of Insanity on Feb 3, 2022 20:44:33 GMT -5
Honestly can't stand the hardcore/deathwatch style. But everything isn't for everybody, and I can easily avoid the places like gcw that do it all the time, and can fast forward through it when it's on aew.
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Post by saneiac on Feb 3, 2022 22:34:28 GMT -5
My local indy fed LOVES to do "wrestler borrows a dollar bill from an audience member, then uses a staple gun to attach it to opponent's back/chest/head." I'm sure it isn't just a local thing, and I've never been a fan of it.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on Feb 3, 2022 22:45:01 GMT -5
I’m not particularly a fan of hardcore stuff, but I try to kind of judge it on the artistic & storytelling merits. I sort of enjoyed the Jericho/Gage match for what it was, because of its artistry and the historic nature of it, though I don’t want to watch matches like that every week. And I agree with Cyno ’s take on the pizza cutter spot. For me, I’m probably less tolerant of violence merely for the sake of violence or if it’s a completely nonsensical weapon. I know this is quaint by modern hardcore wrestling standards, but I didn’t like the barbed wire streamers in ECW, partly because I frankly found them to be ridiculous. And FTR, there’s never a good storyline reason IMO for stuff like scissors, razor blade boards, needles, or maiming by bolt cutter. (There may be ostensibly a storyline reason for it, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good storyline reason.) I was at that Jericho/Gage match in North Carolina. It wasn't horrible in person but that glass spot was a "OH MY GOSH" moment
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 3, 2022 23:10:01 GMT -5
When it exists.
I don't even consider it to be wrestling.
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Post by tafkaga on Feb 4, 2022 9:43:00 GMT -5
This thread creeps me the f*** out.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 4, 2022 10:19:43 GMT -5
I love all of it. I used to be a regular on the deathmatch scene. I've fist bumped with dudes bleeding profusely. I do get miffed when folks make fun of deathmatch fans or try to trash on DM wrestling (tennis racket man). Theres an art to it when guys who know what they're doing
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Post by petef3 on Feb 4, 2022 10:52:21 GMT -5
When a match is so overflowing with weapons that none of them have any meaning. I call it Itchy & Scratchy Wrestling, or Tom & Jerry Wrestling, because the consequences for being set on fire and thrown off a balcony are about the same for the wrestler involved as they are for Scratchy or Tom. At that point, to me, deathmatch wrestling becomes the worst thing it can possibly ever strive to be, which is BORING.
And yeah, I have no time for sickles, knives, needles, even staplers. I can at least buy a big weapon shot as an attempt to win a wrestling match, and I get that "he doesn't care about the win, he just wants to punish him" is a staple of wrestling psychology going back decades, but that s*** crosses the line from trying to win a match to pure sadism.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 4, 2022 11:29:34 GMT -5
My limit is less of what is used to be. I don't really like a lot of hardcore wrestling, because I don't esthetically find it very interesting. but I do miss blading. An old school 70s or 80s cage match where everyone has a crimson mask, but it's mainly just a wrestling match its about all I need. Magnum TA stabbing Tully with a piece of a broken chair until he quits is about as violent as I want to see.
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Post by jps64 on Feb 4, 2022 13:15:33 GMT -5
First Sheikh v Abby match (mid 70's)that I ever saw was enough. Some minor arena in the GTA. 5 minutes of insanity. Nightmares for weeks.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 4, 2022 14:16:55 GMT -5
Whenever light tubes appear I just peace the F out.
Nothing good has ever happened when light tubes start breaking.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 4, 2022 14:37:14 GMT -5
Most of it doesn't bother me, I'm just not really entertained by it.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Feb 5, 2022 18:07:58 GMT -5
Anything with that prick New Jack.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 5, 2022 18:15:07 GMT -5
For me it's about the story being told. Like the Nick Gage/Jericho match wouldn't usually be my kind of thing, but the storyline of MJF softening up Jericho and whatnot peeked my interest when it usually wouldn't have been. Blood for blood sake is uninteresting to me, it's the story the matters to me.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 5, 2022 21:31:13 GMT -5
Anything that can cause serious harm. Hardcore wrestling is still supposed to be something of a sport. Blunt objects within reason, thumbtacks, tables, even fire when used sparingly are ok. Glass and blades are a big no. This is pretty much where I sit. I'm still haunted by a shot they were showing on GCW's WRLD show where they were doing a montage and it briefly showed some guy pull something OUT OF HIS NECK and then have the most frightened "oh shit!" face as he started bleeding. I can't bring myself to watch Gage/Cardona or even Gage/Arquette. I'm too much of a weakling. When Angel Garza shoved that rose betwixt his fallen opponent's buttocks it really crossed a deep-seated psychological line. Glass, barbed wire, in-ring explosions and cheese-graters - fine. But don't interfere with a man's butt. Oh...okay.... *puts the rose back in his pocket and calls an Uber home*
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Post by thehottag on Feb 6, 2022 3:58:21 GMT -5
I hate it when they use glass, especially light tubes.
I have permanent scars on my hands from a broken drinking glass that was in a washing up bowl (it was covered up by the suds when I put my hands in). I wince at the thought what damage this stuff could do.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 6, 2022 9:18:28 GMT -5
I hate it when they use glass, especially light tubes. I have permanent scars on my hands from a broken drinking glass that was in a washing up bowl (it was covered up by the suds when I put my hands in). I wince at the thought what damage this stuff could do. On a smaller scale, but similar, I have a scar on my thumb (right on the first knuckle part) from jamming a bunch of newspaper clippings into a small waste bin (I was working on a collage for school) and no one told me there there was a broken light bulb in the bin. Sliced my right thumb up something fierce. Had to go outside and put my hand in the snow because it wouldn't stop bleeding. I have pictures of it all somewhere.
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Post by Aceorton on Feb 6, 2022 12:29:10 GMT -5
I can probably count on one hand the number of matches I've seen in the last 35 years where I felt blood truly enhanced the story (even a lot of the Flair, Dusty and Hogan bleeding seems unnecessary to me), so you can imagine how I feel about much of the deathmatch stuff.
Non-bloody impact/smash spots with tables, chairs, garbage cans, stop signs, etc., I can get behind more if it's two guys in a feud who hate each other, or if the props are part of the gimmick, e.g. the Dudleys and their table spots. But when guys with no history are trotting that stuff out just for the hell of it with no real storyline purpose, then it's just watering the whole concept down.
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