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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 17, 2022 4:50:47 GMT -5
his was a gimmick that worked amazingly in NXT that was never going to work on the Main Roster cause Vince wasn't going to use him as anything but fodder. In NXT he was the fun loving conga guy most of the time but could be serious and get it done in the ring... he even had a pretty big brawl with Austin Aries where he dropped all of the party stuff... but that's not what Vince wants on the main roster... he's not allowed to not be the party guy even in blood feuds cause that's what his entrance is pal... and you gotta have the same entrance every time... and you have to do the same moves... regardless if it makes sense too or not... cuase those are your spots... It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. It becomes especially egregious when people's "spots" have specific setups... like how suddenly people kept punching Dean Ambrose so he'd stumble back into the ropes or... Roman would put the guy in position and then run around the ring to do the jumping dropkick... (even though that started as a tag move because it makes way more sense in a tag team setting than in a solo setting), and of course the 619 after like everyone else stopped using the middle rope for anything else. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 17, 2022 5:07:13 GMT -5
It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. It becomes especially egregious when people's "spots" have specific setups... like how suddenly people kept punching Dean Ambrose so he'd stumble back into the ropes or... Roman would put the guy in position and then run around the ring to do the jumping dropkick... (even though that started as a tag move because it makes way more sense in a tag team setting than in a solo setting), and of course the 619 after like everyone else stopped using the middle rope for anything else. It all just came off as mechanical. Like, there are spots in matches in the past but you could tell the difference between most Hogan matches depending on the opponent or any Rock/Austin match, the problem is the need to have those spots in every match at all times. |
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Post by msc on Feb 17, 2022 5:20:48 GMT -5
It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. It becomes especially egregious when people's "spots" have specific setups... like how suddenly people kept punching Dean Ambrose so he'd stumble back into the ropes or... Roman would put the guy in position and then run around the ring to do the jumping dropkick... (even though that started as a tag move because it makes way more sense in a tag team setting than in a solo setting), and of course the 619 after like everyone else stopped using the middle rope for anything else.This reminds me of one of my favourite retired moves. Bossman's bit where the guy was hanging on the middle rope and he'd run at them, slide under the bottom rope and punch them in the face. I always popped for that one because its such a sneaky heel move. I also love the Hennig Neck Snap, which people have brought back (John Cena used to use it actually, and I cheered every time). Just cool basic moves that set people apart. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 17, 2022 7:18:05 GMT -5
Drew is probably going to have to settle for a 4-5 minute match at 'mania going over Corbin and Moss due to having to rehab his neck injury. Which is a shame because after being one of the MVPs of the closed arena era (along with Lashley and MVP), dude deserves a big moment. Last year the pointless breakup of The Hurt Business took quite a bit of shine off the clash between Lashley and Drew.
I hope Drew does get his 'mania moment in LA next year.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 17, 2022 7:24:43 GMT -5
Drew is an example that you can rehab anyone's credibility and make them a big deal if you just keep it simple and commit to it
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 17, 2022 7:44:26 GMT -5
Drew is an example that you can rehab anyone's credibility and make them a big deal if you just keep it simple and commit to it Drew is one of those occasions where the look is the key. When he first left the company he was tall and lean, which just made him look skinny, especially when in the ring with the likes of Lesnar. Had he come back looking like that it would have been a harder sell, even if everything else about his current direction stayed the same. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 17, 2022 17:22:42 GMT -5
his was a gimmick that worked amazingly in NXT that was never going to work on the Main Roster cause Vince wasn't going to use him as anything but fodder. In NXT he was the fun loving conga guy most of the time but could be serious and get it done in the ring... he even had a pretty big brawl with Austin Aries where he dropped all of the party stuff... but that's not what Vince wants on the main roster... he's not allowed to not be the party guy even in blood feuds cause that's what his entrance is pal... and you gotta have the same entrance every time... and you have to do the same moves... regardless if it makes sense too or not... cuase those are your spots... It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. I can't recall someone who became a nothing on the main roster as quickly No Way Jose. I mean there's been tons of guys who don't accomplish much on the main roster and fall into jobber roles that they never really get out of, but at least they usually get a decent push for a month or two before they fall into that (Bo Dallas, Tyler Breeze, Adam Rose etc.). No Way Jose didn't even get that. I think he beat Corbin on a distraction roll up finish his first night, then ate the pin to Corbin in a six man the next week, and then I don't think he won another match again. On top of that not only was he losing but he was losing bad in that he was pretty much always squashed. Like they really did not like him for some reason. Which is weird because he had some things going for him in that he had good size, seemed alright in the ring, and at that point was in his late 20's. I don't think he should've been a top guy or anything but I think he could've at least been a solid midcard player if used right. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 17:44:38 GMT -5
It was a natural progression which is dope. Drew started to get more cheers prior to that and the company saw it and turned him. Sure, they planned on him turning like a year before but it wasn't as organic as it was then. Then you factor in the countdown thing which was simplistic and hype, count in him being dope, count in his natural charisma and boom, you got a big babyface star. Drew was that dude.
He's interestingly enough similar to Sasha Banks. When I say that I mean that he's a babyface who's always gonna be somewhat cheered no matter where he is on the card and the fact they did that to the guy who damn near murdered Dean Ambrose of all people, a guy people loved, yeah it's dope.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 17, 2022 20:12:00 GMT -5
It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. I can't recall someone who became a nothing on the main roster as quickly No Way Jose. I mean there's been tons of guys who don't accomplish much on the main roster and fall into jobber roles that they never really get out of, but at least they usually get a decent push for a month or two before they fall into that (Bo Dallas, Tyler Breeze, Adam Rose etc.). No Way Jose didn't even get that. I think he beat Corbin on a distraction roll up finish his first night, then ate the pin to Corbin in a six man the next week, and then I don't think he won another match again. On top of that not only was he losing but he was losing bad in that he was pretty much always squashed. Like they really did not like him for some reason. Which is weird because he had some things going for him in that he had good size, seemed alright in the ring, and at that point was in his late 20's. I don't think he should've been a top guy or anything but I think he could've at least been a solid midcard player if used right. Adam Rose didn't get that either. He had a match against "The dang Foreigners" Jack Swagger... and then basically did nothing for 6 months before they started the Bunny stuff. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 17, 2022 20:15:59 GMT -5
It was a natural progression which is dope. Drew started to get more cheers prior to that and the company saw it and turned him. Sure, they planned on him turning like a year before but it wasn't as organic as it was then. Then you factor in the countdown thing which was simplistic and hype, count in him being dope, count in his natural charisma and boom, you got a big babyface star. Drew was that dude. He's interestingly enough similar to Sasha Banks. When I say that I mean that he's a babyface who's always gonna be somewhat cheered no matter where he is on the card and the fact they did that to the guy who damn near murdered Dean Ambrose of all people, a guy people hated, yeah it's dope. and some of the stuff like in the No Way Jose little character bits like "DIDN'T EVEN DROP THE MICROPHONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH!" after the kip up just came off with just this cool confidence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 20:41:36 GMT -5
It was a natural progression which is dope. Drew started to get more cheers prior to that and the company saw it and turned him. Sure, they planned on him turning like a year before but it wasn't as organic as it was then. Then you factor in the countdown thing which was simplistic and hype, count in him being dope, count in his natural charisma and boom, you got a big babyface star. Drew was that dude. He's interestingly enough similar to Sasha Banks. When I say that I mean that he's a babyface who's always gonna be somewhat cheered no matter where he is on the card and the fact they did that to the guy who damn near murdered Dean Ambrose of all people, a guy people hated, yeah it's dope. and some of the stuff like in the No Way Jose little character bits like "DIDN'T EVEN DROP THE MICROPHONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH!" after the kip up just came off with just this cool confidence. Yeah he really became who he was destined to be. |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 17, 2022 21:48:23 GMT -5
It's still crazy we're bringing this up now because, even for the barely a glimmer it lasted, it was showing that a character like that can have some kind of depth when the situation called for it, even the squash match he had the week after the Aries beating was so visually different. Dude was wrecking that jobber. But like you said, in the main roster, you have a slot. Fit that slot at all times or else. Until you're suddenly expected to not fit that slot without much prep. I can't recall someone who became a nothing on the main roster as quickly No Way Jose. I mean there's been tons of guys who don't accomplish much on the main roster and fall into jobber roles that they never really get out of, but at least they usually get a decent push for a month or two before they fall into that (Bo Dallas, Tyler Breeze, Adam Rose etc.). No Way Jose didn't even get that. I think he beat Corbin on a distraction roll up finish his first night, then ate the pin to Corbin in a six man the next week, and then I don't think he won another match again. On top of that not only was he losing but he was losing bad in that he was pretty much always squashed. Like they really did not like him for some reason. Which is weird because he had some things going for him in that he had good size, seemed alright in the ring, and at that point was in his late 20's. I don't think he should've been a top guy or anything but I think he could've at least been a solid midcard player if used right. I've got No Way Jose's main roster win/loss record as 16-39-0, with only three of those wins happening outside of Main Event. In comparison, his NXT run was a modest 11-13-1. Adam Rose didn't get that either. He had a match against "The dang Foreigners" Jack Swagger... and then basically did nothing for 6 months before they started the Bunny stuff. Adam Rose won his first 16 televised matches on the main roster, which, combined with his initial NXT push in the gimmick both before and after his call-up, led to what is still one of the longest winning streaks of the last 17 years (25 straight wins). Only Ryback, Brodus Clay, Cedric Alexander, Asuka, Mansoor and Sheamus have had longer winning streaks in the same timeframe. In comparison, Roman Reigns's best winning streak is 18, Charlotte Flair's is 10. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 18, 2022 2:42:02 GMT -5
I can't recall someone who became a nothing on the main roster as quickly No Way Jose. I mean there's been tons of guys who don't accomplish much on the main roster and fall into jobber roles that they never really get out of, but at least they usually get a decent push for a month or two before they fall into that (Bo Dallas, Tyler Breeze, Adam Rose etc.). No Way Jose didn't even get that. I think he beat Corbin on a distraction roll up finish his first night, then ate the pin to Corbin in a six man the next week, and then I don't think he won another match again. On top of that not only was he losing but he was losing bad in that he was pretty much always squashed. Like they really did not like him for some reason. Which is weird because he had some things going for him in that he had good size, seemed alright in the ring, and at that point was in his late 20's. I don't think he should've been a top guy or anything but I think he could've at least been a solid midcard player if used right. I've got No Way Jose's main roster win/loss record as 16-39-0, with only three of those wins happening outside of Main Event. In comparison, his NXT run was a modest 11-13-1. Adam Rose didn't get that either. He had a match against "The dang Foreigners" Jack Swagger... and then basically did nothing for 6 months before they started the Bunny stuff. Adam Rose won his first 16 televised matches on the main roster, which, combined with his initial NXT push in the gimmick both before and after his call-up, led to what is still one of the longest winning streaks of the last 17 years (25 straight wins). Only Ryback, Brodus Clay, Cedric Alexander, Asuka, Mansoor and Sheamus have had longer winning streaks in the same timeframe. In comparison, Roman Reigns's best winning streak is 18, Charlotte Flair's is 10. Just wondering how far apart were these matches and were they mostly on one of the c shows no one watches? From the aspect of actually doing something rather than just wrestling... I remember he was just kinda there save for the opening Swagger match... and maybe doing promotions for stuff? |
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Feb 18, 2022 2:54:10 GMT -5
I've got No Way Jose's main roster win/loss record as 16-39-0, with only three of those wins happening outside of Main Event. In comparison, his NXT run was a modest 11-13-1. Adam Rose won his first 16 televised matches on the main roster, which, combined with his initial NXT push in the gimmick both before and after his call-up, led to what is still one of the longest winning streaks of the last 17 years (25 straight wins). Only Ryback, Brodus Clay, Cedric Alexander, Asuka, Mansoor and Sheamus have had longer winning streaks in the same timeframe. In comparison, Roman Reigns's best winning streak is 18, Charlotte Flair's is 10. Just wondering how far apart were these matches and were they mostly on one of the c shows no one watches? From the aspect of actually doing something rather than just wrestling... I remember he was just kinda there save for the opening Swagger match... and maybe doing promotions for stuff? Here's what I had, from the very first match he had in the gimmick to his first loss on the main roster. As always with anything I post from the points rankings, don't mind the numbers:  This means I actually have to make a minor correction to my earlier observation, he actually won his first 23 matches straight on the main roster, it's just that he ended his overall win streak with a loss in NXT. But yeah, you look at the quality of the opposition on the main roster. Other than Jack Swagger and MAYBE Fandango if we're being generous, he's mostly just running train on lower carders like Heath Slater and Titus O'Neil. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 18, 2022 3:20:29 GMT -5
Also important - Drew McIntyre actually managed to get the job done and didn't choke.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Feb 18, 2022 3:58:37 GMT -5
Drew is an example that you can rehab anyone's credibility and make them a big deal if you just keep it simple and commit to it Drew is one of those occasions where the look is the key. When he first left the company he was tall and lean, which just made him look skinny, especially when in the ring with the likes of Lesnar. Had he come back looking like that it would have been a harder sell, even if everything else about his current direction stayed the same. I thought along with the extra mass that growing a beard helped as well as he has a very boyish face and it made him look much more rugged and tougher. A big reason why his rocket push in 2009-2010 didn't work along with him being green and his work not being there yet, was he didn't look the part. They were trying to push him as this very aggressive bully badass heel who was constantly destroying guys like R-Truth and Morrison and I wasn't buying it due to his baby face and while very tall also lean and lanky build like you said. When they brought him back and he had the beard and the thirty pounds of extra muscle he came off as way more menacing and believable and as a result it ended up working out much better. On top of that his work greatly improved as well. I think he might be the greatest example of someone getting released and benefitting from it as in his time away working elsewhere he greatly improved in pretty much every facet. |
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Post by eJm on Feb 18, 2022 7:23:18 GMT -5
I think he might be the greatest example of someone getting released and benefitting from it as in his time away working elsewhere he greatly improved in pretty much every facet. He and Lashley are very firm 1 and 2 in this regard, Lashley getting second because it took him a bit longer to click than Drew who could slide back into somewhere like ICW right away. |
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Post by 4real on Feb 18, 2022 7:29:53 GMT -5
It just happened yeah. And it just worked. The guy has great babyface charisma, very naturally likeable & a great look. I’m amazed it’s been almost a year since he has been a World Champion. I don’t know if injuries has played a part in him probably not getting a World title match at Mania but I’m thinking he will be in the picture after Mania. Might as well build Drew v Roman for Summerslam.
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Post by The Foreigner™: OffSZN on Feb 18, 2022 8:35:38 GMT -5
Drew explained some of how it happened behind the scenes in a Players Tribune story. www.theplayerstribune.com/articles/drew-mcintyre-wwe-summerslamPaul Heyman encouraged Drew to show off his personality before the Team Hogan vs. Team Flair match at Crown Jewel 2019. He ended up getting a chance to riff on the mic before a dark match and management liked it so much it became part of his TV character. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 9:41:14 GMT -5
The Cheeseburger from No Way Jose's conga line should come back to help Drew against Madcap Moss and Happy Corbin.
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